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80-96-list Digest Mon, 08 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 007

In This Issue:
Re: Brakes pull to left
Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
Re: Brakes pull to left
Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
Re: Brakes pull to left
Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question (s
Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
Re: Brakes pull to left
Headlight Relays
Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question

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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:44:56 -0500
From: flagship <Flagship worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes pull to left


I believe if it was air it would pull all of the time until the air went
away.  If it's pulling to the left, it's likely you have some debris on
the right side blocking fluid flow.  I had a problem with a classic car
that would cause it to pull left, right or sometimes not at all.  I
changed the rubber brake lines and flushed it and the problem went
away.  The rubber was 30 years old and had deteriorated leaving little
specks of rubber in the system.  Sometimes it would block the flow to
one wheel or the other.

Your lines may not be that old but it sounds like something is in there
causing a problem.  If that's original fluid in there, now's the time to
flush and change.

Emil
Savannah, GA



Justin Schick wrote:
>
> Yeah, the air would be compressing and causing different pressures at each caliper. If it tracks fine in neutral and the alignment is within spec you know you don't have one stuck, so I'd try bleeding them. Hope this helps.
>
> Justin
> 85 F-150 300 / 4 spd. / 4X4
>
> >>> ObertS constellation.navy.mil 01/07/01 11:03PM >>>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I have a problem with my 1995 F150 4X4.  When I step on the brakes it pulls
> to the left moderately.  The weird thing is, it doesn't always do it.  It
> will do it most of the time but I'd say once every 15 times I step on the
> brakes it won't pull.  I looked at both front brakes and they both look
> fine, even wear, not leaking brake fluid, free movement.  Could air in one
> of the lines cause this?  I'm stumped.
>
> Scott

------------------------------

From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:38:46 -0700


Well guys, it finally happened, after 204K miles the water pump decided to
start making bearing noises and slowly drip/leak fluid. So I replaced it
without much skin loss. No big deal.

What I did notice is the OEM water pump by-pass tube appeared "pinched
down" and this tube had pretty thin walls probably due to corrosion.

The new water pump I installed ($32.99 w/lifetime warrantee from Checker
Auto Parts) had no such crimp or "pinched down" appearance, just a straight
tube for the by-pass hose to slip on. I noted this but thought nothing of it
assuming the Parts Gods know more than I by far.

While at it I also replaced the Thermostate.

My situation is now I have a weak heater at best. The engine comes up to
temperature like it always has and stays there no matter what the driving
conditions are but the heater takes forever to generate warm air at the
maximum settings. Spousal unit is not very happy.

My thoughts are that maybe I need to restrict the water pump by-pass one
way or another? I am 99% sure the thermostate is installed correctly. I have
the Service manual from Ford, and nowhere do I see anything saying about
restricting this port like my original water pump. Just the usual "install
in the reverse order of disassembly".

I can see if the water pump by-pass were restricted this would force more
engine coolant through the heater hose tube that is directly beneath. Before
I go making a mess with Engine coolant everywhere again in the driveway, I
thougth I would toss this situation in the ring to you guys.

Suggestions? TIA.

Phred
Cold feet in 1995 F-150 4X4, 302, 5-speed.

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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Brakes pull to left
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:03:15 -0700


One sure sign of air in the lines is that the pedal is extremely spongy and
goes nearly or all the way to the floor.  You will also notice a distinct
increase in stopping distance because the air compresses and takes up all
the pressure in the system.

I agree with Emil in that it's more likely crud in the lines rather than
air.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Schick [mailto:jschick aafp.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:17 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Brakes pull to left
>
>
>
> Yeah, the air would be compressing and causing different
> pressures at each caliper. If it tracks fine in neutral and
> the alignment is within spec you know you don't have one
> stuck, so I'd try bleeding them. Hope this helps.
>
> Justin
> 85 F-150 300 / 4 spd. / 4X4
>
> >>> ObertS constellation.navy.mil 01/07/01 11:03PM >>>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I have a problem with my 1995 F150 4X4.  When I step on the
> brakes it pulls
> to the left moderately.  The weird thing is, it doesn't
> always do it.  It
> will do it most of the time but I'd say once every 15 times I
> step on the
> brakes it won't pull.  I looked at both front brakes and they
> both look
> fine, even wear, not leaking brake fluid, free movement.
> Could air in one
> of the lines cause this?  I'm stumped.
>
> Scott
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:28:06 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question




