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fordtrucks80up-digest Thursday, October 2 1997 Volume 01 : Number 142



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In this issue:

Re: When do 98 (or 99??) new design F250/350 crew cabs hit the streets? []
'99 F-250 & 350 [Scott MacButch ]
Re: When do 98 (or 99??) new design F250/350 crew cabs hit the streets? []
1999 F250/F350 prototype photos from a list member [Ken Payne
1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops! [Ken Payne ]
Re: Winches [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Winches [John Yee ]
exh. manifold gasket [MFlem94890 aol.com]
Re: 1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops! [MD Wayment ]
Re: '92 F250 Fuel Problem [Todd M ]
ordering window for 1997's [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops! [John Yee ]
Re: 1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops! [Ken Payne ]
1997 F350 PowerStroke [Jan Campbell ]
Re: 1997 F350 PowerStroke [Ken Payne ]
Re: 1997 F350 PowerStroke [Ken Payne ]
1999 F-250 HD+ specs [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 1999 F-250 HD+ specs [Kent Premo ]
[none] [Timothy P Fagrey ]
F-250 Snow Plow Info [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 1999 F-250 HD+ specs [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 2.73 to 4.10 gears in a 2.3L Ranger ["Lare/Eric" ]

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:34:00 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: When do 98 (or 99??) new design F250/350 crew cabs hit the streets?

> My local dealer told me out here in Calif I could order right now a new
> design 98 F250 HD Crew Cab for delivery in Jan 98. Is he wrong or just
> blowing smoke? He probably wants me to buy his old crew cabs I bet.
> Hope someone has good poop out there!

Hi all; I've been lurking here for a while, and thought I'd jump in
with what I've heard about the new trucks. According to the sales staff
at Mission Valley Ford in San Jose, Ca Ford will be building the current
models up through the end of the year. In January they convert over to
the new design, and trucks will start showing up at dealers in March or
April. I drop by the dealer about once a month to bug them for more
information because I'm interested in the new F550. From what I've
heard they will be available in short bed, long bed, flat bed, utility bed,
standard cab, extended cab, crew cab, 2WD, 4WD, and any combination
of the above. The F550 will have a tow rating as high as 19K lb.

I guess I should put some biographical stuff here: I own a 1990 F350
Crew Cab Duallie Diesel that spends a lot of time pulling a 30 ft
Wilderness fifth wheel. It's got about 115K miles on the clock, and
we've had the E4OD tranny rebuilt once (right before the warranty ran
out) and it's getting close to needing it again, thus the desire to see
the new F550 hit the dealers!

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:43:59 -0600
From: Scott MacButch
Subject: '99 F-250 & 350

Re: Michael Ruth mentioned that the '99 PS will be "tweaked" slightly
for the upcoming new trucks. Might want to check out the "Jasons
Power Stroke" webb page, as fellow there states one of his sources told
him that Navistar is supposed to have an intercooler and waste gated
turbo-charger for '99 - which to my way of thinking is much more than
a mere "tweak" of the current PS - I guess we will have to
just stay tuned.

Scott
macs poky.srv.net

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:59:47 -0700
From: "Laura Dale"
Subject: Re: When do 98 (or 99??) new design F250/350 crew cabs hit the streets?

>From what I learned this week, Ford is redesigning the Heavy Duty truck
line and it will continue to manufacture the 1997's until the 1999 model
can be released. The release for the 1999 model can't happen until after
January of 1998. There will be no 1998 model of the F-250 or F-350 as we
know them. They will continue to be made as 1997's. You can still order a
1997 throughout 1998 - Ford will continue to make them, they are just
skipping a "year" here.
The changes to the 1999 have a lot to do with the body style - less squared
off from what I was told, but not as severe as the light duty model.
That's all I know at this point. My good friend is a fleet manager in
Norco and she told me because we are looking to replace our 1989 F-250 7.3L
Diesel. Anyone want one?


