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fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, September 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 102



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In this issue:

Re: a warning [Jerad Heffner ]
RE: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10 [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENN]
Re: a warning [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
EXPLORERS & BRONCOS ["Stephen M. Brown" ]
EXPLORERS & BRONCOS ["Stephen M. Brown" ]
87 F150 rocker panel rust repair.... [Almus Kenter
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #100 ["Mike Jones"]
Re: prices [Thom Cheney ]
A few questions... [Steven McCullough ]
Re: A few questions... [Thom Cheney ]
86 Ranger driveability problem ["Yu, Vince"
Labor time [Richard J Wilson ]
Re: 1996 350 Dually [Joe Maleski ]
Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10 [BigDogF250 aol.com]
RE: Labor time [David Hertzberg ]
Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10 [Jay Chlebowski ]
Re: 87 F150 rocker panel rust repair.... [droberts MIT.EDU (D Robertson)]
Re: A few questions... [Gary Manning ]
RE: A few questions... [Steven McCullough ]

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:12:10 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: a warning

ERI302 aol.com wrote:

> WHAT IS A HOAX MAY I ASK???

It's just a trick or joke. . . as webster puts it, "to trick into believing
or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous"

Hope that helps. ..
Jerad Heffner
'84 Ranger 4x4

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:32:44, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10

Mitch,

Power Stroke is at 215 hp 3000 rpm and 425 lb.-ft. 2000 rpm WOW!

460 V8 EFI is at 245 hp 4000 rpm and 400 lb.-ft. 2200 rpm

Triton V10 is at 265 hp 4250 rpm and 410 lb.-ft 2750 rpm

I have driven each in an Econoline. I made sure to get into the V10
and stomp on it. And it sure does have some torque! I think the V10
is a great improvement over the 460 even though it will be missed.

Josh

KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:49:34 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: a warning

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:07:35 -0400 (EDT) ERI302 aol.com writes:
>WHAT IS A HOAX MAY I ASK???


A Chevy 351



:)

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:51:08 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: EXPLORERS & BRONCOS

Well, admittedly, I am fairly biased cuz I drive a 95 Bronco...

If you're looking for the 90's station wagon, then by all means get the
Explorer. Motor Trend's test of SUV's gave the Explorer the worst rank for
its abilities off road (yet it sold almost 4 times as many units as the
nearest competitor!). It really is just a car made up to look SUV-ish.
The two wheel drive model is even more of a road vehicle. But if that's
what you want, that's ok, I spose. Heck, Kenny Brown makes some suped up
models that are FAST!! & handle pretty well...gotta lower them a bit to
keep body roll down, tho'.

Just figger your gas mileage when you pick an engine....My buddies with
Explorer 4.0's complain cuz they get 14-16 mpg. Figger the 5.0 Explorer
will get even worse. I do well to get 13 mpg in my supercharged 5.8! The
Bronco 5.0 gets around 14-16 supposedly. The ride will be much harsher in
a Bronco. My wife hates driving the Bronco, although she loves riding in
it (likes the ride height)! She is partial toward Explorers also (she'd
have to pry my cold, dead body outta my Bronco!). Bronco's are only 4
wheel drive (thank goodness). The Bronco is harder to get into because of
it's ride height...some side steps can fix that. The Explorer comes in 2
and 4 door models...the Bronco is only 2 door (unless you spend $60,000 on
a Centurion conversion 4-door Bronco).

Anybody else notice that from directly behind, the new Expeditions (and
especially the Lincoln Navigator version) look EXACTLY like MINIVANS!??!
Way to go Ford.

steve

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:51:08 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: EXPLORERS & BRONCOS

Well, admittedly, I am fairly biased cuz I drive a 95 Bronco...

If you're looking for the 90's station wagon, then by all means get the
Explorer. Motor Trend's test of SUV's gave the Explorer the worst rank for
its abilities off road (yet it sold almost 4 times as many units as the
nearest competitor!). It really is just a car made up to look SUV-ish.
The two wheel drive model is even more of a road vehicle. But if that's
what you want, that's ok, I spose. Heck, Kenny Brown makes some suped up
models that are FAST!! & handle pretty well...gotta lower them a bit to
keep body roll down, tho'.

