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fordtrucks80up-digest Thursday, September 11 1997 Volume 01 : Number 105



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In this issue:

87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles ["Todd A. Muccilli"
Re: Ford Red Carpet Lease [Bill Funk ]
Re:4.0 swap into a 2.3 Ranger [toerne juno.com]
Re: 4.0 swap into a 2.3 Ranger [Jerad Heffner ]
Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #103 ["Mike Jones"]
Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP? [Thom Cheney ]
Re: prices [Thom Cheney ]
Transmission temp sensor location [Larry Smeins ]
Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS [John Yee ]
Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10: Can we say economy? [Joe Maleski
1993 F250 Ford that rumbles [BILLPEGZ aol.com]
Re: 1993 F250 Ford that rumbles ["Patrick Vanderlind"
5.0L fuel mileage ["Grady Byram" ]
Need advice on F-150 "front-end sag" ["Grady Byram" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #103 [Paul Laughlin ]
Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP? [Jerad Heffner ]
What I have learned: ["Irvine Bruce" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #99 [GOREGER aol.com]
'99 F350 front axle ["Dudley H. Wright" ]
Re: Ford V-8` [PhilDyson aol.com]

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 7:53:05 EDT
From: "Todd A. Muccilli"
Subject: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles

I know that this has been mentioned on this list before, but I really paid no
attention to the responses because it wasn't relevant to me. Now that I have
to help a friend out with this problem, I will pay more attention.

The truck is an 87 F-150 2wd 4.9L with the dual gas tanks. The problem is
thatthe truck always gets its gas from the front tank, no matter what
position the switch is in. The switch does cause the gauge to register the
appropriate reading for the tank it's set to. It has been like this for
about 2 years. I believe that, before this, the truck would draw from the
front until empty and then begin drawing from the rear, with the switch
remaining in the front position, which also doesn't sound like it was working
correctly. Any suggestions on where to start here? The back tank has been
full for most of this time (I don't know why my friend never drained it) and
it's a shame to see that capacity go to waste.

Thanks in advance,
Todd

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:01:01 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: Ford Red Carpet Lease

> From: tglundy juno.com (Tim g Lundy)
> Subject: Consumer Alert on Ford Red Carpet Lease purchased AT WALKER
> FORD FL.
>
> On one Sunday afternoon I and my family were involved in a collision
> that
> lead my 1996 explorer to roll over on its side.
> I had the dealer tow the vehicle to there body shop, for State Farm to
>
> inspect the damage. State Farm wants to total the vehicle as per my
> wishes. Walker Ford wants to fix it. So they ordered a full body
> without
> our written permission. I was told that I would have to pay a
> restocking
> fee of $1.200.00 before Walker Ford would release the vehicle to State
>
> Farm. By the way I am still Paying on the LEASE till the dealer
> Releases
> the vehicle. I contacted FORD MOTOR CO. And They said take it up with
> the
> DEALER. So don't be leave what there brochures say. This has been
> going
> on for a month now, So beware of that lease.......

You might be well advised to seek the advice of a lawyer.
While you are buying the insurance, you are not the owner or buyer of
the vehicle, and the insurance must usually follow the wishes of the
owner/buyer. In a lease, this becomes a clouded issue.
It would seem to me (I'm not a lawyer) that you shouldn't be liable for
a re-stocking fee if they ordered the body in their own, but then,
that's what lawyers are for.
Good luck
Bill Funk

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:25:33 -0500
From: toerne juno.com
Subject: Re:4.0 swap into a 2.3 Ranger

The person asking about putting a 4.0 into a 2.3 Ranger shouldn't! Do a
302 conversion using Maverick or Comet V8 exhaust manifolds and a C-5
auto transmission. It fits perfectly using "V-8 Conversions" motor
mounts. Some radiator mods will also be required.
If you put a 4.0 in an 89 or older Ranger (and probably newer) you will
need COMPLETE wiring diagrams and schematics from both vehicles and the
computer and as much of under hood, chassis, and dash wiring as you can
get from the donor truck. Wiring colors don't match. Basic dashboard
functions are not plug in and require a lot of splicing. I've been
involved with both conversions.....the V-8 is easier, faster, lest
costly, and delivers a lot more fun. V-8/C5 conversion costs about
$1000, 4.0/4AOD costs close to $2,000.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:34:48 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: 4.0 swap into a 2.3 Ranger

Geez louise! well. . . Since I have the 2.3 L now, I'll need a stronger,
heavier-duty tranny, differential, and other stuff, won't I? I've never
done anything serious as far as automotive work goes. . I'm learning, but
don't have much opportunity. I'm 18, and with school, a part time job, a
girlfriend, and other activities, it gets kind of hard. But thanx for the
info, I sure appreciate it.

Hmmm, V8, yeah. . ar, ar, ar, Poweeer! Vroooooom!

