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fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, September 12 1997 Volume 01 : Number 108



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In this issue:

Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP? [Jerad Heffner ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #105 ["Mike Jones"]
Electric Fan Conversions (was: Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?) [James Feder]
Re: 1993 F250 Ford that rumbles [BigDogF250 aol.com]
Re: Superchargers ["Stephen M. Brown" ]
RE: PowerStroke Oil Leak [Larry Smeins ]
Re: Ford V-8` [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP? [Thom Cheney ]
RE:Order window closed on 1997's? [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
RE: PowerStroke Oil Leak [David Hertzberg ]
87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles [Timothy P Fagrey
RE: 1990 F150 STRAIGHT 6 - 4.9L RUNNING RUFF [Timothy P Fagrey
87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles [Timothy P Fagrey
RE: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles [Steven McCullough

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:28:25 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?

I think I said 4.0 from '87 or newer, and you are probably right, it wasn't in
cars yet. I was reading posts about 4.0L V6s and when I typed the message about
swapping a V6, i forgot about the 2.9L that I was going to ask about originally
and said 4.0L.
Sorry



ILuvTruks aol.com wrote:

> Hey, JJ,
> Just want to help out with the engine swap. I have an 86 Bronco II, same
> size engine compartement as you, but I have the 2.9L EFI. I am VERY pleased
> with the perforemance of this engine. I have had only a few minor problems so
> far, a they were scares if anything, and they were all age replacements. It
> will be getting a re-build soon, but that is just because the trans needs it.
> Otherwise, it is still going strong as well with around 150,000 miles. To
> answer your question, the 4.0 should fit. I haven't done it or personaly
> seen one in a Ranger/Bronco II but I saw a web site with it and the '91
> ranger trans. in an 88 Bronco II.
> My next comment goes out to anyone because I'm not sure exactly. I don't
> want to sound like an idiot, but what had the 4.0 in 87? My understanding
> was that it didn't really start until the explorers around 90 or 91. That is
> when they got rid of the Bronco II :-((((( and replaced it with a yuppier
> looking explorer and added 4-door option with it. I kind of like the
> explorer front end, grille set up, but I think it looks much better chrome on
> a Bronco II. I still like the 80's era Bronco II/Ranger set-up even better,
> though. Anyway, that's a whole other topic.
> In a nutshell, Yes, the 4.0 should fit, and what had the 4.0 in 87?
> Later,
> Clay
> 86 Bronco II 4x4 XLT 2.9L EFI
>
> >y, I was just wondering about the HP increases. Is a K&N
> >filter worth the money in a 2.3L Ranger? Any other cheap fixes? BTW,
> >about how much are '87 and newer 4.0L V-6's selling for? Is it very
> >difficult to swap a 4.0L into a 2.3L? I'd appreciate any responses.
> >Thanks>>>>
> >
> >Jerad Heffner
> >'84 Ranger
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:15:04 -0400
From: "Mike Jones"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #105

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:18:41 -6000
From: "Patrick Vanderlind"
Subject: Re: 1993 F250 Ford that rumbles
> From: BILLPEGZ aol.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:40:00 -0400 (EDT)
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: 1993 F250 Ford that rumbles
> Reply-to: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> My truck is a 1993 F250 7.3 liter diesel with 2 wheel drive. I have a
> rumbling front end and have replaced shocks at all four wheels. Replaced
a
> cracked rotor and have replaced the drag arm. I had the tires rotated
and
> balanced. Checked brakes and relubricated the hinge points with
neverseize.
> I had the front end alignment checked and brought into alignment. It
was
> slightly off on the right side. There is no play in the steering wheel
when
> on a lift any movement of one wheel results in the same movement of both
the
> other wheel and the steering wheel. I also have examined both front
wheel
> bearings and have had them repacked. The right front tire jumps all over
at
> 55 mph and stops at about 68 mph. I don't know what to do next.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can give me. The truck is an extended cab
with a
> 4.10 rear and is used to tow a 5th wheel trailer. It has 81K miles on it
and
> runs like a race horse. Except for this problem it has been a faithful
> truck.
>
> Bill Z
Bill Z,
I had an '89 f250 Xcab Diesel 2wd 3:55 do the same thing. I rotated
the tires, new shocks, alignment etc... I had the tires off of the
truck on a spin balance machine and noticed when I spun them they
were out of round (center of the rim was not concentric with the
outside). I felt I to had tryied everything to get rid of the rumble
so this had to be it! I went to a wheel company and bought 2 new
steel rims to fit. I put the same tires on the new rims and balanced
them. this cured the problem. I took it on vacation the next week out
west (5000 mi round trip) and had no problems.
Good luck~

This is pretty common, unfortunately. I experienced the same thing with an
'87 F-250 460 4.10 LS and w/ my '96 Power Stroke. Tire balancing should be
done using lug hole adapters, and not hub adapters for Ford trucks since
the wheels are not 'hub-centric'. When on the truck, the wheels are
centered on the axle by the lugs and not the hubs. The hub hole may or may
not be perfectly in the center of the wheel. By mounting the wheel on the
balancing machine via the hub, you run the risk of a very bad balance job.