Fred Moreno wrote:

> Snip.
>
>  I can see if the water pump by-pass were restricted this would force more
> engine coolant through the heater hose tube that is directly beneath. Before
> I go making a mess with Engine coolant everywhere again in the driveway, I
> thougth I would toss this situation in the ring to you guys.
>
>  Suggestions? TIA.
>
>  Phred
>  Cold feet in 1995 F-150 4X4, 302, 5-speed.

I don't think that the lack of the crimp would cause the lack of heat. Air in
the line would though. SInce you've had it apart, it's possible you've
introduced a little air into your cooling system and it's made it's way to the
heater core.

Bob
--
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.2bigbroncos.org
2Big Broncos Organization
227 Bellevue Way NE #717
Bellevue, WA 98004
206-224-3000



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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:12:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Chuck Badger <chuckbadger yahoo.com>
Subject: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question


Two suggestions:  You may have air in the heater core
which would prevent the hot water from getting there.
Or, you may have stirred up some trash in the cooling
system and that is blocking the heater core
internally.  I had this happen when I changed the
antifreeze on my B-II last time.  Take the two heater
hoses at the heater core and switch them with each
other.  This will force the trash out of the heater
core and back into the block somewhere.  Last time I
did this my heater went from a little heat to lots of
heat in about twenty miles.  Now I just need to wait
until warm weather gets here and flush the system the
right way to clean out the block.  I have never seen a
line pinched as you hae described on any engine.

Chuck
--- Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com> wrote:
>
>  Well guys, it finally happened, after 204K miles
> the water pump decided to
> start making bearing noises and slowly drip/leak
> fluid. So I replaced it
> without much skin loss. No big deal.
>
>  What I did notice is the OEM water pump by-pass
> tube appeared "pinched
> down" and this tube had pretty thin walls probably
> due to corrosion.
>
>  The new water pump I installed ($32.99 w/lifetime
> warrantee from Checker
> Auto Parts) had no such crimp or "pinched down"
> appearance, just a straight
> tube for the by-pass hose to slip on. I noted this
> but thought nothing of it
> assuming the Parts Gods know more than I by far.
>
>  While at it I also replaced the Thermostate.
>
>  My situation is now I have a weak heater at best.
> The engine comes up to
> temperature like it always has and stays there no
> matter what the driving
> conditions are but the heater takes forever to
> generate warm air at the
> maximum settings. Spousal unit is not very happy.
>
>  My thoughts are that maybe I need to restrict the
> water pump by-pass one
> way or another? I am 99% sure the thermostate is
> installed correctly. I have
> the Service manual from Ford, and nowhere do I see
> anything saying about
> restricting this port like my original water pump.
> Just the usual "install
> in the reverse order of disassembly".
>
>  I can see if the water pump by-pass were restricted
> this would force more
> engine coolant through the heater hose tube that is
> directly beneath. Before
> I go making a mess with Engine coolant everywhere
> again in the driveway, I
> thougth I would toss this situation in the ring to
> you guys.
>
>  Suggestions? TIA.
>
>  Phred
>  Cold feet in 1995 F-150 4X4, 302, 5-speed.
>


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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:57:55 EST
Subject: Re: Brakes pull to left


sounds like you have a sticking caliper!

luke

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From: "les williams" <lesw cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:48:17 +1100


Hi Phred,

If it's air in the system, and I'm inclined to agree it is,  just drive only
on propane fuel and, and if 'Mrs Murphy' has anything to do with it, the
propane regulator will freeze up !!! THEN you'll know REALLY know what the
problem(s) is. Ummm,  I don't suggest this course of action with the
'spousal
unit' on board although you can still 'cop out' and switch back to petrol.