- ----------
> From: The Hepburn
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: When do 98 (or 99??) new design F250/350 crew cabs hit the
streets?
> Date: Thursday, October 02, 1997 8:34 AM
>
> > My local dealer told me out here in Calif I could order right now a new
> > design 98 F250 HD Crew Cab for delivery in Jan 98. Is he wrong or just
> > blowing smoke? He probably wants me to buy his old crew cabs I bet.
> > Hope someone has good poop out there!
>
> Hi all; I've been lurking here for a while, and thought I'd jump in
> with what I've heard about the new trucks. According to the sales staff
> at Mission Valley Ford in San Jose, Ca Ford will be building the current
> models up through the end of the year. In January they convert over to
> the new design, and trucks will start showing up at dealers in March or
> April. I drop by the dealer about once a month to bug them for more
> information because I'm interested in the new F550. From what I've
> heard they will be available in short bed, long bed, flat bed, utility
bed,
> standard cab, extended cab, crew cab, 2WD, 4WD, and any combination
> of the above. The F550 will have a tow rating as high as 19K lb.
>
> I guess I should put some biographical stuff here: I own a 1990 F350
> Crew Cab Duallie Diesel that spends a lot of time pulling a 30 ft
> Wilderness fifth wheel. It's got about 115K miles on the clock, and
> we've had the E4OD tranny rebuilt once (right before the warranty ran
> out) and it's getting close to needing it again, thus the desire to see
> the new F550 hit the dealers!
>
> ---
>
> Alan Hepburn |
|
> National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME
|
> Santa Clara, Ca |
|
> alanh galaxy.nsc.com |
|
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:12:54 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: 1999 F250/F350 prototype photos from a list member

http://www.ford-trucks.com

The 1980+ list will really appreciate this since it seems to
be the hot topic right now..... but all the lists are being
notified.

A list member who lives near the Ford testing grounds saw the
F250/F350 prototype in a local parking lot at night. Most of
the hood area is concealed with plastic and the two photos are
grainy since its night. However, the grill shots do show a
"meaty" looking front end on this short bed crew cab. Follow
the link on our home page. I didn't skrink down the pictures
for the web site. That way you can see as much detail as
possible since this is a night shot and its very difficult so
see much.

Before anyone jumps down my throat for displaying these...
these pictures are not "spy shots". Had Ford not wanted this
truck to be seen they wouldn't have driven it to a department
store. I will not show spy shots on the site as I believe in
not letting Ford's competition know what they have planned.
These photos just confirm a little of what Ford showed on their
truck that's been displayed at the auto shows.

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:26:13 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: 1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops!

http://www.ford-trucks.com

Sorry about that, I forgot to post the first picture (the one
with the grill shot). Web site should now properly display both!

Ken

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 07:45:07 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Winches

BigDogF250 aol.com wrote:
>
> I've also heard about winches that run off the motor , they hook into the
> transfer case or something like that,



PTO (Power Take Off) winch. Best and usually most powerful.... also
most expensive because of the excitement involved in adding the
trnasfer case & routing the drive around engine & steering components.

TC

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:35:32 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: Winches

>PTO (Power Take Off) winch. Best and usually most powerful.... also
>most expensive because of the excitement involved in adding the
>trnasfer case & routing the drive around engine & steering components.

Transfer cases with PTO output can be found on Dodge 3500 and is an option on
the 2500 (HD transfer case). I can't find any references to PTO transfer cases
on the '97 Ford HD F250 or F350, or super duty for that matter. I do know that
Super Duty's can get them, cause i've seen Tow trucks that have them.
But I don't know if it is a ford option, or a "tow truck builder" option.

There was a rumor (or was it a wish) that the 1999 HD trucks may have a PTO
option. Anyone know?

Another question:
Does anyone know if the 1999 HD trucks will have a 3:73 axle ratio option?
The reason I ask is that every 1997 ford truck (LD trucks and Vans) that has
a Triton engine also has a 3:73 option (as well as 4:10).

EG: the 97 vans have 3:55 and 4:10 option on the PowerStroke,
but the V10 has 3:73 and 4:10's.

