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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, September 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 115



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In this issue:

Re: PCV Filter [Charles Cohn ]
[none] [greg.medert gsa.gov]
CDR Valve replacement in 7.3 [David Hertzberg
Re: Spray-in bedliners ["Dudley H. Wright" ]
Spray on bed liners [Carl Warren Levin ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #114 [Mobleaudio aol.com]
Re: splash [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
RE: Internet Message [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Banks add on's for Power Stroke [Jim Lujan ]
mailorder K&N? [Dan Simoes ]
Re: 302 [Thom Cheney ]
Re: mailorder K&N? [Thom Cheney ]
Re: 5th Wheel Questions [Mark Ponsford ]
Re: splash bed rails [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 302 [PhilDyson aol.com]
RE: Internet Message ["Beaman, James" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #114 [Rendell9 aol.com]
RE: Internet Message [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: splash bed rails [Thom Cheney ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #114 [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Dana Axle Identification ["Dave Resch"]
exhaust ["Travis Wade" ]
Re: Good News! (nitpick) [Filip M Gieszczykiewicz ]
Re: exhaust ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: PCV Filter [bob ]
Re: 5th Wheel Questions [BILLPEGZ aol.com]
what suspension would be........ [ERI302 aol.com]
Re: Spray-on bed liners [Dale Grein ]
Re: what suspension would be........ [Thom Cheney ]

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 06:42:58 -0400
From: Charles Cohn
Subject: Re: PCV Filter

At 01:21 AM 9/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Is it inside the air cleaner box? I thought the PCV valve was always in the
>valve cover.

The PCV valve and the PCV filter are two different things. The former is
at the output side of the crankcase air flow, while the latter is at the
input side.



Charles Cohn

6311 Mark Trail, Austell, Georgia 30168, USA

(770)944-7510, chasmagc mindspring.com

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Date: 16 Sep 97 07:33:00 (-0400)
From: greg.medert gsa.gov
Subject: [none]

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From: "John Thomas Taylor"

what the hell is TPS?
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TPS stands for throttle position sensor located on the side of the
throttle body.

Re: Spray on bedliners

My next door neighbor has a 95 ranger with a spray in liner, paid
about $325 hear in Atlanta. Best thing about them is you don;t have to
bolt everything down to keep it from sliding around like mine does.

91 Ford Ranger ext cab 4.0, 5 speed
Atlanta, Ga

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 07:33:45 PDT
From: David Hertzberg
Subject: CDR Valve replacement in 7.3

Have any of you diesel owners out there had experience with the CDR (crankcase
depression regulator) valve in the international 7.3 liter? The valve is
located on top of the engine, just behind the air filter, almost against the
firewall. To get to the valve you have to remove the air filter assembly.
Specifically, I'm wondering whether it is a part that needs to be changed, since
it functions more or less like a PCV valve on a gasoline fuel injected engine.
According to a Haynes manual I picked up a few years back the CDR valves on the
5.7 and 6.2 liter diesels in GMs, I believe, need to be replaced every 30,000
miles. Manual does not say whether this applies to the 7.3--only gives
instructions on how to replace it. I would be very grateful for any
wisdom/advice. Thanks. David H.


David and Leila Hertzberg
Greystoke Farm
Gaithersburg, Maryland
301-482-0016
ACdhertz us-state.osis.gov


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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:49:49 -0400
From: "Dudley H. Wright"
Subject: Re: Spray-in bedliners

I have owned both drop-in liners and a sprayed in Rhino-Liner. I liked
the Rhino-liner much better. I never had any problems with it except for
a few nicks that I put in it w/ a sharp shovel. There are also other
brand names of spray-in liners that are also good.

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 06:28:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carl Warren Levin
Subject: Spray on bed liners

I have one of those rubber throw liners. It is thick thick rubber and
stays in place and seems to do the job. I like it and it was about 100
bucks.