I 've just seen the news footage of the 'propane gas explosion' you had over
there at the town of Truth or Consequence, New Mexico ???. Is this for real
??
The town's name I mean, - Hell - how can somebody just drive into a propane
tank ??? Don't they know 'It's not a good career move ?'
Now watch the 'goody goody two shoes' jump up and down, point the
finger at how unsafe the product is.

regards

Les, Lost in the land of OZ

Old Age and Treachery will always overcome Youth & Enthusiasm





----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Kennedy" <bobkennedy uswest.net>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 3:28 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question


>
>
>
> Fred Moreno wrote:
>
> > Snip.
> >
> >  I can see if the water pump by-pass were restricted this would force
more
> > engine coolant through the heater hose tube that is directly beneath.
Before
> > I go making a mess with Engine coolant everywhere again in the driveway,
I
> > thougth I would toss this situation in the ring to you guys.
> >
> >  Suggestions? TIA.
> >
> >  Phred
> >  Cold feet in 1995 F-150 4X4, 302, 5-speed.
>
> I don't think that the lack of the crimp would cause the lack of heat. Air
in
> the line would though. SInce you've had it apart, it's possible you've
> introduced a little air into your cooling system and it's made it's way to
the
> heater core.
>
> Bob
> --
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.2bigbroncos.org
> 2Big Broncos Organization
> 227 Bellevue Way NE #717
> Bellevue, WA 98004
> 206-224-3000
>
>
>
>



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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:01:14 -0800
From: Chuck Sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question


At 08:48 AM 1/9/2001 +1100, you wrote:
>Now watch the 'goody goody two shoes' jump up and down, point the
>finger at how unsafe the product is.

Don't you mean shyster lawyers, Bill Clinton's best friends, Les??
Chuck




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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question (s
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:21:58 -0700


Truth or Consequences NM is a real town.  It was named for the game show of
the 70's (?).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: les williams [mailto:lesw cyber.net.au]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:48 PM
> To: FTE 80-96 ford truck list
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
>
>
>
> Hi Phred,
>
> If it's air in the system, and I'm inclined to agree it is,
> just drive only
> on propane fuel and, and if 'Mrs Murphy' has anything to do
> with it, the
> propane regulator will freeze up !!! THEN you'll know REALLY
> know what the
> problem(s) is. Ummm,  I don't suggest this course of action with the
> 'spousal
> unit' on board although you can still 'cop out' and switch
> back to petrol.
>
> I 've just seen the news footage of the 'propane gas
> explosion' you had over
> there at the town of Truth or Consequence, New Mexico ???. Is
> this for real
> ??
> The town's name I mean, - Hell - how can somebody just drive
> into a propane
> tank ??? Don't they know 'It's not a good career move ?'
> Now watch the 'goody goody two shoes' jump up and down, point the
> finger at how unsafe the product is.
>
> regards
>
> Les, Lost in the land of OZ
>
> Old Age and Treachery will always overcome Youth & Enthusiasm
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Kennedy" <bobkennedy uswest.net>
> To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 3:28 AM
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Fred Moreno wrote:
> >
> > > Snip.
> > >
> > >  I can see if the water pump by-pass were restricted this
> would force
> more
> > > engine coolant through the heater hose tube that is
> directly beneath.
> Before
> > > I go making a mess with Engine coolant everywhere again
> in the driveway,
> I
> > > thougth I would toss this situation in the ring to you guys.
> > >
> > >  Suggestions? TIA.
> > >
> > >  Phred
> > >  Cold feet in 1995 F-150 4X4, 302, 5-speed.
> >
> > I don't think that the lack of the crimp would cause the
> lack of heat. Air
> in
> > the line would though. SInce you've had it apart, it's
> possible you've
> > introduced a little air into your cooling system and it's
> made it's way to
> the
> > heater core.
> >
> > Bob
> > --
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.2bigbroncos.org
> > 2Big Broncos Organization
> > 227 Bellevue Way NE #717
> > Bellevue, WA 98004
> > 206-224-3000
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:10:09 -0500
From: S Spaulding <ss80xt worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question


Fred,

Air and blockages are possibilities, as others stated.

