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80-96-list Digest Sun, 11 Mar 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 052

In This Issue:
Re: Fuel Pump Troubleshooting
Re: Fuel Pump Troubleshooting
Re: Fuel Pump Troubleshooting
Re: Missed the Spring Break shootout
Re: Missed the Spring Break shootout
4wd package for Aerostar
Re: There's Booze in the Blender
Re: There's Booze in the Blender

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From: "Mark Salvetti" <msalvetti mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump Troubleshooting
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:34:49 -0500


Thanks Bob.  I thought of the inertia switch today, but it didn't help.
I'm getting the ignition module checked out tomorrow.  One of the codes
says there may be a problem with it, so what the heck.  I think the EEC
is OK, as it's sending out the right reference voltage.  But that's the
only check I've made of it.

I'll let you know what happens.

Thanks again!

Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy qwest.net>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 2:56 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Fuel Pump Troubleshooting


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>
> Take a look at the Fuel pump circuit breaker. It's releases in an
accident
> to prevent fuel flow when the engine can't run. It'll be a little
black box
> on the passenger side of the transmission hump, up close to the fire
wall.
> There is a little white button on top of it to reset it. Push it down
and
> then turn on the switch and see if you hear the fuel pump(s).
>
> As years go by, that thing will trip with the closing of a door too
hard



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From: "Mark Salvetti" <msalvetti mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump Troubleshooting
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:36:18 -0500


Thanks for the idea, Chuck.  But it's an EFI truck.  I've since
confirmed that there is no power to the fuel pump, so I'm checking the
EEC and ignition module.  We'll see what happens.

Thanks again!

Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: chuck & kathy sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>

> At 06:03 PM 3/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >  I have plenty of spark, but it looks like the fuel pumps are not
> >running.
>
> Squirt some gas into the carb and see if it starts.  If it does, your
> pumps are probably clogged or need replacing.
> Chucl
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:36:10 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy qwest.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump Troubleshooting


Sounds like with that out of the way, you may have a fuel pump relay out.

Bob


Mark Salvetti wrote:

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> Thanks Bob.  I thought of the inertia switch today, but it didn't help.
> I'm getting the ignition module checked out tomorrow.  One of the codes
> says there may be a problem with it, so what the heck.  I think the EEC
> is OK, as it's sending out the right reference voltage.  But that's the
> only check I've made of it.
>
> I'll let you know what happens.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy qwest.net>
> To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 2:56 PM
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Fuel Pump Troubleshooting
>
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> >
> > Take a look at the Fuel pump circuit breaker. It's releases in an
> accident
> > to prevent fuel flow when the engine can't run. It'll be a little
> black box
> > on the passenger side of the transmission hump, up close to the fire
> wall.
> > There is a little white button on top of it to reset it. Push it down
> and
> > then turn on the switch and see if you hear the fuel pump(s).
> >
> > As years go by, that thing will trip with the closing of a door too
> hard
>
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From: "Les Williams" <lesw cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Missed the Spring Break shootout
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:12:37 +1100


----- Original Message -----
From: <FLR150 aol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 3:08 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] Missed the Spring Break shootout


>What a rush of power the 351 has, I cant wait to get this
> thing tuned right and tear off a couple of runs at the track.


> Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
> Later,
> Wayne Foy

Hi Wayne,

I'm errr shattered, I'm stunned, I thought you were perservering with the
302 because of class, rego/polution rules, - You always had the opportunity
to go 351 ???? Why did you ever mess around with the 302 for as long as you
did anyway ?
I would have pulled the 302 only once and parked it at the back of the
garage along with the kiddies hoola hoops and bikes.
Now you have moved up a notch or two, in the 'grunt stakes', I wonder how
long the tranny and diff will be in this world. <VBGrin>

regards

Les, Lost in the land of OZ, with a 351  ...





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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:39:18 EST
Subject: Re: Missed the Spring Break shootout

Les writes:


> Hi Wayne,
>
> I'm errr shattered, I'm stunned, I thought you were persevering with the
> 302 because of class, rego/polution rules, - You always had the opportunity
> to go 351 ???? Why did you ever mess around with the 302 for as long as you
> did anyway?
> I would have pulled the 302 only once and parked it at the back of the
> garage along with the kiddies hoola hoops and bikes.
> Now you have moved up a notch or two, in the 'grunt stakes', I wonder how
> long the tranny and diff will be in this world. <VBGrin>
>