I just went through this when I took my '96 in for a balance job and got
the truck back with the biggest weights (and the worst balance) I've ever
seen. Ended up going to a shop that knew what it was doing, and problem
went away.

Good luck. Mike J.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:28:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Federline
Subject: Electric Fan Conversions (was: Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?)

On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 silent.bob juno.com wrote:
>
> Okay, here is a quick fix; new headers, new cat, and replace your muffler
> with a Flowmaster. And I think there is an electric fan out there
> called the Flex-A-Lite-II that will fit a Ranger. You can also put some
> new 3.45 or 3.73 rear end gears in as well.

Does there exist such an electric fan conversion for later Ranger 2.3L
models? Specifically, I'd be interested in something ready to install
on a '96.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:50:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: Re: 1993 F250 Ford that rumbles

Bill,
Check to make sure your wheels are not out of round, this very well could be
your problem.

Matt 92 F250 5.8L 4x4 6" lift

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:35:50 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: Re: Superchargers

I went with the Kenne Bell twin screw supercharger for my 95 5.8L.
My recommendation is to get brochures from all the companies & talk to
their tech reps (Kenne Bell is 909-941-6646).

General observations:

A 6lb boost kit should not be any problem for the engine. More boost would
require race fuel or timing retard. The E4OD transmission shifts at 4500
RPM anyway. Mustangs that use 6lb kits on the 5.0 will rev em to 6500
RPM...I think we are a lot safer.
Budget an entire weekend for the install if you do it yourself. It took me
17 hours (I am definitely no mechanic).
You gotta use 92-93 octane fuel NO MATTER WHAT.
Their will be some additional noise.
You will get lower mpg if you stomp the pedal (i got 11mpg when I took a
tank of gas to
see what the supercharger could do).

steve

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:03:19 -0600
From: Larry Smeins
Subject: RE: PowerStroke Oil Leak

> ----------
>From: Jay Chlebowski[SMTP:club inlink.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 8:18 PM
>To: fordtrucks80up ListService.netson.se;
cummins hpukldh.cup.hp.com
>Subject: PowerStroke Oil Leak

>Howdy All!

>I've got a somewhat small oil leak (about 1/4-1/2 quart over
3000 miles)
>on my 97 PowerStroke (with 13,000 miles) that, while not
>life-threatening, seems a bit odd. It's supposed to go into
the shop on
>Monday, and I need some clues to provide the service manager
with, lest
>they just start guessing (as is standard practice).

>Anyway, the leak seems to be right around the seal between the
block >and
>the oil pan, and is located right below the lowest pulley (I
guess that's
>the crankshaft pulley) on the front of the engine. There are
two steel
>lines that come into the block from the driver's side of the
engine right
>around this point, and they are coated in a tar/grease
substance and very
>slowly drip engine oil onto the pan and front frame
crossmember. Not so
>much oil that I even get a drop on the garage floor, but enough
to make
>an oily mess down in that area.

>I know there are some TSB's out there concerning slight leaks
from the
>second-stage oil pump (that powers the HEUI injectors), but I
can't tell
>what these two lines due, or if they come from the pump (it
would seem
>that the second-stage lines would go to the heads).

>So, my question is: anyone seen this before, or have any ideas?
The
>PowerStroke, while it is a wonderful engine, is somewhat
complex, and is
>definitely "stuffed" into the Ford engine-bay and frame.
There's not
>alot of room to scope things out, so I need as much info as
possible.

>Thanx & Best Regards,
>Jay


Jay:
I don't know if this is applicable but my suggestion is to look for a
place where the steel line may be rubbing on something. I had a similar
experience with my 95 with the steel lines on the power steering pump.
The line had a pin hole worn into it by the rubbing. Took the dealer
two trys to fix it even after I told them exactly where it was.

Good luck.

Larry
If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:13:44, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: Ford V-8`

352? Has anyone ever heard of that engine? I know I have. We have a
'64 Galaxie Convertible with a 352 and an auto. We also have a '66 F-
250 4x4 with only 9,400 original miles on it and it has a 352 with a
4 speed. We used to have a '65 F-250 4x4 with only 21,000 original
miles on it and it had a 352 with a 4 speed. We just can't seem to
stay away from that engine. Damn strong engine though.

Josh

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:12:55 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?

