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fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, September 15 1997 Volume 01 : Number 113



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In this issue:

Re: PCV Filter [Steven McCullough ]
Spray-on bed liners [Steven McCullough ]
Re: F-250 [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Mass Air conversion ["Stephen M. Brown" ]
Re: Quit whining [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Spray-on bed liners [Thom Cheney ]
Re: F-250 [Thom Cheney ]
splash [Thom Cheney ]
RE: splash [Brian Pynn ]
Re: Good News! ["John Thomas Taylor" ]
Re: F-250 [Jim Lujan ]
88 F150 hsrd shifting [yhtlines surfari.net]
GOOD NEWS! [yhtlines surfari.net]
Re: F-250 [BILLPEGZ aol.com]
Re: splash [Thom Cheney ]
Re: F-250 [Paul Laughlin ]
Re: F-250 [BILLPEGZ aol.com]
RE: 1997 vs 1999 F350 CrewCab7.3L powerstroke ["Beaman, James"
RE: splash [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
5th Wheel Questions [Frank Nesbitt ]
Re: splash [Jerad Heffner ]
Re: 5th Wheel Questions [Don Lewoniuk ]

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:25:59 -0700
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: Re: PCV Filter

The PCV valve is located on the rear of the left valve cover.
The PCV breather filter is located inside the air filter box
just under the main filter (lift it out).




At 07:12 PM 9/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Question: Does an EFI engine have a PCV filter (air breather)? The part
>is listed for my vehicle, but after looking in the engine, I don't see one.
> I know where they would normally be on a carbuerated engine... but on
>EFI?? (if it exists). Haynes shows a carbuerated engine, so it's no help.
>I looked at the part, it doesn't seem to resemble those from carb'ed
>engine.
>
> Thanks for the info....
> Lou.
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:28:27 -0700
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: Spray-on bed liners

Anyone had any experience with these spray-in rubber coatings
used as bed liners. At first I thought it was a bad idea, but
I saw one the other day on another truck and the rubber was dyed
to match the color of the truck - I thought it looked pretty nice.

Any thoughts? Typical prices?

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:31:02, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: F-250

JJ,

I have spec'd an F-250 to your specs and I have a price of $29,000.
The dealer that quoted you $300.00 over dealer invoice may not show
you the invoice when it comes in and may try to screw you out of some
money. I quote you this price regardless of dealer invoice or if the
price level may change which means a dealer price increase. You may
want to ask the dealer exactly what the price will be to compare with
my price. Please get back to me soon. The window for ordering is
closing soon.

Josh

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:37:20 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: Mass Air conversion

cc: fordtrucklist

I have been through the long and short of the hunt for mass air for my 5.8
95 Bronco for almost a year now. I have finally given up.

Ford has had the lightning mass air stuff "in development" for quite a
while. Everytime I call Motorsport tech line, they say, "Nope, still not
delivering that thing."

There is roundabout way to do it (Lightning owners have been doing it for a
while)...call Best Products (sorry can't find their number...I think their
in Michigan...try web search...I found them once before).
They sell a kit that gives you two computers for control...Your stock
computer controls the xmission while a new mustang computer controls the
engine via input from new mass air sensor.

Other option....California trucks with the 5.0 and the 5.8 were mass air in
96. I have called a California dealership & with some social engineering,
they will sell you everything you need to go Mass Air. Problem is, as far
as I can tell, no one has tested it (and, no one seems to know if there are
any other differences in the Cali. trucks that would cause a problem with
the swap).

I got frustrated & just supercharged my Bronco last month. Now I have
plenty of power without needing mass air.

Last wrinkle...C&M has a computer re-programmer called the CALIBRATOR. So
far they are just making it for the EEC-IV mustangs, but Mike Wesley says
Trucks are next (E4OD!!!). It could be a while...BUT (here's the good
part), IT ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR MASS AIR CONVERSION! You can reprogram
the built in look up tables (which contain stock engine info) with your own
tables of modified engine info. In his trials, speed density mustangs
(pre-89) were FASTER than mass air mustangs!. So I'll sit around and wait.
Maybe by then, I'll rebuild the 351 with some more go fast parts!

steve

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:42:00 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Quit whining

Edward A Arkin wrote:
>
> Re Tom C wait 'til ya add a girlfriend to your list--
> its even harder,
> i mean more diffacult to do everything you wanna do
>
I guess you could lump that under "time consuming hobbies"..... so
far I have avoided that kind of trouble.