I'm *guessing* that the 1999 HD trucks will have the option, but have not
got around to a dealer to verify it.

thanks,

- -john

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:55:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: MFlem94890 aol.com
Subject: exh. manifold gasket

I have a 1988 F250 king cab long bed, Had a ford dealer work on my truck,
comes to find out, they didn't put a exh.manifold gasket on it. I've heard
you don't really need one, is this true,

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:21:17 -0700
From: MD Wayment
Subject: Re: 1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops!

ummm.....er.....got any better ones than that? Can't see a darn thing at
night.

Ken Payne wrote:

> http://www.ford-trucks.com
>
> Sorry about that, I forgot to post the first picture (the one
> with the grill shot). Web site should now properly display both!
>
> Ken
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:03:05 -0800
From: Todd M
Subject: Re: '92 F250 Fuel Problem

There are a couple TSB's related to fuel flow problems on these trucks listed on
www.alldata.com
Todd

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:34:47, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: ordering window for 1997's

Ordering window for 1997 close of Oct. 6. Or near that day. 460's
are not available anymore...can NOT be ordered.

Josh

KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:59:12 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: 1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops!

At 12:21 PM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>ummm.....er.....got any better ones than that? Can't see a darn thing at
>night.

Complain, complain. :-)

if you haven't seen these:

- - Try the October Trailer life (hardcopy); they're not online yet.

- - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.motortrend.com/june97/tt/tt_f.html
On the 3rd of 3 pages.

- - or the Powerforce:
www.FordUnleashed.com

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:58:06 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 1999 F250/F350 photos - whoops!

At 12:21 PM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>ummm.....er.....got any better ones than that? Can't see a darn thing at
>night.
>
>Ken Payne wrote:
>

Unfortunately, in addition to them being night photos the
scanner at my former employer wasn't very good. I'm planning
on taking the pics to Kinkos this weekend and scanning them
at 600 dpi. Maybe they'll turn out better.

Ken

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:43:22 -0400
From: Jan Campbell
Subject: 1997 F350 PowerStroke

Recently purchased a new 1997 F350 PowerStroke, the truck had no window
sticker on it listing equipment, etc. Does anyone know some way that I
can get a copy or a duplicate? The dealer tells me they don't know.
Amazing, isn't it? Any suggestions on oil and filters?

Thanx.

Matt Campbell

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:38:20 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 1997 F350 PowerStroke

At 05:43 PM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Recently purchased a new 1997 F350 PowerStroke, the truck had no window
>sticker on it listing equipment, etc. Does anyone know some way that I
>can get a copy or a duplicate? The dealer tells me they don't know.
>Amazing, isn't it? Any suggestions on oil and filters?
>
>Thanx.
>
>Matt Campbell

Sounds like the dealer is pulling a fast one. Its against
Federal law for new vehicles to not have the window sticker
listing the options and MSRP.

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:39:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 1997 F350 PowerStroke

At 05:43 PM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Recently purchased a new 1997 F350 PowerStroke, the truck had no window
>sticker on it listing equipment, etc. Does anyone know some way that I
>can get a copy or a duplicate? The dealer tells me they don't know.
>Amazing, isn't it? Any suggestions on oil and filters?
>
>Thanx.
>
>Matt Campbell


Also, try emailing cacinfo ford.com and letting them know the
situation.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:02:54, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: 1999 F-250 HD+ specs

Anyone interested in 1999 truck options, I GOT THEM Write me if you
want some additional info. NO, I don't have any prices, but I do
have ordering options. These are all called 1999 Super Duty F-Series.


