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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, October 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 150



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In this issue:

1997 F150 limited slip rear differential ["Tom Byrne"
Chips? [Luke Wells ]
Re: Switching tanks stalls motor and Check Engine light [Steven McCulloug]
RE: 1999 F-250 HD Tire Options [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re:Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #146 [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENN]
Re: Winches [Rendell9 aol.com]
Re:Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #146 [John Yee ]
Re: Winches [John Yee ]
4.0l Ranger Pulleys ["Mike Wiatt" ]
Re: Chips? [john.doe erols.com]
Adjustable fuel pressure regulator [Bob ]
Re: Ranger/Bronco II list [Stu Rea ]
Re: Buying a 88 F250 4x4 ["Laura Dale" ]
Re: PINGING [MD Wayment ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #146 [FOMOCONUT aol.com]

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:32:37 -0400
From: "Tom Byrne"
Subject: 1997 F150 limited slip rear differential

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I have '97 F150 , extended cab, with off-road, 4x4 and limited slip rear =
differential. Last winter while driving on ice/snow I became stuck =
going up hill with my left wheels on ice and my right on dry gravel. I =
noticed that my left rear tire just spun and spun while I actually =
rolled down the hill backwards.

I went to my dealer. They checked it out and found that all was working =
to within specs. They explained that the rear diff was designed with a =
break-away torque of 20 foot-pounds, i.e. power is supplied to both rear =
wheels until a difference of torque between the two wheels exceeds 20 =
foot-pounds then the power shifts to the wheel with the least =
resistance.

Does anyone have any more information on this? Is this really how it =
works? Can this be corrected?

Tom, tbyrnzie megalink.net


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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:37:39 -0400
From: Luke Wells
Subject: Chips?

I was wondering what brand of chip I could use that would help my 96 2.3 I-4 Ranger? I
have been to superchip online, but I have heard of other chips. What are the prices
like? Would any other chip fit in this, say a 96 Thunderbird?

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:40:09 -0500
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: Re: Switching tanks stalls motor and Check Engine light

Sounds a lot like the fuel pumps, although mine got worse...to
the point of not ever restarting. Check the fuel filter first
since they both are having problems. Could also be a bad pressure
regulator? Don't forget that some of those truck were recalled for
tank cross-filling, I found out later that they have to get to the
pumps for the recall, so if you sweet talk your dealer he might
replace the pumps in the process and only charge for the pump and
the 'extra' labor.

Anyone ever bought one of those pressure gauges that hooks up to
the schrader (sp?) valve on the fuel rail to check fuel pressure.

A word of advice on changing pumps...first be careful, second I
found it easier to remove the bed and replace both at the same time
rather than trying to drop tanks - if you have access to a forklift,
hoist or something, taking off the bed is a piece of cake.

Steve

At 07:14 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>The patient - 1993 F150 with 302 motor and dual gas tanks, 98K
>miles. Two problems - switching gas tanks stalls the motor, and
>Check Engine light.
>
>For the first 90K miles, switching gas tanks while driving always
>worked well. Then for a few thousand miles, the motor would sputter
>or hesitate while switching tanks, but then recover and keep going.
>Now switching tanks stalls the motor, and a lot of cranking is needed
>to get things going again. Is this a fuel pump problem? Switching
>from the front tank to the rear sometimes still works, but switching
>from rear to front definitely stalls the motor.
>
>The Check Engine light comes on occasionally while driving. I've tuned
>it up (plugs, dist. cap, rotor, fuel filter) and replaced the oxygen
>sensor, but no change in the light. On colder mornings, the motor
>takes several tries before starting. Any other easy to service
>emissions
>items? Curiously, the owner's manual says that the Check Engine light
>may come on briefly while switching gas tanks. That is not happening
>with this vehicle, but how are they related?
>
>Thanks! - VA Brian "married and broke, no money for the Ford dealer"
>boburg shirenet.com
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:42:19, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: 1999 F-250 HD Tire Options

Matt,

The only tire sizes are 235/85R16 (standard) and 265/75R16 (Opt.)

Josh

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:44:08, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re:Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #146

I have some TRUE info. Tell me what ya want to know, and I'll let ya
know.

Josh
KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:08:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rendell9 aol.com
Subject: Re: Winches

Couple of comments re winches - just bought one for my (new) F350

- - Mile Marker was my choice: hydraulic, rated for continuous usage (rather
than
intermittent as with Warn etc), competitive price and the people in
Pompano Beach (HQ) were friendly and helpful. However, my local Ford
service manager pointed out that ANY problem with steering hydraulics
would be extremely expensive to fix, and they would look VERY closely
at whether the winch had a hand in causing the problem. I got the message
and cravenly went to my second choice: Warn M12000.

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:12:39 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re:Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #146

At 08:44 PM 10/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have some TRUE info. Tell me what ya want to know, and I'll let ya
>know.

Josh,

A while ago, there was some information stating that the 1999 F250 HD 4x4
was switching from IFS to monobeam in the front. Do you have any information
in regards to this?

