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fordtrucks80up-digest Sunday, September 21 1997 Volume 01 : Number 125



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In this issue:

Re: Spongy Brakes ... -- me too ["S. Spaulding"
P.S.O.M. [G333khz aol.com]
Re: 2.9 L EFI engine [ILuvTruks aol.com]
RE: F350 Front Diff Limited Slip [jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester)]
Re: Spongy Brakes ... -- me too [Sheila Goodson ]
Re: 83 Ranger Tranny Woes ["Tom L." ]
'83 Ranger Starter/Flywheel Noise ["Tom L." ]
ADMIN: List split information [Ken Payne ]
Retrofit Fuel Injection And Intake Manifolds ["Steven S. Neumann"
hesitation ["John W. McCleney Jr." ]
Re: Spongy Brakes ... -- me too ["C. E. White" ]
ADMIN: New list [Ken Payne ]
Re: Spongy Brakes ... -- me too [zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)]

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:42:52 -0700
From: "S. Spaulding"
Subject: Re: Spongy Brakes ... -- me too

Hopefully you bench bled the master cylinder before you installed it.

The bleeder for the ABS is located on the actuator inside the left frame
rail just behind the front axle. Follow your brake lines, and you will
find it.

One problem I had with my truck was that the wheel cylinders on both
sides were frozen. My braking was terrible, and the pedal felt weird.
This was my first experience with frozen wheel cylinders, although I've
seen plenty of frozen calipers on other vehicles.

Steve

Lamar Zabielski wrote:
>
> Hi All, I just had my '88 F-250 HD SC 7.3L 4WD checked out for suspension
> and brakes. They said I needed a master cylinder, along with $700 of other
> work. Well I r&r the mc, using the husband/wife bleeding system, and it's
> still the same too. (Engine off there is no compression or loss, rock hard,
> while starting hard, then upon starting the pedal fades away)
>
> Can't lock em up either, even in rain today. And my ABS orange light is on,
> been on since I got it 2k miles ago.
>
> Haynes' book says there is an ABS valve to be bled (pg 9-16 11.7). Where is it?
>
> Or is it the power assist failing?
>
> Will do the check procedure at pg 9-17 12.12
>
> If that doesn't do it ... gonna let the pros do it!
>
> 430 miles till the odometer flips to zero, then it will be missed for 2-3
> weeks as it gets its heart rebuilt and limbs tuned up.
>
> zya, Zeb
> NE Boulder County, Colorado
>
> ==========================================
>
> At 05:08 PM 9/19/97 -0700, fordtrucks80up ListService.net wrote:
> >I don't know about Matthew, but my husband who is having the same problem
> >with an 1989 F250 460 did do the old-fashioned, two-man bleeding and he
> >still can't resolve this problem. Have replaced everything. Some things
> >twice. Has anyone out there had this problem and figured out how to
> >resolve it?
> >
> >S. Spaulding wrote:
> >>
> >> Matthew,
> >>
> >> When you bled the brakes, did you use a one-man bleeder? If you did,
> >> try it the old-fashioned way, with two people.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> Matthew Miller wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I need HELP!! Still have a spongy pedal. All new components from
> >> > calipers, wheel cylinders, pads, shoes, springs, 2 Raybestos master
> >> > cylinders, bled lines till the oil prices went up. Van stops OK but will
> >> > not lock up wheels as it did in the past. Performed engine off test, foot
> >> > on pedal, crank engine power booster test ; according to Ford
> >> > manual-passed. What am I missing? HELP! Thanks, Matt
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: G333khz aol.com
Subject: P.S.O.M.

My 1993 F 150 PSOM reads "ERROR" where the milage used to be the speedo
reads 95 mph in any gear foward or reverse I have a replacement my problem
is I need to program it can anyone give me some help???


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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:12:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: ILuvTruks aol.com
Subject: Re: 2.9 L EFI engine

On my 86 Bronco II, I had a similar problem. I ran the codes and came back
with all the EGR stuff too. I still have to fix that, but I am starting the
re-build in a few hours and have been planing it so I'll take care of that in
the process. The problem with the idle, however, is your throttle body
probably. use a good can and a half or two of carb cleaner. Also clear the
air passageways really good because they are real important. I actually took
my throttle body off, that helped cleaning it a lot.
If that doesn't help I agree to go for the fuel filter, etc. My codes came
back with a fuel relay problem. That's why my fuel pump was running all the
time and at the wrong pressure. That contributed too. A quick test is to
turn the key to on, not start. after a few seconds the fuel pump should shut
itself off. If it doesn't that is part of the problem aswell.
SURPRISE! On the 2.9 you CAN adjust the idle. It is right there on the
throttle body. It looks like a screw with a spring on it. Right there by
the throttle/cruise cables.
Just a note, you should fix the problem ASAP. Using two feet on an auto can
put a lot of un-needed stress on a trans, even just at a stop light.
As I said I am doing a re-build. I will let y'all know what happened with
the EGR, Fuel relay, etc. Hope it all woks out for us both. Long live the
Bronco II 4x4 (and 2x4's too.)