:)
Jerad Heffner

toerne juno.com wrote:

> The person asking about putting a 4.0 into a 2.3 Ranger shouldn't! Do a
> 302 conversion using Maverick or Comet V8 exhaust manifolds and a C-5
> auto transmission. It fits perfectly using "V-8 Conversions" motor
> mounts. Some radiator mods will also be required.
> If you put a 4.0 in an 89 or older Ranger (and probably newer) you will
> need COMPLETE wiring diagrams and schematics from both vehicles and the
> computer and as much of under hood, chassis, and dash wiring as you can
> get from the donor truck. Wiring colors don't match. Basic dashboard
> functions are not plug in and require a lot of splicing. I've been
> involved with both conversions.....the V-8 is easier, faster, lest
> costly, and delivers a lot more fun. V-8/C5 conversion costs about
> $1000, 4.0/4AOD costs close to $2,000.
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:04:41, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys

Ryan,

The tranny in power strokes and in 460's are ZF transmissions. The
are a much more heavy duty tranny. Yes, you are correct, the Mazda
tranny was used with the 351, but only for a few years.

Josh

KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:14:52 -0400
From: "Mike Jones"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #103

>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:29:22 -0700
>From: Keith Srb
>Subject: Cruise Control

You wrote:
>Can you tell me what parts I need to get from the wrecking yard? I would
like
>to add Cruise Control to both the 66 F100 and 74 F250, if possible.

I'm 99.99% sure cruise control was not an option on the '66 F-100. (I
owned one for several years, wish I still owned it. Converted it over to
disk brakes and full-floating rear axles from an F-250, but I digress...)
In this case your best bet is good 'ol J.C. Whitney, although you could
still retrofit a factory system. You'd have to change at least the
steering wheel over to a later model, and you'd have to wire it all
yourself or fit the factory wiring harness.

Even with the '74 I would still go the J.C. Whitney route. They work fine
and some of them look good, too. Not entirely sure what parts you'd need
for the factory route. But you'd certainly need:

Actuator/vacuum reservoir (now there's a concept! A reservoir for
nothing!)

Steering wheel (or at least the center pad w/cruise buttons). May need to
change additional parts if the contacts are not present in your original
column.

Cruise control computer and complete wiring harness (wiring harness already
installed perhaps?). With a schematic manual, you could wire it yourself.

Speed sensor (driveshaft-mounted in '74? Does anybody know?)

Brake interrupt switch (and clutch interrupt switch, if manual trans)

Probably not as much help you were hoping for, I know. Sorry! Do what I
do when I get a hair-brained idea like this: Go to a wrecking yard and
poke around and see how it's done. Then you can decide if it's worth it or
not.

Mike J.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:39:59 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?

Jerad Heffner wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a relatively cheap way to get more HP out of the 2.3

> . . anyway, I was just wondering about the HP increases. Is a K&N
> > filter worth the money in a 2.3L Ranger

Good for a couple of notches on the hp stick.

Look at the exhaust system. A header & aftermarket exhaust will also
bump the hp.

> about how much are '87 and newer 4.0L V-6's selling for? Is it very
> difficult to swap a 4.0L into a 2.3L? I'd appreciate any responses.

You could probably do the swap, I would think there would be front
suspension issues, as well as cooling, etc. What about swapping in a
2.3L intercooled turbo motor from an SVO mustang or Merkur? Wouldn't
that be a direct replacement?

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:51:12 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: prices

Max Dooley wrote:

> My '97 is an STX the only difference I guess is that mine is 2WD. I
> still think we both got killer deals.


Definitely. Still sucking in that "new truck smell." Christened mine
with an ORV permit sticker and a trip to the dunes last weekend.
Refrained from jumping....this time!!

TC

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:21:41 -0600
From: Larry Smeins
Subject: Transmission temp sensor location

>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:46:42 -0700
>From: Dave Wheeler
>Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #101

>Hi,

>Have a 97 F250 HD 4x4 Power Stroke with Auto Xmission. Want to install
>a xmission temp. gauge and have question as to where to measure the
>temp. I have heard that the pan is right place and also heard that the
>right place is in the return line from the cooler?

>Whats the opinion of this group, any input will be appreciated!

>Regards Dave Wheeler


I vote for the input line to the cooler. I want to know how hot the oil
is getting in the transmision not how good my cooler is working. Some
installations have two sensors and a switch to select between them.
That way you can get real temp and cooler effectiveness.

Larry
If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:20:30 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS

Some pointers to pictures of the 1999 HD F-350 buried in the text below...


At 04:13 PM 9/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>At 07:33 PM 9/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I am looking for information regarding the 1999 F350 4WD Crew Cab PS. I
>>am trying to decide whether to buy a 1997 now or wait until the 1999's
>>come out. Does anyone know if there are any pictures available of it? I
>>have heard that the rear doors will be smaller than thew doors on the
>>current crew cab. Is this true. I would be interested in any opinions as
>>to whether the 1999's supposed to be a better truck.
>
>I'll let someone else answer the question about a 97 vs. 99 being a better
>truck...
>
>I personally am holding out for a 1999 4-door supercab F-250 that is....

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