If this is true, why and what was done to preserve the softer ride
characteristics of the F250 over the F350?

Do you have any specifics on improvements to the PowerStroke beyond what
has been mentioned in this group?

- - items mentioned here recently include:
- intercooler
- waste gated turbo
- 500 ft lbs of torque, up from 425 ft lbs 2000 RPM.


thanks,

-john

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:20:23 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: Winches

At 09:08 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Couple of comments re winches - just bought one for my (new) F350
>
>- Mile Marker was my choice: hydraulic, rated for continuous usage (rather
>than
> intermittent as with Warn etc), competitive price and the people in
> Pompano Beach (HQ) were friendly and helpful. However, my local Ford
> service manager pointed out that ANY problem with steering hydraulics
> would be extremely expensive to fix, and they would look VERY closely
> at whether the winch had a hand in causing the problem. I got the message
> and cravenly went to my second choice: Warn M12000.

I was casually looking at Mile Marker, and was also concerned about additional
load on the Power Steering pump/system. Did you by any chance give Mile Marker
an opportunity to respond to the concerns raised by Ford? It might be
interesting to see what they have to say. (Despite the fact they would be
biased)

- -john

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:21:05 PDT
From: "Mike Wiatt"
Subject: 4.0l Ranger Pulleys

Hey Ranger Fans, help me try to get Unorthodox Racing make a set of
underdrive pulleys for the 4.0 Ranger. I dont know of anyone who does as
of right now. If you do send me mail or send mail to
info unorthodoxracing.com to try to get them to produce them.

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:26:03 -0400
From: john.doe erols.com
Subject: Re: Chips?

>I was wondering what brand of chip I could use that would help my 96 2.3
>I-4 Ranger? I
>have been to superchip online, but I have heard of other chips. What are
>the prices
>like? Would any other chip fit in this, say a 96 Thunderbird?

I'm somewhat partial to the new Lays Baked potato chips myself. Prior to
that, it was the Ruffles brand BBQ chip but I tended to find the BBQ
variety gave me heartburn. I haven't purchased chips through the internet
but I suppose anything is possible. BTW, I have a 93 Ranger 4.0. I assume
it would be the same for the 2.3 motor...hope this helps!



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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:34:36 -0800
From: Bob
Subject: Adjustable fuel pressure regulator

Would it benefit me to get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for my
95 F-150 4x4 5.0 ? Ive heard that they are almost a must-have for any
towing situations, is that true ? Will they add power, or just improve
the trucks low-end grunt when pulling loads ? Whats the story on these
things ?

Also, what brand chips is everyone running ? Ive heard conflicting
reports on different makers, and am looking into getting one. Is one
better than another ?

Thank you !

Bob
Anchorage, Alaska
asrmk1 uaa.alaska.edu

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:01:03 -0700
From: Stu Rea
Subject: Re: Ranger/Bronco II list

Tom L. wrote:
>
> This Ranger owner loves the idea of a new list!!
>
> Not that this list hasn't been absolutely awesome...
>
> Regards, Tom
>
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I think a Ranger list would be Great. DO IT !!!!

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:24:53 -0700
From: "Laura Dale"
Subject: Re: Buying a 88 F250 4x4

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> From: jayvanv teleport.com
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Buying a 88 F250 4x4
> Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 2:55 PM
>
>
> I have found a 1988 Ford F250 Supercab 4x4 with a 7.3 Diesel and have a
> few questions about it and also want any comments about problem areas, or
> general info from anyone who has owned one from this era. It was a
Company
> truck (Daily driver for the general manager) and has had very good care
> and has all the paperwork to back up any repairs or problems. The engine
> was replaced in 92, as the original one from the factory was missing
rings
> in 1 or 2 cylinders(!) and the new engine has about 50,000 miles on it.
> The truck has 124K on it now. The body is in good condition, with about 5
> small dents in it (on the top of the sides of the bed) The paint is in OK
> condition with a couple areas of peeled off paint. It has had recent new
> brakes, new alternator, glow plugs, rear tires, starter, stereo, and
> repaired power windows. The tie rods were replaced in 92. It has seen
very
> little 4x4 duty, mainly inclement weather or hunting trips. It is the XLT
> model and has air/tilt/cruise/power windows and locks/cloth interior. I
> have been looking for a diesel although I was looking for something newer
> with less miles. However, since I know the guy, he is willing to give me
> what appears to be a great deal on it at only $6000.
>
This is a good deal - low blue is around $4500, with retail blue being
around $8500.

> What problem areas does this truck have? I have heard reports of front
end
> problems on this era of Ford 4x4's. Is this true? What are the problems?
>
> Fuel mileage is supposed to be around 17-18 empty, and 12 loaded. Does
> this sound about right?
>
Yes - this is actually very accurate. We have been very surprised about
the
fuel mileage being so good for such a big truck. Ours is not a
crew/extended cab, but
it has performed well in this area.

