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fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, September 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 102



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In this issue:

Re: a warning [Jerad Heffner ]
RE: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10 [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENN]
Re: a warning [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
EXPLORERS & BRONCOS ["Stephen M. Brown" ]
EXPLORERS & BRONCOS ["Stephen M. Brown" ]
87 F150 rocker panel rust repair.... [Almus Kenter
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #100 ["Mike Jones"]
Re: prices [Thom Cheney ]
A few questions... [Steven McCullough ]
Re: A few questions... [Thom Cheney ]
86 Ranger driveability problem ["Yu, Vince"
Labor time [Richard J Wilson ]
Re: 1996 350 Dually [Joe Maleski ]
Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10 [BigDogF250 aol.com]
RE: Labor time [David Hertzberg ]
Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10 [Jay Chlebowski ]
Re: 87 F150 rocker panel rust repair.... [droberts MIT.EDU (D Robertson)]
Re: A few questions... [Gary Manning ]
RE: A few questions... [Steven McCullough ]

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:12:10 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: a warning

ERI302 aol.com wrote:

> WHAT IS A HOAX MAY I ASK???

It's just a trick or joke. . . as webster puts it, "to trick into believing
or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous"

Hope that helps. ..
Jerad Heffner
'84 Ranger 4x4

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:32:44, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10

Mitch,

Power Stroke is at 215 hp 3000 rpm and 425 lb.-ft. 2000 rpm WOW!

460 V8 EFI is at 245 hp 4000 rpm and 400 lb.-ft. 2200 rpm

Triton V10 is at 265 hp 4250 rpm and 410 lb.-ft 2750 rpm

I have driven each in an Econoline. I made sure to get into the V10
and stomp on it. And it sure does have some torque! I think the V10
is a great improvement over the 460 even though it will be missed.

Josh

KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:49:34 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: a warning

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:07:35 -0400 (EDT) ERI302 aol.com writes:
>WHAT IS A HOAX MAY I ASK???


A Chevy 351



:)

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:51:08 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: EXPLORERS & BRONCOS

Well, admittedly, I am fairly biased cuz I drive a 95 Bronco...

If you're looking for the 90's station wagon, then by all means get the
Explorer. Motor Trend's test of SUV's gave the Explorer the worst rank for
its abilities off road (yet it sold almost 4 times as many units as the
nearest competitor!). It really is just a car made up to look SUV-ish.
The two wheel drive model is even more of a road vehicle. But if that's
what you want, that's ok, I spose. Heck, Kenny Brown makes some suped up
models that are FAST!! & handle pretty well...gotta lower them a bit to
keep body roll down, tho'.

Just figger your gas mileage when you pick an engine....My buddies with
Explorer 4.0's complain cuz they get 14-16 mpg. Figger the 5.0 Explorer
will get even worse. I do well to get 13 mpg in my supercharged 5.8! The
Bronco 5.0 gets around 14-16 supposedly. The ride will be much harsher in
a Bronco. My wife hates driving the Bronco, although she loves riding in
it (likes the ride height)! She is partial toward Explorers also (she'd
have to pry my cold, dead body outta my Bronco!). Bronco's are only 4
wheel drive (thank goodness). The Bronco is harder to get into because of
it's ride height...some side steps can fix that. The Explorer comes in 2
and 4 door models...the Bronco is only 2 door (unless you spend $60,000 on
a Centurion conversion 4-door Bronco).

Anybody else notice that from directly behind, the new Expeditions (and
especially the Lincoln Navigator version) look EXACTLY like MINIVANS!??!
Way to go Ford.

steve

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:51:08 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: EXPLORERS & BRONCOS

Well, admittedly, I am fairly biased cuz I drive a 95 Bronco...

If you're looking for the 90's station wagon, then by all means get the
Explorer. Motor Trend's test of SUV's gave the Explorer the worst rank for
its abilities off road (yet it sold almost 4 times as many units as the
nearest competitor!). It really is just a car made up to look SUV-ish.
The two wheel drive model is even more of a road vehicle. But if that's
what you want, that's ok, I spose. Heck, Kenny Brown makes some suped up
models that are FAST!! & handle pretty well...gotta lower them a bit to
keep body roll down, tho'.