:)---%
(self portrait, nude)

TC

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:26:31 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Spray-on bed liners

Steven McCullough wrote:
>
> Anyone had any experience with these spray-in rubber coatings
> used as bed liners. At first I thought it was a bad idea, but
> I saw one the other day on another truck and the rubber was dyed
> to match the color of the truck - I thought it looked pretty nice.
>
> Any thoughts? Typical prices?

I have also been looking into the spray on liners. They seem to run
about twice the price of a drop in bedliner here in Portland. Knew
someone who had it done to his truck. The only bad thing I could see
was that he kept getting air bubbles. They were warranted by the
installer, but after 2 trips back he lived with them.

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:38:57 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: F-250

MR JOSH J TENNEY wrote:
>
> JJ,
>
> I have spec'd an F-250 to your specs and I have a price of $29,000.
> The dealer that quoted you $300.00 over dealer invoice may not show
> you the invoice when it comes in and may try to screw you out of some
> money. I quote you this price regardless of dealer invoice or if the
> price level may change which means a dealer price increase. You may
> want to ask the dealer exactly what the price will be to compare with
> my price. Please get back to me soon. The window for ordering is
> closing soon.


Get your price before the dealer orders your truck!!!! Check the
Kelly Blue book site and get the dealer's cost on all of your options.
Don't forget that the dealer gets a 3% "hold-back" based on the MSRP
less the destination charge. Even if the dealer sold to you at
"invoice" he would still make a buck or 2. The only thing you might
miss out on by ordering the truck are some of the incentives that a
lot truck might be subject to. These totalled about $2500 on my
truck. Fortunately, the dealer had a truck I could live with right
there.

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:31:53 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: splash

I am looking at bedliners, etc. If I get a bedliner, I think I'll get
the "under rail" type. I think that 8" plastic lip of the
over-the-rail type looks unsightly. I am concerned with protecting
that area though. It seems that the Splash trucks have a matte black
coating(?) around the rail of their beds. My local Ford parts guy is
not inspired enough to figure out whether or not it is paint or a
sticker. Anyone have this kind of info?

gracias,

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:10:25 -0700
From: Brian Pynn
Subject: RE: splash

Hi Thom...just bought myself a 97 Ranger XL S/Cab with a 3.0L. Perhaps
I'll think differently if I try to pull any substantial load with
it...but as far as normal get-up-and-go driving...I find it has plenty
of pep. Are you the 3 or 4 litre, and do you feel the horsepower is
adequate? I've been surprised to see so many complaints about
horsepower with the V6; so many guys wanting to get new filters,
headers, chips, etc. to boost performance. Seems like a waste of money
to me for a 5-10$ boost in HP and torque.

> ----------
> From: Thom Cheney[SMTP:tcgrafx imagina.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 1997 6:31 AM
> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Subject: splash
>
> I am looking at bedliners, etc. If I get a bedliner, I think I'll get
>
> the "under rail" type. I think that 8" plastic lip of the
> over-the-rail type looks unsightly. I am concerned with protecting
> that area though. It seems that the Splash trucks have a matte black
> coating(?) around the rail of their beds. My local Ford parts guy is
> not inspired enough to figure out whether or not it is paint or a
> sticker. Anyone have this kind of info?
>
> gracias,
>
> Thom Cheney
> '97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX
>
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:44:00 +0000
From: "John Thomas Taylor"
Subject: Re: Good News!

what the hell is TPS?

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:22:40 -0600
From: Jim Lujan
Subject: Re: F-250

>We have decieded to order the 1997 F-250. Are there any other options that we >might want, or somthing that we have but might not want?
>
>
>F250 HD 4x4 Supercab XLT shortbox
>power stroke
>5 speed
>4.10 gears
>Camper/trailer tow package
>Heavy duty front & Rear suspension
>High Altitude use
>Manual locking hubs
>Block Heater
>Sliding rear window
>Electric Mirrors
>privacy glass
>auxilary idle control
>Rear Step Bumper
>License Plate Bracket
>
>Thanks Much
>
> JJ

JJ,

Just to interject some comments having just gone through this a few months ago.

I agree with earlier comments. If you intend to pull a 5th wheel, a long bed
is easier to turn in tight situations. Otherwise, it might hit the cab.
However, I think Reese makes a sliding hitch for short bed trucks just to
solve this problem.

Electric Mirrors are neat, but if you pull trailers you might need the extended
mirrors as well. We went with the RV mirror package, rather than having two
sets of mirrors.