The thermostat itself could be leaking, it could be the wrong
temperature, or the gasket may not be sealing between the bypass nipple
and the thermostat in the housing.  I would not throttle back the
bypass.

Where are you... Is it way cold out?

What what were the brand and part numbers of the stat and gasket?  I am
interested becuse my people make about 75% of the thermostats in the US
aftermarket.

Steve Spaulding

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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:24:15 -0600
From: Jim Cannon <jcannon SoftHome.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes pull to left


Scott-
Air does not just introduce itself into your system unless you had it open
or you ran the master cyl. down really low recently.  Only you can answer
that, but I will assume not.  I will also assume you checked tire pressures
left right on all 4 wheels.

You would be surprised how many times a pull comes from a problem in the
rear wheel brakes.  If you have not looked there, you should.  Besides the
obvious (like fluid leaks) check for free operation of the auto-adjusters.

Someone mentioned a sticky caliper or something like that.  This is often a
real problem because when people do the front brakes they just slap a new
set of pads on and call it good.  There are machined surfaces on which the
caliper mounts to the spindle that must be cleaned up and lightly
lubricated to keep the caliper floating like it should.  Note: the caliper
does not need to be replaced to fix this (unless it is leaking or
something). Just clean the machined surfaces off really well.

A new "hardware kit" from the dealer for the front and a set of springs for
the rear is also a good idea every other brake job.  Very few people bother
with these items and cleaning the mounting surfaces, and then complain
about noise, chatter, pulling, rapid pad wear, bad gas mileage, etc.  The
things in the hardware kit and the springs lose their "spring" over time
due to the heat generated in braking.  That's why Ford sells this little kit.

Your truck is a bit young to have a collapsed hose up front, but it could
happen.

Good luck.
Jim

At 21:03 07-01-01 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>I have a problem with my 1995 F150 4X4.  When I step on the brakes it pulls
>to the left moderately.  The weird thing is, it doesn't always do it.  It
>will do it most of the time but I'd say once every 15 times I step on the
>brakes it won't pull.  I looked at both front brakes and they both look
>fine, even wear, not leaking brake fluid, free movement.  Could air in one
>of the lines cause this?  I'm stumped.
>
>Scott

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX                            "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton                 and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD              '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8


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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:32:35 -0600
From: Ezekial <ezekial mmind.net>
Subject: Headlight Relays


Had a few requests for this so I thought I would post it.

I used blazer brand relays off the shelf of OReilly Auto parts, and
Autozone because OReilly's only had one.. by the way, they were cheaper
too. They are intended for driving lights and still should be plenty for
your headlights. I drove around yesterday night for a good hour and had
no problems. Plus I fully noticed a good difference in brightness.
However my original headlight connections were trashed from the
100/130watt headlight bulbs. While doing this I also installed 2 fresh
sockets from OReillys.  Here are the links to my mounting location and a
wiring diagram.
Any questions, just ask me...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.mmind.net/ezekial/pics/vehicles/93/relay1.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.mmind.net/ezekial/pics/vehicles/93/relay2.jpg


--

Ezekial (Derrick)
93 F-150 4x4, 351, SC, SB
66 Fastback Stang, 289HP, 4sp
96 Conv. Stang, 3.8, lil add ons
Coppermine 700 at 910, SB Live!, Geforce, +more
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.mmind.net/ezekial/

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From: "les williams" <lesw cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Heater woes & water pump by-pass question
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:47:44 +1100



Hi Chuck,

Oh ?? So that's what you call them over there ???
I call them 'Single Issue Pressure Groups' that get to have their
'Hour of Power' on the evening news.Talk about getting on your goat ...
If they had their way, we would be lucky to be riding bicycles,
manufactured by Ford, naturally, and still be mandatory for
someone to be walking in front waving a red flag !!!

regards

Les, Still lost in the Land of OZ



----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Sanborn" <slammer deltanet.com>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:01 AM ....


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