Just figger your gas mileage when you pick an engine....My buddies with
Explorer 4.0's complain cuz they get 14-16 mpg. Figger the 5.0 Explorer
will get even worse. I do well to get 13 mpg in my supercharged 5.8! The
Bronco 5.0 gets around 14-16 supposedly. The ride will be much harsher in
a Bronco. My wife hates driving the Bronco, although she loves riding in
it (likes the ride height)! She is partial toward Explorers also (she'd
have to pry my cold, dead body outta my Bronco!). Bronco's are only 4
wheel drive (thank goodness). The Bronco is harder to get into because of
it's ride height...some side steps can fix that. The Explorer comes in 2
and 4 door models...the Bronco is only 2 door (unless you spend $60,000 on
a Centurion conversion 4-door Bronco).

Anybody else notice that from directly behind, the new Expeditions (and
especially the Lincoln Navigator version) look EXACTLY like MINIVANS!??!
Way to go Ford.

steve

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:24:57 -0400
From: Almus Kenter
Subject: 87 F150 rocker panel rust repair....

My 87 F150 is rusting where the rocker panels
join the rear of the cab..... Looking at
body parts diagrams of these vehicles, the
replacement rockers just look like straight pieces.
What I really need is the compound
curved piece which curves up from the rocker to the truck cab.
Does such a thing exist? Any sources?
TIA
- -almus

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:27:26 -0400
From: "Mike Jones"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #100

>Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:34:31 -0500
>From: Thom Cheney
>Subject: radio shack cruise control
>I read a post the other day where someone suggested that a cruise
>control device could be put together from radio shack parts for pretty
>cheap. Can anyone back this up with a parts list!?!?

That was me, and it applies to Power Stroke diesels only, since they are
drive-by-wire (no throttle cable). If you were indeed interested in cruise
control for a Power Stroke, let me know and I'll explain how it's done.



Since we're on the subject, gas engines are easy, too. J.C. Whitney has
several kits for $60-$100. Or you could purchase the necessary parts from
a wrecking yard for a factory installation. but if you're looking for
bottom dollar, then one of these kits is the way to go. They generally
work fine.



Mike J.

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:41:55 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: prices

Max Dooley wrote:
>
> Thom , my first question is hom much did you put down or trade in.
> Secondly, to reply, I have a '97 that I only pay $267. slighlty more
> than yours but I had no money down and no trade. I don't think I did
> too bad, huh.
- --+

very cool....I did have a substantial down payment thanks to the
excellent resale value of my '91 Toyota pickup. With no down and no
trade I have to wonder which model & options you were able to get for
that payment....also how LONG will you be paying that amount?

TC

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:34:39 -0500
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: A few questions...

Ok, well I'm new to this list although I've owned my F150 for almost 6 years.

I'm sure that these questions have been asked many times before, but since I
wasn't aware of this mailing list, I'm going to ask them again.

I'm looking to make a few mods to my truck:
1990 F150 w/302 2X4 and EOD4 (I'm not sure of the gear ratio)
I'm on a budget just like everyone else, so I'm looking at:

1. A cat back system either from edelbrock, gibson, or borla. I'm looking for
a good mellow sound without waking the neighbors - I live in Texas (Houston), so
rust is not too much of a problem, but we do get to the beach sometimes - Any suggestions.

2. A shift improver kit (Baumann seems like the better choice, is anyone happy with B&M?)
Which brand is easier to install? My transmission just seems mushy compared to a friend's
GMC.

3. Also, my tires have lived their useful life. They were decent highway tires, but really ugly and poor
rain traction - any suggestions (I only get off the street occasionally). I just want something that looks
rugged, but is a good highway tire (is that possible???)

4. One last question, my pickup is the midnight blue w/grey rocker panels. The paint has held up
good (I guess I'm lucky), but I recently had a tailgate replaced (old one was stolen) and I now
realize how shiny and bright my truck used to be. Any suggestions on wax/polish - I'm looking at
either meguires/mothers/3M.

Also, where's the best place to buy this stuff - locally or out of a catalog/magazine. If local, does
anyone have suggestions for shops in the houston area?

Thanks in advance

Steve

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:48:10 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: A few questions...