"Any culture that surrenders it's vision and it's self sustaining
values to the narrow judgement of commerce will be neither free
nor just" Ralph Nader
Carl Levin carl teleport.com Portland, Oregon

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mobleaudio aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #114

can anyone help with my post from last week about swapping a 351w f.i. in
place of a 302 f.i. in a 1988 f/s bronco? need to know differences of the
components, what i'll need, etc. i also want about 350 hp. street legal. does
anyone have any opinions on where to find a long block, and what components
would have to be changed from stock 351? thanks in advance,
Leslie Zettler
Mobleaudio aol.com
and i'm still available for stereo problems, just e-mail me

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:50:08 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: splash

On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:17:34 -0500 Thom Cheney
writes:
>Brian Pynn wrote:
> I may look into a K&N filter when the time comes to change the
>stocker.... other than that I think this truck will stay pretty stock.
>
>I'm saving my performance dollars to throw at an early Bronco :)


If you are like me (putting 65K in 2 years on a 95 Ranger) then go ahead
and buy the K&N Filter replacement when its time to change your filter.
It will save money in the long run.

That way you don't have to replace it every 3 months. :)

Or go to the dealer for a $25 air filter (back when I had no choice).


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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:06:54, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: Internet Message

James,

You are wrong. There is no 1998 model F-350. The 1997 model is done
being ordered by Oct. 6, and then no more. After the 1997's are
bulit out, they will start with the 1999 model.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:49:09 -0600
From: Jim Lujan
Subject: Banks add on's for Power Stroke

I've talked to a couple of folks on the net about Bank's Stage I, II, and
potentially the III (an intercooler). I'm interested in feedback
on these products since I'm considering acquiring a Stage II.

Anyone on this list have any experience with their products for the
Power Stroke?

Please respond directly to me, and I'll be more than happy to submit
a summary.

-Jim-

'97 F-350 PS 4x4 C Cab LB

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:53:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Simoes
Subject: mailorder K&N?

Is there a place that will mailorder a K&N filter for a Ranger?
I know lots of Euro places, but nothing for Fords, and my local
auto parts place is closing down.

| Dan |
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ANS Communications http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://coimbra.ans.net/dans.html
100 Manhattanville Road (914) 701-5378 (voice)
Purchase, NY 10577 (914) 701-5310 (fax)

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:53:24 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: 302

Ezekial wrote:
>
> I have a 1988 F-150 with a EFI 302.
> I was wondering if anyone has some good cheap tricks to squeeze some
> more power and/or speed from her. I am interested in bolt on, part
> changes, and just changes to the motor. Any ideas are welcome. Make a
> complete engine upgrade if you want too. Thanx in advance, Derrick.
>
302's are so buildable and options are plentiful. Start with the K&N
air filter. That should be good for a few hp. From there you can do
a cat back exhaust system. These are both simple bolt ons. If you
want to get more extreme go to a peformance chip, maybe an RV cam.
Seriously, the sky is the limit. Once you get above the 20% increase
you will start spending more and more just for incremential gains.

Happy building!!

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:19:15 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: mailorder K&N?

Dan Simoes wrote:
>
> Is there a place that will mailorder a K&N filter for a Ranger?
> I know lots of Euro places, but nothing for Fords, and my local
> auto parts place is closing down.
>

Try Summit racing (800) 230-3030

TC

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:00:11 -0800
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: Re: 5th Wheel Questions

>I am looking into a 5th wheel (26 foot)setup for camping. I have a 92
>F-150 XLT with the 302 V-8. The truck is a short bed standard cab. I have
>question concerning the 5th wheel setup on a short wheel base. Bill Zwaan
>responded to someone ordering a F-250 about the short bed would stop them
>from pulling a 5th wheel, why? Is this something I need to forget about?
>Would a travel trailer be better suited for this truck?
>
>Thanks for the help
>Frank Nesbitt

Something else to consider is braking capacity. The F-150 brakes aren't
exactly heavy duty.


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Mark Ponsford Phone: (250) 721-7397
Email: mponsfor uvic.ca

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:07:38, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: splash bed rails

Thom,

When looking at my brothers splash yesterday, it kinda looked like
the box rails would fit your truck. They are the same length, so I
would give it a shot. The pieces for the tailgate or the front of
the bed will not fit because of the flaresides.

I will get close with a measure, though. Also, I will be taking
delivery of a '98 very shortly. I like the new look, but it will
take time to get used to. I really like the new suspension (SLA) and
steering (rack and pinion).