F-250 and F-350 Engine choices:
5.4L V8, 5 speed manual OD (standard)
5.4L V8, electronic Auto
6.8L V10, 5 speed manual
6.8L V10, Auto
7.3L Diesel, 6 speed manual OD, yes 6 Speed
7.3L Diesel, Auto


5.4L and 7.3L gear ratios are 3.73 or 4.10
6.8L gear ratios are 3.73 or 4.30
limited slip is available

Snow Plow Package is available:
HD front springs
HD battery
HD Alternator
XL, XLT, or Lariat packages offerd
PTO (power take off) opening optional with auto tranny

F-450 is 15000# GVWR:
Cab Chassis
6.8L V10, 5 speed manual OD (standard)
6.8L V10, Auto
7.3L, 6 speed Manual OD
7.3L, Auto
4x2 or 4x4
reg cab or crew cab

F-550 is 17500# GVWR
reg cab or crew cab
4x2 or 4x4
6.8L, Auto (standard)
7.3L, 6 speed Manual OD
7.3L, Auto
or 19000# GVWR-4x2 only


Any more questions, please e-mail me at KNBD87D prodigy.com

Josh

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:11:16 -0500
From: Kent Premo
Subject: Re: 1999 F-250 HD+ specs

Josh,

I'm sure you will be a very popular fellow. If you can, please provide more
about the F-250 options with regard to cab/beds, especially as they relate
to the availability of the snow plow prep package. The 1997 250 light duty
doesn't allow snow plow prep with super cab. Should I have any reason to
hope that the 1998 250 "super duty" will? I haven't looked much into the
1997 250HD offerings since I'm keen on the restyling.

Kent

At 06:02 PM 10/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Anyone interested in 1999 truck options, I GOT THEM Write me if you
>want some additional info. NO, I don't have any prices, but I do
>have ordering options. These are all called 1999 Super Duty F-Series.
>
>
>F-250 and F-350 Engine choices:
>5.4L V8, 5 speed manual OD (standard)
>5.4L V8, electronic Auto
>6.8L V10, 5 speed manual
>6.8L V10, Auto
>7.3L Diesel, 6 speed manual OD, yes 6 Speed
>7.3L Diesel, Auto
>
>
>5.4L and 7.3L gear ratios are 3.73 or 4.10
>6.8L gear ratios are 3.73 or 4.30
>limited slip is available
>
>Snow Plow Package is available:
>HD front springs
>HD battery
>HD Alternator
>XL, XLT, or Lariat packages offerd
>PTO (power take off) opening optional with auto tranny
>
>F-450 is 15000# GVWR:
>Cab Chassis
>6.8L V10, 5 speed manual OD (standard)
>6.8L V10, Auto
>7.3L, 6 speed Manual OD
>7.3L, Auto
>4x2 or 4x4
>reg cab or crew cab
>
>F-550 is 17500# GVWR
>reg cab or crew cab
>4x2 or 4x4
>6.8L, Auto (standard)
>7.3L, 6 speed Manual OD
>7.3L, Auto
>or 19000# GVWR-4x2 only
>
>
>Any more questions, please e-mail me at KNBD87D prodigy.com
>
>Josh
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>

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:02:10 -0700
From: Timothy P Fagrey
Subject: [none]

Steven/James/Charles/Mark,
I have a F150 4.9L six and wrote in awhile back about the tank problem =
and also a ruff running issue. Most of this was solved by calling into=20
Ford and gave them the VIN to scan for recalls - They found three and =
fixed them for free. One recall had to do with a fuel pressure =
regulator, another ignition switch and the last one I did not verify.=20
Hope this helps someone.

you wrote:

I know that this has been mentioned on this list before, but I really =
paid no
attention to the responses because it wasn't relevant to me. Now that I =
have
to help a friend out with this problem, I will pay more attention.

The truck is an 87 F-150 2wd 4.9L with the dual gas tanks. The problem =
is
thatthe truck always gets its gas from the front tank, no matter what
position the switch is in. The switch does cause the gauge to register =
the
appropriate reading for the tank it's set to. It has been like this for
about 2 years. I believe that, before this, the truck would draw from =
the
front until empty and then begin drawing from the rear, with the switch
remaining in the front position, which also doesn't sound like it was =
working
correctly. Any suggestions on where to start here? The back tank has =
been
full for most of this time (I don't know why my friend never drained it) =
and
it's a shame to see that capacity go to waste.