Steven McCullough wrote:
>
> 3. Also, my tires have lived their useful life. They were decent highway tires, but really ugly and poor
> rain traction - any suggestions (I only get off the street occasionally). I just want something that looks
> rugged, but is a good highway tire (is that possible???)

I like the BFG All Terrain T/A
>
> 4. One last question, my pickup is the midnight blue w/grey rocker panels. The paint has held up
> good (I guess I'm lucky), but I recently had a tailgate replaced (old one was stolen) and I now
> realize how shiny and bright my truck used to be. Any suggestions on wax/polish - I'm looking at
> either meguires/mothers/3M.

First step will be to remove the oxidized paint. You will want to
start with a mild polishing compound. If you can get a random
orbiting buffer (I paid $40) it makes short work of this job. Stay
off the corners as the buffer/compound may "burn" the edges. After
you finish, get a coat of wax on it immediately or you will lose yet
another layer of paint. In the future, keep a coat of wax on it. It
doesn't have to be the most expensive wax as long as you keep at it.
When you can't see water beading on the paint it is time for more wax.
Think of it as therapy.
>
> Also, where's the best place to buy this stuff - locally or out of a catalog/magazine. If local, does
> anyone have suggestions for shops in the houston area?

Try Summit racing. They advertise in just about every performance
magazine out there. They can usually beat any local price you will
find, even with the shipping.
>

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:16:01 -0700
From: "Yu, Vince"
Subject: 86 Ranger driveability problem

Hi all,

This is my first post and I'm having some driveability problem with my
'86 2.9L Ranger. It stumble and hesitate when I do sudden acceleration.
This is what I have done so far:

. cleaned the throttle body.
. replaced the in-tank and high pressure fuel pump.
. new throttle position sensor.
. repaired the brain (the circuit that controls the EGR vacuum solenoid
was found defective..)
. a new TFI module.
. all new fuel injectors.
. fuel filter.
. new coolant and air temp sensor.
. a tune up with new cap, rotor, plugs, air filter etc.
. new set of spark plug wires.
. new O2 sensor.
. MAP sensor checked by substituting with no difference.
. EGR feedback sensor also was checked by substitution with no
difference.
. fuel pressure regulator checked ok. PSI is about 30lb while idling.

.. and I'm still having the same problem! I've been working on my own
cars for over 20 years and this is really baffling! Has anyone else
experienced this problem before? Any suggestions are appreciated.

Vince Yu

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:54:17 -0500
From: Richard J Wilson
Subject: Labor time

Hi,

Many shops use a book to determine how much time a job should take and
charge accordingly, IE: if the book says 2 hours labor, thats what they
charge for regardless of how much time they spend.

Does any one know if this type of information is available to the general
public.
Perhaps the library or even online would be great.

Thanks

richard
wilso032 tc.umn.edu

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:13:20 -0700
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: 1996 350 Dually

Wait a minute - towing? As I read this it sounds like your payload has
just increased by 3,500 pounds due to the Camper, but what are you towing
in addition - or are you? Adding air springs to stabilize the load is a
great idea, but it is A Bad Idea to remove a leaf from the rear spring pack
to soften the ride. Air springs *do not* increase the payload capacity, so
by removing a leaf you will effectively be *reducing* your total payload
capacity. If you want a softer ride, then reduce the air pressure in the
springs and/or reduce the air pressure in the tires, but of course, only do
this when the truck is empty.

Joe

>I have a 1996 Ford Dually, 2wd, 460, Trailer and Tow package. Recently my
>towing limits just change to haulling a 11'3" Lance Camper 3,500lbs. I
>have on order Firestone air springs and compressor for the rear. I have
>been told that if this is now my upper limit for towing that I can remove
>one rear leaf spring to soften the ride. If this is true, which leaf.

************************************
Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab, 460/5-spd, The Silver Camel

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:49:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10

My undestanding is that the 6.8L(415ci) Triton V-10 will be out in 98 and be
an option for the F-250HD & F-350. It has the same bore and stroke of the
5.4L triton V-8 but with 2 extra cylinders. It will come with E40D electronic
4-speed auto transmission. Milage is 12 city 14 highway, HP-265 4,250rpm,
Torque-410lb.-ft. 2,750rpm's.