Jerad Heffner wrote:
>
> It's pretty bad when you reply to your own e-mails!
>
> What about the 2.9L? There's also the 2.8, but problems with the lifters abound,
> so i've been told. I believe the '86 and newer models could have the 2.9 V6?
> Anyone have HP numbers on that? and maybe gas milage too?
>


If you are going to all the trouble of a major swap, I would go with
the 302. Parts galore are available for this engine and it can be
built to any degree of nastiness that you can imagine. Don't bother
with the woosie 2.9L....it was never a really stellar performer
anyway. I still think there would be suspension and cooling
ramifications to this swap.... all my friends who have swapped in
302's into their 6 cyl. Broncos have found it neccesary to beef the
springs, shocks, etc. and get a bigger radiator.


What was the whining about school, girlfiend, etc!?!?

How about, full time & part time job, wife, kid, several time
consuming hobbies, house and yard!?!?! Grow up... life doesn't get
easier after school!!!

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger 4X4 S-cab STX

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:30:47, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE:Order window closed on 1997's?

The window for orders close in the first week of Oct. I don't know
if the 351 is still available. The window is for diesels.

Josh

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 12:11:56 PDT
From: David Hertzberg
Subject: RE: PowerStroke Oil Leak

How's about tightening the bolts holding the oil pan to the block? You'd be
surprised how many bolts and fasteners eventually come loose on a diesel.
>
>
>> ----------
> >From: Jay Chlebowski[SMTP:club inlink.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 8:18 PM
> >To: fordtrucks80up ListService.netson.se;
>cummins hpukldh.cup.hp.com
> >Subject: PowerStroke Oil Leak
>
> >Howdy All!
>
> >I've got a somewhat small oil leak (about 1/4-1/2 quart over
>3000 miles)
> >on my 97 PowerStroke (with 13,000 miles) that, while not
> >life-threatening, seems a bit odd. It's supposed to go into
>the shop on
> >Monday, and I need some clues to provide the service manager
>with, lest
> >they just start guessing (as is standard practice).
>
> >Anyway, the leak seems to be right around the seal between the
>block >and
> >the oil pan, and is located right below the lowest pulley (I
>guess that's
> >the crankshaft pulley) on the front of the engine. There are
>two steel
> >lines that come into the block from the driver's side of the
>engine right
> >around this point, and they are coated in a tar/grease
>substance and very
> >slowly drip engine oil onto the pan and front frame
>crossmember. Not so
> >much oil that I even get a drop on the garage floor, but enough
>to make
> >an oily mess down in that area.
>
> >I know there are some TSB's out there concerning slight leaks
>from the
> >second-stage oil pump (that powers the HEUI injectors), but I
>can't tell
> >what these two lines due, or if they come from the pump (it
>would seem
> >that the second-stage lines would go to the heads).
>
> >So, my question is: anyone seen this before, or have any ideas?
>The
> >PowerStroke, while it is a wonderful engine, is somewhat
>complex, and is
> >definitely "stuffed" into the Ford engine-bay and frame.
>There's not
> >alot of room to scope things out, so I need as much info as
>possible.
>
> >Thanx & Best Regards,
> >Jay
>
>
>Jay:
>I don't know if this is applicable but my suggestion is to look for a
>place where the steel line may be rubbing on something. I had a similar
>experience with my 95 with the steel lines on the power steering pump.
>The line had a pin hole worn into it by the rubbing. Took the dealer
>two trys to fix it even after I told them exactly where it was.
>
>Good luck.
>
>Larry
>If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.
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David and Leila Hertzberg
Greystoke Farm
Gaithersburg, Maryland
301-482-0016
ACdhertz us-state.osis.gov


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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:26:34 -0700
From: Timothy P Fagrey
Subject: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles

you wrote:

I know that this has been mentioned on this list before, but I really paid no
attention to the responses because it wasn't relevant to me. Now that I have
to help a friend out with this problem, I will pay more attention.

The truck is an 87 F-150 2wd 4.9L with the dual gas tanks. The problem is
thatthe truck always gets its gas from the front tank, no matter what
position the switch is in. The switch does cause the gauge to register the
appropriate reading for the tank it's set to. It has been like this for
about 2 years. I believe that, before this, the truck would draw from the
front until empty and then begin drawing from the rear, with the switch
remaining in the front position, which also doesn't sound like it was working
correctly. Any suggestions on where to start here? The back tank has been
full for most of this time (I don't know why my friend never drained it) and
it's a shame to see that capacity go to waste.

Thanks in advance,
Todd

Todd,
I have a 4.9L 6 1990 F150 2wd and have a somewhat same problem - when
one tank is empty, I switch over to the other one. The gauge registers full after
switch over but the tank gauge declines rather quickly to the level of the original
tank - I then switch back and the first tank reads full. I then proceed to use the
fuel from the second tank. It seems as though the empty tank fills from the full one.
Anyone with some clues?