Clay
1986 Bronco II 4x4 XLT 2.9L
Confederate States of America


>Can someone point me towards a thorough explanation of the computer
>trouble codes for this 1986 vintage machine(2.9L EFI auto w/ac). I've
>been able to follow the procedure to extract the codes(mostly emission
>stuff..i.e. EGR, MAP sensor etc), but need more info on isolating and
>repairing problems before I start replacing emission parts. The engine
>accelerates well and is strong, but runs rough at idle in gear at ,for
>instance, a stop light. Raising the idle a bit (with foot on the brake)
>seems to smooth it out but, the idle of course, is controlled by the
>computer and appears to be "un-adjustable" manually. If it wasn't so
>politically and environmentally incorrect, for two cents, I'd start
>stripping all this emissions stuff off the darn thing, even If I had to go
>back to a less efficient ignition system! Thanks to All
>
>Kevin Sharpe
>shak worldnet.att.net
>217-785-5403 Office
>217-785-5282 Fax

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 12:01:09 -0400
From: jlester naxs.com (Jason Lester)
Subject: RE: F350 Front Diff Limited Slip

Did you read my post from the factory manuals? The rear Dana 80 offered by
Ford does include a true Detroit Locker. As far as fronts go, I can think
of any application with a true locker in the front. It would be impossible
in most trucks today (Fords being the exception) because of the auto-hubs.
Front lockers require manual hubs.

Jason

You wrote:
>Well, maybe I am remembering wrong. Maybe I read that none came with
>true locking (non-LSD) front differentials. For that matter, anyone
>know when the last time a manufacturer put a true locking rear end on a
>factory vehicle?

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:26:17 -0700
From: Sheila Goodson
Subject: Re: Spongy Brakes ... -- me too

We did replace the power assist. It didn't help any. Good Luck.

Lamar Zabielski wrote:
>
> Hi All, I just had my '88 F-250 HD SC 7.3L 4WD checked out for suspension
> and brakes. They said I needed a master cylinder, along with $700 of other
> work. Well I r&r the mc, using the husband/wife bleeding system, and it's
> still the same too. (Engine off there is no compression or loss, rock hard,
> while starting hard, then upon starting the pedal fades away)
>
> Can't lock em up either, even in rain today. And my ABS orange light is on,
> been on since I got it 2k miles ago.
>
> Haynes' book says there is an ABS valve to be bled (pg 9-16 11.7). Where is it?
>
> Or is it the power assist failing?
>
> Will do the check procedure at pg 9-17 12.12
>
> If that doesn't do it ... gonna let the pros do it!
>
> 430 miles till the odometer flips to zero, then it will be missed for 2-3
> weeks as it gets its heart rebuilt and limbs tuned up.
>
> zya, Zeb
> NE Boulder County, Colorado
>
> ==========================================
>
> At 05:08 PM 9/19/97 -0700, fordtrucks80up ListService.net wrote:
> >I don't know about Matthew, but my husband who is having the same problem
> >with an 1989 F250 460 did do the old-fashioned, two-man bleeding and he
> >still can't resolve this problem. Have replaced everything. Some things
> >twice. Has anyone out there had this problem and figured out how to
> >resolve it?
> >
> >S. Spaulding wrote:
> >>
> >> Matthew,
> >>
> >> When you bled the brakes, did you use a one-man bleeder? If you did,
> >> try it the old-fashioned way, with two people.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> Matthew Miller wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I need HELP!! Still have a spongy pedal. All new components from
> >> > calipers, wheel cylinders, pads, shoes, springs, 2 Raybestos master
> >> > cylinders, bled lines till the oil prices went up. Van stops OK but will
> >> > not lock up wheels as it did in the past. Performed engine off test, foot
> >> > on pedal, crank engine power booster test ; according to Ford
> >> > manual-passed. What am I missing? HELP! Thanks, Matt
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:19:13 -0400
From: "Tom L."
Subject: Re: 83 Ranger Tranny Woes

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From: PhilDyson aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Date: Sunday, September 14, 1997 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: 83 Ranger Tranny Woes



>Tom,
> You forgot to hook your vacuum line back up to the modulator valve, or
>your modualtor is bad.