Just figger your gas mileage when you pick an engine....My buddies with
Explorer 4.0's complain cuz they get 14-16 mpg. Figger the 5.0 Explorer
will get even worse. I do well to get 13 mpg in my supercharged 5.8! The
Bronco 5.0 gets around 14-16 supposedly. The ride will be much harsher in
a Bronco. My wife hates driving the Bronco, although she loves riding in
it (likes the ride height)! She is partial toward Explorers also (she'd
have to pry my cold, dead body outta my Bronco!). Bronco's are only 4
wheel drive (thank goodness). The Bronco is harder to get into because of
it's ride height...some side steps can fix that. The Explorer comes in 2
and 4 door models...the Bronco is only 2 door (unless you spend $60,000 on
a Centurion conversion 4-door Bronco).

Anybody else notice that from directly behind, the new Expeditions (and
especially the Lincoln Navigator version) look EXACTLY like MINIVANS!??!
Way to go Ford.

steve

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:24:57 -0400
From: Almus Kenter
Subject: 87 F150 rocker panel rust repair....

My 87 F150 is rusting where the rocker panels
join the rear of the cab..... Looking at
body parts diagrams of these vehicles, the
replacement rockers just look like straight pieces.
What I really need is the compound
curved piece which curves up from the rocker to the truck cab.
Does such a thing exist? Any sources?
TIA
- -almus

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:27:26 -0400
From: "Mike Jones"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #100

>Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:34:31 -0500
>From: Thom Cheney
>Subject: radio shack cruise control
>I read a post the other day where someone suggested that a cruise
>control device could be put together from radio shack parts for pretty
>cheap. Can anyone back this up with a parts list!?!?

That was me, and it applies to Power Stroke diesels only, since they are
drive-by-wire (no throttle cable). If you were indeed interested in cruise
control for a Power Stroke, let me know and I'll explain how it's done.



Since we're on the subject, gas engines are easy, too. J.C. Whitney has
several kits for $60-$100. Or you could purchase the necessary parts from
a wrecking yard for a factory installation. but if you're looking for
bottom dollar, then one of these kits is the way to go. They generally
work fine.



Mike J.

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:41:55 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: prices

Max Dooley wrote:
>
> Thom , my first question is hom much did you put down or trade in.
> Secondly, to reply, I have a '97 that I only pay $267. slighlty more
> than yours but I had no money down and no trade. I don't think I did
> too bad, huh.
- --+

very cool....I did have a substantial down payment thanks to the
excellent resale value of my '91 Toyota pickup. With no down and no
trade I have to wonder which model & options you were able to get for
that payment....also how LONG will you be paying that amount?

TC

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:34:39 -0500
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: A few questions...

Ok, well I'm new to this list although I've owned my F150 for almost 6 years.

I'm sure that these questions have been asked many times before, but since I
wasn't aware of this mailing list, I'm going to ask them again.

I'm looking to make a few mods to my truck:
1990 F150 w/302 2X4 and EOD4 (I'm not sure of the gear ratio)
I'm on a budget just like everyone else, so I'm looking at:

1. A cat back system either from edelbrock, gibson, or borla. I'm looking for
a good mellow sound without waking the neighbors - I live in Texas (Houston), so
rust is not too much of a problem, but we do get to the beach sometimes - Any suggestions.

2. A shift improver kit (Baumann seems like the better choice, is anyone happy with B&M?)
Which brand is easier to install? My transmission just seems mushy compared to a friend's
GMC.

3. Also, my tires have lived their useful life. They were decent highway tires, but really ugly and poor
rain traction - any suggestions (I only get off the street occasionally). I just want something that looks
rugged, but is a good highway tire (is that possible???)

4. One last question, my pickup is the midnight blue w/grey rocker panels. The paint has held up
good (I guess I'm lucky), but I recently had a tailgate replaced (old one was stolen) and I now
realize how shiny and bright my truck used to be. Any suggestions on wax/polish - I'm looking at
either meguires/mothers/3M.

Also, where's the best place to buy this stuff - locally or out of a catalog/magazine. If local, does
anyone have suggestions for shops in the houston area?

Thanks in advance

Steve

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:48:10 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: A few questions...

Steven McCullough wrote:
>
> 3. Also, my tires have lived their useful life. They were decent highway tires, but really ugly and poor
> rain traction - any suggestions (I only get off the street occasionally). I just want something that looks
> rugged, but is a good highway tire (is that possible???)

I like the BFG All Terrain T/A
>
> 4. One last question, my pickup is the midnight blue w/grey rocker panels. The paint has held up
> good (I guess I'm lucky), but I recently had a tailgate replaced (old one was stolen) and I now....

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