I'm not positive about this, but I didn't think that there was a high altitude
use on the Power Stoke model.

The block heater may come as part of another package, but it is worthwhile in
real cold weather situations.

The only other comment about your wish list is the auxilary idle control.
If you intended to put an electric winch on the front, this is worthwhile.
Otherwise, you may not use it. Oh and as far as winches are concerned...
Warn makes a nice bumper package for the Power Stroke called the Enforcer.
I have a M12000 in an Enforcer with the 4X lights. It is nice and clean!

One option you didn't mention with the 4.10 back-end was limited slip.
Comes in real handy unless you plan to put in an aftermarket locker.

The F-350 with limited slip comes front and rear.

Best of luck, and whatever you do, make the dealer work for your business.
These trucks are in high demand, but you shouldn't have to pay more than
say $500 over invoice to get one.

Jim Lujan

1997 F-350 Power Stroke Crew Cab LB

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:51:17
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: 88 F150 hsrd shifting

THere've been several comments lately from late 80's owners of AOD F150's
which shift hard from 1 to 2 under light load. We just finished a
mini-rebuild on my son's 88 302 and getting everything on the engine
working correctly again (blown out, replaced, hooked up) made this shift
easier, but..... (and I don't know why I didn't think of this) a mechanic
(one that knows something?) offered that on these vintage of trucks you
should only use OD on the road and keep in in "D' around town. Says they
are subject to expensive rebuilds cause of a 'smallish' OD unit and a
propensity by the computer to shift it into OD early. He went on to say the
later truck AOD's have a much bigger -physically- OD unit. I think I've
heard this before, any confirmation out there? Any way, my son started
leaving it in "D" around town and the hard shifting has gone away. BTW,
these differ from later models (my 95 for example) in having the "OD" and
"D" positions on the column shifter, while the later models have PRnD21 and
the OD button is on the end of the shifter.
Any thoughts?
Dave Lampert

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:53:57
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: GOOD NEWS!

Charlie Biggs wrote that his son had replaced on a hunch, the tps on his
4.9 and it had resolved drivabiltiy issues.
Question: what in the world led you to that? Just one more thing on the
list to replace? I need to go check a couple of them here!
Dave Lampert

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:47:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: BILLPEGZ aol.com
Subject: Re: F-250

Reese short bed hitch can't be moved with weight on it. Trailer must be
lifted and then the hitch can be moved. Its only good for manuevering in a
campsite. My short bed was lifted up in front and almost cam off the ground
when the trailer was hitched uo. Went to a long bed and have trailered 40K
with no problem. When buying a diesel for trailering an exhaust brake should
be installed. In fact one should be factory installed. Its criminal of Ford
and other diesel providers to not install them as standard equipment on a
diesel truck.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:17:34 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: splash

Brian Pynn wrote:
>
> Hi Thom...just bought myself a 97 Ranger XL S/Cab with a 3.0L. Perhaps
> I'll think differently if I try to pull any substantial load with
> it...but as far as normal get-up-and-go driving...I find it has plenty
> of pep. Are you the 3 or 4 litre, and do you feel the horsepower is
> adequate? I've been surprised to see so many complaints about
> horsepower with the V6; so many guys wanting to get new filters,
> headers, chips, etc. to boost performance. Seems like a waste of money
> to me for a 5-10$ boost in HP and torque.
>


Hey Brian,

I got the 4.0 with my truck. After leaving a 22RE Toyota this seems
like way much power. I don't pull much either. Most of my loads are
camping/fishing equipment or some choice agates from my rockhounding
expeditions. I am still babying it a little since it is new. Once I
get 1k under the odometer I will start revving a bit more. I do think
this engine offers more power than it is letting on. Toyota sells a
2.7 liter 4 cyl. that makes 150 hp. That's about what your 3.0 puts
out. I may look into a K&N filter when the time comes to change the
stocker.... other than that I think this truck will stay pretty stock.
I'm saving my performance dollars to throw at an early Bronco :)

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX

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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:29:44 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: F-250

BILLPEGZ aol.com wrote:
>
> If you ever intend to pulla 5th wheel trailer the short bed will stop you. I
> pull a 5th wheel Avion. I had a short bed and had to trade it for a long
> bed.