Phil: Thanks a million, that's exactly what the problem was. Not only
was the trans shifting strangely, but the engine was running very rough and
hot, I guess due to vacuum problems. Everything is hooked back up, and she's
running great!

Thanks Again,
Tom
Working hard... and loving it!

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:39:00 -0400
From: "Tom L."
Subject: '83 Ranger Starter/Flywheel Noise

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Have another (ongoing) problem that I need advice on:

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the starter would not mesh, and the flywheel was so chipped up that I =
replaced both. The flywheel replacement wasn't fun.

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had a similar experience or has suggestions.

Thanks, Tom


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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:49:48 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: List split information

The 3rd list is currently being tested. If you are on the current
1979 and older list and you want to be on the 1961-1979 list, don't
email me! You will get moved over automatically, full instructions
will appear at that time via the list. If you are on the 1980 and
newer truck list, no action is required as nothing will change for
you.

If you want to be on the 1960 and older list in addition to or
instead of the 1961-1979/1980+ lists, I need the following information:

1. Do you want the digest or live list
2. Do you want to get removed from the 1961-1979 list? If so, are you
a digest or live member (this helps me because I won't have to look
it up).

Email this info to: kpayne mindspring.com

The 3rd list should be up and running sometime tomorrow. For those who
receive the 1960 and older list, traffic on that list will probably be
very slow for at least a couple of weeks. This same trend occurred with
the 1980 and newer list when it was first formed. The 1980+ list now has
more members then the 1979- list and about the same amount of traffic.
That list took about a month to get going real well. As before, I'll
notify all the auto news groups of the new list, which helps to pick up
members.

Unfortunately for everyone who plans on staying with the 1961-79
list, the address is changing. This was needed so I could have a logical
name for the list... more on this when the change-over email gets sent.

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:56:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Steven S. Neumann"
Subject: Retrofit Fuel Injection And Intake Manifolds

I was curious about what intake manifold to use with an aftermarket
fuel injection unit such as the Holley Projection unit. Wouldn't a single
plane manifold be the ticket if using let's say the old analog 670cfm, 2
injector throttle body with the closed loop adapter? Hell, let's even say
the new digital Projection units. Seems to me since these throttle bodies
are not carburetors, this would make more sense since the fuel control
through the unit is actually user adjusted, and not dependant on the airflow
through the venturies as in carbed applications. With the added O2 sensor
in the exhaust for the closed loop system, wouldn't you want each cylinder
pulling fuel from one common plenum?
Let's say one injector doesn't flow as well as the other. There is
only one O2 sensor, so if it happens to be in the side that runs lean,
wouldn't it try to correct for a lean setting, thus causing the other side
that flows properly to foul out? Let's say it was attached to a side that
was rich. Wouldn't it cause the side that was lean to lean out even more?
My theory is that a low rise single plane intake would draw from the
total mixture and give you a more acurate reading, even if one injector was
richer or leaner than the other. Yes, no, maybe?


Steve ('84 Bronco, '76 Ranchero)

Thank you Alan Kulwicki, 1992 Winston Cup Champion, for the memories...

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John W. McCleney Jr."
Subject: hesitation

I've got a 1991 f-150 spacecab with 170,000 mi. on it. When I first
start-up in the morning ,the first time I try to put it in drive it
kills. Everytime!! When I restart and put in drive it runs fine.
I was told that it sounded like the idle control motor so I had it
taken apart and cleaned. No difference! I also borrowed one of those
injector cleaning tolls that operates off of air and flushed the fuel
inj. twice. No good! It's also got a hesitation when first taking off.
I don't know if the two things are related or not.
I've done a complete tune-up including plugs, wires, rotor, cap, pcv,
air cleaner, and breather filter. None of this has made any difference
on either problem. (although cleaning made a big difference on gas
mileage).
Can anybody think of anything???

Thanks
John McCleney Jr.

302 V-8
AOD


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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:36:51 -0400
From: "C. E. White"
Subject: Re: Spongy Brakes ... -- me too

Lots of things can cause spongy brakes besides air in the lines. Stuck
caliper, stuck wheel cyclinders, "bad" flexible hoses, etc.

Go see a pro.

Ed

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:55:17 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: New list

Just came back from dinner and was giving the new list some
thought. I think performing the split this weekend is a mistake.
A good deal of the members get the list at their work or school
email address. I'm going to postpone the split until Tuesday
evening. This will give everyone a chance to response.

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:01:59 -0600 (MDT)....


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