> The truck has a been in the shop for a new alternator, regulator and
> checking up on charging problems. All of this area has been replaced and
> supposedly as long as you plug in the block heaer on cold nites it starts

> easily. Should I be concerned about this?

We had ours replaced, also, but these have not been big areas of concern.
Even though
we live in Southern California, we live at a higher altitude and get some
snow, but we
haven't had problems here.
Watch out for the rear seals. We had to keep having it replaced - it
appears that the
factory axle was faulty - the bar wore a wider hole in the rear seals and
we had to have
it fixed completely at least seven times since we bought the truck new in
1989.

We are now experiencing a starting problem - we aren't sure yet what it is.
We've
done just about everything short of a voodoo ritual.
The paint can be redone by Ford for free if you push it. They had an
unofficial recall of the
paint. You have to submit the truck for a "tape" test. Ours failed (as I
knew it would since
it was flaking off everywhere). If you fail the test, you get a complete
paint job for free. So,
don't let them get away with telling you that it's not possible. Tell the
dealer that you know
for a fact that many Ford trucks/SUV's from this era suffered from faulty
paint and that you know they can make it right...

Otherwise, we really have enjoyed the truck. My husband loves the diesel.
As a matter
of fact, next to me, the truck is number one. You are right to be
concerned about the
truck merely because of its age and the fact that you start looking at a
lot of repairs that can
cost a lot in labor. If I have time, I'll pull the file and see what else
we have had done on it and
why.

Laura

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:45:20 -0700
From: MD Wayment
Subject: Re: PINGING

WOW, before I did all those suggestions Steve, which are quite numerous and
time consuming, I'd first put the original air filter back in and get the
engine back to a known good condition first. If it stops pinging then probably
the K&N setup. If not then it wasn't the K&N addition. A little logic goes
far. Start back at first base first!

Stephen M. Brown wrote:

> Ok, bud, here's some things to try (just went through hell to find some
> pinging in my Bronco!):
>
> The filter *should* not cause pinging in and of itself. It should give you
> a bit more power (not a lot) and a bit better mileage (if you keep your
> foot off the floor).
>
> FIRST & FOREMOST, insure that it is pinging by adding a bottle of octane
> booster. STP & 104+ are two brands that have a good reputation. If the
> pinging under acceleration stops, then we can analyze further. If it
> continues, then it may not be pinging (detonation). Anything loose along
> your exhaust & possibly your transmission can sound like a ping.
>
> Check your plugs & plug wires. Run truck in the dark (closed garage) with
> hood open to check for arcing on wires. Don't run too long in the garage
> or you'll get carbon monoxide poisoning! You'll see it quickly if it's
> there (remember to unplug the hood light).
>
> Your plugs will have a red dust on them if you used 104+ (not sure about
> STP) that looks like rust. Ignore that. Find a HAYNES manual & look on
> the back cover for color pictures of spark plug readings. Obviously,
> replace em if they are old. If they are new, you can try one heat range
> cooler (ask at the parts counter at your local auto parts store). Most
> guys I know don't believe in using platinum plugs of any sort. They prefer
> copper core (cheaper!) & just replace them more often (Autolite copper core
> are about $.80 each!). Their reasoning is that copper is a much better
> conductor, it just doesn't last as long as platinum.
>
> Check your timing (or have it checked). It is possible that the timing has
> advanced over the years & needs to be set again.
>
> Vacuum leaks can cause pinging by affecting vacuum advance. Put a piece of
> rubber hose to one ear & run the other end along vacuum hoses & connections
> while the truck is idling. If you hear hissing, you have a leak.
>
> Your K&N (if purchased new) should've been pre-oiled from the factory. If
> you added oil on top of that, that's no good. Wash it & re oil per
> instructions.
>
> It's possible that you just noticed the pinging because you were testing
> out the K&N by stepping on it more than usual, but it may have been there
> for a while. Pinging is *usually* associated with gasoline burning too
> quickly because of hot spots in the cylinder (detonation). Higher octane
> gas burns slower, so it can prevent the detonation. Try all of the above,
> then take it to a mechanic if you can't find a problem.
>
> 180,000 miles is quite a bit if you pushed it hard & it hasn't been
> rebuilt. Often ignition system replacement is necessary for your forays
> into throttle stomping. (MSD, ACCEL, JACOBS, etc all make good replacement
> systems that can be less than $200). Don't spend any money though, until
> you're sure you need it.
>
> good luck (and yes, my "pinging" turned out to be a loose heat shield on my
> exhaust!)
> steve
>
> > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: "John W. McCleney Jr."
> > Subject: Pinging
> >
> > Good morning to all,
> > On my 1991 f-150 with 5.0 aod 4x2 with 180,000 I just recently
> > installed a k+n air filter.
> > My first question, is this supposed to help my power or gas mileage,
> > or both.
> > 2nd. Right after the installation I noticed a pinging under power. I'm
> > sure adding this filter wouldn't cause it to ping, right? It seems
> > funny that I didn't notice the pinging before. Any ideas???
> > thanks
> > John McCleney Jr
>
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