Josh

Josh

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:36:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: 302

In a message dated 97-09-15 22:36:41 EDT, you write:


I was wondering if anyone has some good cheap tricks to squeeze some
more power and/or speed from her. I am interested in bolt on, part
changes, and just changes to the motor. Any ideas are welcome. Make a
complete engine upgrade if you want too. Thanx in advance, Derrick.
>>
GT-40 or Trick Flow heads $900 - $1300: TF heads+E-303 Cam+ GT-40 Intake= 78
more HP and 54ft.lbs more torque on a 5.0 Cobra engine. E-303 cam may be too
hot for a truck though.
Paxton Super Charger $2000-3000: Expesive but true bolt on horse power they
claim 340hp and 450 ft lbs torque on a 5.0 Mustang.
There are cheaper things to do but none that really kick you in the pants
like those above.
Phil

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:24:01 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: Internet Message

>KNBD87D prodigy.com[SMTP:KNBD87D prodigy.com] wrote:
>
>
>James,
>
>You are wrong. There is no 1998 model F-350. The 1997 model is done
>being ordered by Oct. 6, and then no more. After the 1997's are
>bulit out, they will start with the 1999 model.
>
>Josh

Well, Josh, I guess I am having crow for lunch today. I called several
dealers here in Houston and they confirmed what you say. I just
couldn't imagine Ford would miss out on a few months sales of the F-350s
and HD F-250s. I guess I should know better than to second guess the
truck knowledge of this group, especially since some folks are actively
researching for a purchase. Sorry for the confusion.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:27:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rendell9 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #114

Have a new F350 and just had black Rhino liner installed (about $370) - now
have had both bedliner and spray-on and no question spray-on superior:
- - no under liner rust
- - non slip surface (this is great, dogs and groceries were all over the place
with bedliner)
- - installed battery mount/clamp onto truck bed (for pickup camper) with no
liner issues.

Really enjoy the fordtruck discussions! Next project onboard air
compressor...

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:48:41, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: Internet Message

James,

No problem, I just wanted to make sure you weren't confused.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:49:33 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: splash bed rails

MR JOSH J TENNEY wrote:
>
> Thom,
>
> When looking at my brothers splash yesterday, it kinda looked like
> the box rails would fit your truck. They are the same length, so I
> would give it a shot. The pieces for the tailgate or the front of
> the bed will not fit because of the flaresides.
>
> I will get close with a measure, though. Also, I will be taking
> delivery of a '98 very shortly. I like the new look, but it will
> take time to get used to. I really like the new suspension (SLA) and
> steering (rack and pinion).
>
Thanks Josh, congrats on your new '98!! I seriously debated waiting
because of the advance reviews on the new suspension. It came down to
dollars in the end!

TC

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:51:34 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #114

Rendell9 aol.com wrote:
>

> Really enjoy the fordtruck discussions! Next project onboard air
> compressor...

ooooooooh....!!!!!! Have only heard of one worth having...Truck Air.

TC

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:58:43 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: Dana Axle Identification

>From: Steve Neumann
>Subject: Dana Axle Identification
> I have a question about an axle on an '80 F-250. Can anyone tell
me
>what the difference is between a Dana 44, a Dana 44HD and a Dana 50? I
have
The Dana 44 (TTB) was used only on F150 and Bronco 4x4s. The Dana 44HD
(TTB) was used on F250 4x4s from 1980 to 1988 (approx) and on F350 4x4s
from 1980 to 1985. The Dana 50 is used on later model F250s from about
1988-on.

>access to some parts from that same F-250, but aside from having 8 lug
hubs,
>I don't know how to tell what exists under the front of that truck. The
1980 F250 has the Dana 44HD TTB front end.

>useless books I have make mention of the Dana 50, but who really knows the
>specifics of each axle here? What years was the 50 used? What about the
HD
>44? Can I just swap out the rotors on my current front axle? Any help
is
>greatly appreciated.
The main difference that I know of between the 44 and 44HD is the carrier
(which is stronger and heavier in the 44HD) and the lube capacity (a little
bigger in the 44HD). I don't know if the 44 carrier will bolt up to the
TTB housing for a 44HD, but you could compare the bolt positions on the
front side of the TTB on your Bronco with those on the F250 and figure it
out. As far as I know, the 44 and 44HD use the same ring and pinion gears,
bearings, etc.