Thanks in advance,
Todd

Todd,
I have a 4.9L 6 1990 F150 2wd and have a somewhat same problem - when
one tank is empty, I switch over to the other one. The gauge registers =
full after=20
switch over but the tank gauge declines rather quickly to the level of =
the original=20
tank - I then switch back and the first tank reads full. I then proceed =
to use the=20
fuel from the second tank. It seems as though the empty tank fills from =
the full one.
Anyone with some clues?

Tim,
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:17:24 -0500
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: RE: '92 F250 Fuel Problem=09

James,

Had the exact same problem on a 1990 F150 - I mean exactly.

Basically, your fuel pump is dying, mine just got worse and worse
until it quit - while it still works, you should suck that tank dry
now while you can if you plan on dropping the tank, although
I found it much easier to lift off the bed and replace both=20
at the same time (when the second one was dying of course)

Steven McCullough
Houston, TX also

- - -----Original Message-----
From: Beaman, James [SMTP:james.beaman lmco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 8:36 AM
To: 'fordtrucks80up ListService.net'
Subject: '92 F250 Fuel Problem

I have been experiencing a problem using fuel from the front tank of
my'92 F250. The symtoms are these: when I am using the rear tank and
switch to the front tank while driving, the engine will stop if I don't
switch back in time. However, if I repeat this drill enough, it will
eventually begin running from the front. Sometimes it takes longer than
other times. After I get it switched over, I can switch it back and
forth with no problem unless I leave it on the rear tank too long
(probably over an hour). Likewise, if I have been driving on the front
tank and park, it will not start on the front tank unless I come back to
it within an hour or so. Is my fuel pump going out or does this sound
like a priming problem? Anyone experienced or heard of anything like
this?

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:26:18, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: F-250 Snow Plow Info

Kent,

The 1999 F-250 Super Cav will allow the snow plow package. It
consists of a HD battery, HD alternator, and HD front springs. If
you are wondering the capacity, it is as follows:
5.4L or 6.8L V10 only, not recommeded with diesel in any wheelbase
EXCEPT regular cab.
100 lb. max of permanently attached hardware
680 lb. max of removable plow and ahardware
780 lb. max combined plow and permantenly attached hardware

Cab and box:

Can have supercab with a shortbox or a longbox

Any other questions, I am happy to assist you.

Josh

KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:44:12, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: 1999 F-250 HD+ specs

John,

- -4.30 ratio IS available with the V10

- -I am not sure yet if the body styles will be staged through out the
year. I HOPE NOT.
That would make for some unhappy customers and dealers

- -I do not know when the dealers will get the tow guides and
brochures
I will announce the towing capacities as soon as I find out

- -you can ask me as many questions as you'd like. I can help you.

Josh

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:42:20 -0400
From: "Lare/Eric"
Subject: Re: 2.73 to 4.10 gears in a 2.3L Ranger

I went with 4.10's with 31" (soon to be 32") tires on my '94 Splash Ext.
Cab with the 4.0 L. The truck originally came with 3.27's and 235/75
tires. I'm slightly lower in final gearing than stock (about 10 to 12% -
depending on tire pressure) and I've actually noticed very little change in
my gas mileage. I drive about 50% hi-way, 20% city, and 30% moderate
off-road.

Hope this helps,

Eric S.

- ----------
> From: Silent . Bob
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net; DalCorral deltos.com;
fordnatics lists.best.com
> Subject: 2.73 to 4.10 gears in a 2.3L Ranger
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 11:00 AM
>
>
> A friend of mine that works for Ford knew that I wanted to put some new
> 3.45's or 3.73's rear end gears in my truck. Well last night he called
> me and told me that he could get me a whole rear end that came out of a
> Windstar that had 4.10's and had less than 30,000 miles on it for $150.
> He said that the reason why the took the rear end out was because the
> owner kept complaining about it and the dealership basically sold him a
> new rear end when all it really needed was to be shimed. (that's how guys
> like me get parts cheap).
>
> Anyway, its a pretty good deal and I could swap the gears and sell the
> rear end and get my money back, but Im not so sure about going with 4.10
> gears in my truck.
>
> My question is, how much more gas am I going to be sucking if I go from....


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