Matt, 92 f-250 5.8L 4x4 6" lift

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 12:46:09 PDT
From: David Hertzberg
Subject: RE: Labor time

This is how a really good mechanic makes money. Work on three cars at a time,
each one having a problem that an ordinary mechanic would take two hours to
complete. Finish all three cars over the course of two hours, make 6 hours labor
in 2. On the other hand, a ordinary mechanic might not finish a two hour job in
two but in four or five (i've seen this happen several times in some shops). Just
my $.02.


>Hi,
>
>Many shops use a book to determine how much time a job should take and
>charge accordingly, IE: if the book says 2 hours labor, thats what they
>charge for regardless of how much time they spend.
>
>Does any one know if this type of information is available to the general
>public.
>Perhaps the library or even online would be great.
>
>Thanks
>
>richard
>wilso032 tc.umn.edu
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 14:00:09 -0500
From: Jay Chlebowski
Subject: Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10

On 9/9/97 10:16 PM , Mitch Biarsky wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I've been following this thread for the past couple of weeks, and it's
>quite apparrent
>that the Powerstroke outperforms the 460 (mpg, top end speed, torque,
>etc). I'm
>waiting for the '99 F350 to become available and have read on numerous
>internet
>sites the the Triton V10 will be an available engine choice. The V10 is
>currently
>available in Fords fullsize vans. Does anyone have any performance
>figures for
>this engine, and how it compares to the Powerstroke???
>
>Thanks, Mitch
>'86 F250 4x4

I've seen a few articles on the engine (and someone mentioned the new
Trailer Life article), but the one thing I noticed with the V10 was that
it made it's power, both torque and HP, WAY up in the rev range. Low-end
grunt is what gets heavy loads moving, and being in the "thick" of the HP
powerband at highway speeds keeps it moving. Both describe the
PowerStroke, and I just can't see how the V10 would make a good towing
motor, unless you keep it pretty wound-up. Multivalve engines
characteristically make power at high revs, so this is really just a
trait of the new Ford engines (that's "progress" for ya')

Best Regards,
Jay

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:38:07 +0100
From: droberts MIT.EDU (D Robertson)
Subject: Re: 87 F150 rocker panel rust repair....

Dear Almus:

I'm not sure if I understand , it sounds like you are looking for the cab
corner plus the rocker panel. Anyway the J.C. Whintey book has a good
section on pick-up replacement panels with diagrams also a company called
Mill Supply Inc in Cleveland OH (216) 241-5072 sells repacement panels.
Call Mill and ask for the sheet on your truck, it has a diagram also. I
have not ordered parts from either , the replacement panels were too large
to fix the rust on my 86 F-150. I needed to fix rust above my rear wheel
well and the panel ($50 I think) went from the gas filler door to the top
of the bed, the cure would have been worse than the disease.

Take Care
Dave

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:36:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Manning
Subject: Re: A few questions...

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Steven McCullough wrote:

> good (I guess I'm lucky), but I recently had a tailgate replaced (old
> one was stolen) and I now realize how shiny and bright my truck used to

I installed a power tailgate lock from JC Whitney. It wires into the
power door lock system and works well. I don't know what a replacement
tailgate costs, but the lock is about $80. With it in combination with my
bed cover, I can keep things in the bed reasonably secure.

Gary

Gary Manning x84056 gmanning qualcomm.com
Net Ops Center x11243 Qualcomm, Inc. San Diego, CA

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:08:54 -0500
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: RE: A few questions...

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> I installed a power tailgate lock from JC Whitney. It wires into the
> power door lock system and works well. I don't know what a replacement
> tailgate costs, but the lock is about $80. With it in combination with my
> bed cover, I can keep things in the bed reasonably secure.

> Gary

> Gary Manning x84056 gmanning qualcomm.com
> Net Ops Center x11243 Qualcomm, Inc. San Diego, CA

[Steven McCullough]

you know, I looked for something like that and never found it. I finally
settled on a pop-lock cover for the release handle and put a hose clamp
on the open hinge to prevent anyone from getting it off quickly (advice from the
shop that replaced it). Apparently ford tailgates (especially w/XLT lariat trim)
are really popular with theives - no wonder, to have a new one put together and
painted was roughly ~$1200. You can find them used for ~$350, sometimes with
a decent matching paint job - but I had insurance, so....new it is.

Steve





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