The F250 TTB is designed to work with a leaf spring suspension system while
the F150/Bronco TTB is designed for the coil spring system. The "beams"
are probably different to accommodate the different spring perches and
suspension points (F150/Bronco track bars) required. I don't know if the
steering knuckles and spindles are the same for Broncos and F250s, but they
might be different, too.

Hope this answers some of your questions.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)
1980 F250 4x4 351M

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:05:59 -0400
From: "Travis Wade"
Subject: exhaust

I keep finding water puddled in the end of my exhaust pipe. Any possible
causes?

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:32:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Filip M Gieszczykiewicz
Subject: Re: Good News! (nitpick)

You (Steve Irving) wrote:
> From: John Thomas Taylor
> Subject: Re: Good News!
>
> >what the hell is TPS?
>
> Throttle Positioning Sensor

Greetings. This is a nitpick but saying "positionING" implies
some sort of "action" on its part. It's just a PASSIVE sensor
that converts the angular opening of the throttle plate into
an electrical signal for consumption by the computer.

Tis all :-)

Take care.

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:53:49 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: exhaust

Travis Wade wrote:
>
> I keep finding water puddled in the end of my exhaust pipe. Any possible
> causes?

Yes: combustion.

When fuel burns, it reacts with oxygen in the air to form carbon dioxide
and water (among other things). Since the combustion process releases
heat energy, the water is in the form of vapor. When it makes its way
through the exhaust system, particularly when the system is cold, or in
cold weather, the exhaust gasses can cool to the point where the water
vapor condenses into liquid water. This can accumulate in the exhaust
system or run out the end, pooling under the exhaust output.

- -- or --

Maybe you have a head gasket leak (there are other ways that coolant can
get into the engine) and you are getting coolant into the combustion
chamber. If it is bad, you're usually leaving a steam trail behind
you. If not bad, you might not notice, but there will usually be
indications. These can include: losing coolant, fouling plugs with a
DRY carbon film, bubbles appearing in your cooling system. Others might
have some other symptoms and suggest places that may allow coolant into
the engine, like cracked head or block, etc.

Let's hope your water is just from normal combustion.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:59:35 -0700
From: bob
Subject: Re: PCV Filter

LarryAll aol.com wrote:

> Is it inside the air cleaner box? I thought the PCV valve was always in the
> valve cover. I myself am having a problem finding it. I found something
> that feels like a PCV valve on the left back valve cover, but it is almost
> impossible to get to and the Purelator replacement is too tall to fit in even
> if I could get it out. I really would like to know what is going on. And
> when you all talk about the air cleaner are you talking about the intake? I
> replaced mine with the K&N air intake kit. I didn't have a PCV valve in the
> stock intake, but I did have a air breather filter in there. I may be miss
> understanding what you are talking about, but like I said before, I though
> the PCV valve was always in the valve cover. Thanks for the input...
> Larry...
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I have a '94 F-150 Lightning that has the GT-40 upper and lower intakes on a
5.8l. I just changed the pcv valve on it. It was located on the back of the lower
intake by the firewall. I had to actually lay completely accross the engine and
find and pull it out by feel. The hard part was getting it off the connecting
hose! I haven't found a breather filter for the pcv yet tho'.

bob
'94 Lightning #767


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empty what's full and scratch where it itches."
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:21:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: BILLPEGZ aol.com
Subject: Re: 5th Wheel Questions

Amen to thbrakes on the F150.

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:37:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: ERI302 aol.com
Subject: what suspension would be........

i have a 1989 ford ranger with a 5.0 cobra in it and i was wondering would it
be better if i had it jacked up or lowerd a little so it gets a stiffer
suspension for better grip and handling??

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:56:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dale Grein
Subject: Re: Spray-on bed liners

Hi,

Anyone know how tough the sprayed on liners are?
I carry my snowmachine around alot.
The carbides and studs are starting to chew up my current bed liner.

Thanks.

Dale Grein 97 MXZ 440 LC
Espanola, Ontario 84 F150 4X4 4speed 300 I-6
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