Tim,

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:28:38 -0700
From: Timothy P Fagrey
Subject: RE: 1990 F150 STRAIGHT 6 - 4.9L RUNNING RUFF

Thanks,
I will check this out. A friend also told me to change the
oxygen sensor.

- ----------
From: Jim Cannon[SMTP:cannon zapware.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 8:54 PM
To: Timothy P Fagrey
Subject: 1990 F150 STRAIGHT 6 - 4.9L RUNNING RUFF

You wrote:

To anyone who has had the same symptoms or can give me some
pointers
on this engine. I just purchased this truck and did a tune-up on it - =
changed the spark plug wires also but still runs ruff. It has 110k =
miles on it. It seems to run fine
in acceleration but under normal running it runs ruff. It also is =
getting low gas mileage - 15 mpg.

- --
I suggest you investigate a leaky EGR valve. It will hurt mpg and is not
a factor in hard accelleration (usually, unless really bad).


- --

Jim Cannon
Certified Quantum Mechanic
Houston, Texas
"Didja hear the one about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac?
He tossed and turned all night wondering if there really was a dog."

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:26:34 -0700
From: Timothy P Fagrey
Subject: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles

you wrote:

I know that this has been mentioned on this list before, but I really paid no
attention to the responses because it wasn't relevant to me. Now that I have
to help a friend out with this problem, I will pay more attention.

The truck is an 87 F-150 2wd 4.9L with the dual gas tanks. The problem is
thatthe truck always gets its gas from the front tank, no matter what
position the switch is in. The switch does cause the gauge to register the
appropriate reading for the tank it's set to. It has been like this for
about 2 years. I believe that, before this, the truck would draw from the
front until empty and then begin drawing from the rear, with the switch
remaining in the front position, which also doesn't sound like it was working
correctly. Any suggestions on where to start here? The back tank has been
full for most of this time (I don't know why my friend never drained it) and
it's a shame to see that capacity go to waste.

Thanks in advance,
Todd

Todd,
I have a 4.9L 6 1990 F150 2wd and have a somewhat same problem - when
one tank is empty, I switch over to the other one. The gauge registers full after
switch over but the tank gauge declines rather quickly to the level of the original
tank - I then switch back and the first tank reads full. I then proceed to use the
fuel from the second tank. It seems as though the empty tank fills from the full one.
Anyone with some clues?

Tim,

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:36:09 -0500
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: RE: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles

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Say, there was a recall concerning cross-filling on many dual tank
ford pickups. I experienced the same problems as you except
one day my truck would just dump fuel from one tank to another
while running - that can be a dangerous situation if both are
full and you get overflow. My dealer put some backflow preventers
on each pump (thats the recall) . I know they did it on my '90 and
my dads '93. If you sweet talk your dealer, they will also replace
a defective pump and only charge you for the pump (no labor) when
they do the recall. I had one fuel pump (in-tank) replaced at the time
and have since replaced the other on my own ($150 each -ouch).

Unfortunately, the pump system was changed in 1990 (I think) to
the high pressure single pump in each tank - I'm pretty sure that
the 87 models are different, but I could be wrong. Tell your
dealer that its cross-filling. I think that warrants enough of
a safety concern for them to fix it.

Steven McCullough
- -----Original Message-----
From: Timothy P Fagrey [SMTP:timothy.p.fagrey wdc.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 12:27 PM
To: 'muccilli sol.rutgers.edu'
Cc: 'fordtrucks80up listservice.net'
Subject: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles

you wrote:

I know that this has been mentioned on this list before, but I really paid no
attention to the responses because it wasn't relevant to me. Now that I have
to help a friend out with this problem, I will pay more attention.

The truck is an 87 F-150 2wd 4.9L with the dual gas tanks. The problem is
thatthe truck always gets its gas from the front tank, no matter what
position the switch is in. The switch does cause the gauge to register the
appropriate reading for the tank it's set to. It has been like this for
about 2 years. I believe that, before this, the truck would draw from the
front until empty and then begin drawing from the rear, with the switch
remaining in the front position, which also doesn't sound like it was working
correctly. Any suggestions on where to start here? The back tank has been
full for most of this time (I don't know why my friend never drained it) and
it's a shame to see that capacity go to waste.

Thanks in advance,
Todd

Todd,
I have a 4.9L 6 1990 F150 2wd and have a somewhat same problem - when
one tank is empty, I switch over to the other one. The gauge registers full after
switch over but the tank gauge declines rather quickly to the level of the original
tank - I then switch back and the first tank reads full. I then proceed to use the
fuel from the second tank. It seems as though the empty tank fills from the full one.
Anyone with some clues?

Tim,




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