I don't know where you are coming from on this, but, there are
lots of people out there pulling 5ers with short bed trucks. If
you don't believe me check out the rec.outdoors.rv-travel
newsgroup. A friend of mine just bought a new 5er and a short
box truck and loves it. If you are worried about sharp turns,
you can get a sliding hitch so that you can move the hitch back
in the truck for maneuvering and the move it forward again for
towing. Also one wants to remember that those utility beds are
heavy. Don't want to overloadthe rig too much. Paul in Portland
OR

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:29:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: BILLPEGZ aol.com
Subject: Re: F-250

To Paul in Oregon: When myshort bedfront endalmost came of thegroundin the
dealers lot i was convinced that I didn't want topullthe 5er with it. The
new 5ers have a slanted hitch which allows more manuevering room. If you
just think of the physics of a lever you can understand why a short bed and a
5er are not compatable. Trailer dsell them and that reese hitch but they
don't drive them.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:14:42 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: 1997 vs 1999 F350 CrewCab7.3L powerstroke

>Claude King[SMTP:Claude-King worldnet.att.net] wrote:
>
>I've been monitoring all the chat about the new fords, looked at the new
>photo's on the Powerstroke page, looks like first of October is last order
>date for 1997's and 1999 won't deliver until March or April 98.
>
>So my I'd like to hear the pros and cons of buy now or wait, I'll be
>ordering not taking a dealer lot truck.

I might be missing something here, but it sounds like you are assuming
there will not be a 1998 model F350. If that is your assumption, I
think you are wrong. The present body style will be available as a 1998
model and will be available in stock and for order beginning in October
through next September. In other words, you do not have to buy a truck
before October to get the "old style". As you say, the 1999 model F350
will have all the new changes and will be available in March or April
98. So from March until September '98, both models will be stocked and
sold by Ford dealers. This is the same way Ford introduced the 1997
F150. The new truck was available in March of 1996 but people that
preferred the old body style could still buy it as a 1996 model until
September of 1996. Like I said, everyone may be aware of this but it
was not apparent from the posts I have been seeing so I wanted to
clarify.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:58:52, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: splash

Thom,

Hola senor, como estan usted?

Well anyway, my brother has a splash and I took a peek at the rails
for you and they seem to screw or bolt to the top of the bed rails
and the edge of the tailgate (looks like a protector). These are
molded pieces of plastic that look a lot better than an over the rail
liner.

Josh

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:08:19 -0400
From: Frank Nesbitt
Subject: 5th Wheel Questions

I am looking into a 5th wheel (26 foot)setup for camping. I have a 92
F-150 XLT with the 302 V-8. The truck is a short bed standard cab. I have
question concerning the 5th wheel setup on a short wheel base. Bill Zwaan
responded to someone ordering a F-250 about the short bed would stop them
from pulling a 5th wheel, why? Is this something I need to forget about?
Would a travel trailer be better suited for this truck?

Thanks for the help
Frank Nesbitt

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:16:47 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: splash

The September '97 Sport Truck magazine has a nice article in Shop Talk
entitled "Self-serve Bed Coating". There is a product called Truck Bed
Coating available from Dupli-Color (a sherwin-williams/diversified Brands
company). It comes in a spray can. There are instructions on the can.
Average: 6 cans per bed. In the mag: 10. Cost: $6.99 - $7.99. If you
have a chance to get this mag, it tells you how and has pictures too. One
added touch they did was to recoat the bed bolts with a silver enamel
paint. The protected truck was a ranger, which they said 10 cans.Looks
nice! I want to do it, but I don't have the money. If you do, I say go
for it, the results are spectacular and $80.00 for a Do it yourselfer job
is a lot cheaper than the %450 or so they want at Ziebart!

Thom Cheney wrote:

> I am looking at bedliners, etc. If I get a bedliner, I think I'll get
> the "under rail" type. I think that 8" plastic lip of the
> over-the-rail type looks unsightly. I am concerned with protecting
> that area though. It seems that the Splash trucks have a matte black
> coating(?) around the rail of their beds. My local Ford parts guy is
> not inspired enough to figure out whether or not it is paint or a
> sticker. Anyone have this kind of info?
>
> gracias,
>
> Thom Cheney
> '97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:25:49 -0700
From: Don Lewoniuk
Subject: Re: 5th Wheel Questions

Frank Nesbitt wrote:
>
> I am looking into a 5th wheel (26 foot)setup for camping. I have a 92
> F-150 XLT with the 302 V-8. The truck is a short bed standard cab. I have
> question concerning the 5th wheel setup on a short wheel base. Bill Zwaan....


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