Wayne replies:
Les,
I flirted with the 5.0 for so long because I was trying to prove a point.
Most peoples opinions is that a 5.0 in a truck was a terrible engine, etc,
etc. My point was that I have one of the bigger (longer/heavier) F150 models,
and I was making as much power, if not more power, out of the "poor, weak
little 302". My truck in race trim weighs in at a portly 5202lbs, including
200+lbs of me. In the last 5.0 configuration, a 310, it ran a stout 13.65 101
averaged from 5 runs with a G-Tech accelerometer, which also read that I was
averaging close to 340 HP at the wheels on the nitrous.
As far as the class rules go, we have alcohol burning/turbo powered 1600+ HP
beasts that run mid to low 7 second passes in this class which are NOWHERE
near street legal. The TopTruck rules state that the truck must be Ford, have
a Ford motor, and have a stock configuration pickup bed. That's all the class
requires. We racers of course have to follow the safety rules for what ever
sanctioning body the track is under (NHRA/IHRA).
On the differential and tranny, I am running an AODE/4R70W fortified with Art
Carr, Baumann, and PI parts. It also has some custom work done on it to flow
fluid better and take the abuse I deal it. The differential has already been
beefed with an Auburn Pro, and is getting a main girdle cover this month. My
only real concern is the connection from the second part of the 2 piece drive
shaft with the differential. I have broken it twice on launch and carry and
extra with me at all times. I am trying to get a local machinists with CNC
machines to cut me one out of billet aluminum or Stainless steel, but we are
still hashing on the price.

Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC 351 L powered
ClubFTE #57
NLOC #484
2000 #4 Top Truck
1999 #2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
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ICQ#58060858



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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:09:56 -0800
From: stuart kreitman <stuart.kreitman Sun.COM>
Subject: 4wd package for Aerostar



I'd like to use the failure of the a4ld in my 1990 3.0 as an opportunity
to upgrade
to 4wd.

Since Broncos, Rangers, Explorers are more plentifull that Aerostars,
I'm looking
at porting stuff.
Have received conflicting opinions on  bolt pattern compatibility
between
engines/trannys, Haven't yet delved into driveshaft lengths.  Can anyone
point me
to a source of info for compatibilities?

One option is to grab a rolled-over 4wd, unbolt the body, and bolt on my
Aerostar's body.
This would save re-engineering the driveline.
However, the frame rails appear to be welded to the Aerostar.
Hmnn, maybe leave the frame rails in place and run bolts thru them to
the donor chassis,
pick up 4" of lift,, would that be awfull and dangerous?

Regards,

skk

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:21:34 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: There's Booze in the Blender



>I've been a long time subscriber to the pre 61 list, but I have some
>questions regarding my 88 E-150.
>
>I'm curious about a couple things that I'm sure you guys know.
>Are the performance chip upgrades offered on the FTE site worth the money?
>I'm not looking to hotrod around, but if these chips would improve my towing
>capability without hurting mileage (or possibly the AOD transmission), I
>guess I'd be rooting for my current chip to go out. My rig has a 302/AOD.

It depends.  On a NEW 302, dynos show a 27hp average increase.
For towing, this can help.  However, there is a drawback, one
that many vendors don't like talking about.  You must run premium
fuel or the engine will ping.  You might gain about 1 mpg, but that
may not make up the cost of premium given the high prices right
now.

Here's what a chip does:

Advance the timing for Premium fuel
Change the timing curve for performance.
Alter the air/fuel ratio.
Raise the rev limiter, usually about 400 rpm over stock.
Remove the speed limiter.
Raise the transmission fluid pressure by 20% for firmer shifts.

Also, keep in mind the weight of what you're towing.  If its a
very heavy load, 27hp will not make a huge difference.  Also
remember that the older the engine, the greater the chance is
that you'll get less than the advertised dyno results.  If you
can justify the cost of premium and your loads aren't extremely
heavy, go for it.  Otherwise, I'd rather not have you order
from the site and be disappointed.  Talk to Danny Thibodeaux,
our chip programmer if you have any questions.  He's very honest
about chips and will tell you if he thinks its not in your best
interest to get one (his honesty is the primary reason I
partnered with him).  Danny can be reached at 1-888-544-4626.
Let him know I sent you.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts




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From: "Tim Mortimore" <tcm evergo.net>
Subject: Re: There's Booze in the Blender
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:10:38 -0800

thank you for the excellent commentary on performance chips, I have enough
information now to make an informed choice.

My Scottish blood will not allow for the premium fuel....

Thank you,

Tim Mortimore
>
> It depends.  On a NEW 302, dynos show a 27hp average increase.
> For towing, this can help.  However, there is a drawback, one
> that many vendors don't like talking about.  You must run premium
> fuel or the engine will ping.  You might gain about 1 mpg, but that
> may not make up the cost of premium given the high prices right
> now.
>
> Here's what a chip does:
>
> Advance the timing for Premium fuel
> Change the timing curve for performance.
> Alter the air/fuel ratio.
> Raise the rev limiter, usually about 400 rpm over stock.
> Remove the speed limiter.
> Raise the transmission fluid pressure by 20% for firmer shifts.
>
> Also, keep in mind the weight of what you're towing.  If its a
> very heavy load, 27hp will not make a huge difference.  Also
> remember that the older the engine, the greater the chance is
> that you'll get less than the advertised dyno results.  If you
> can justify the cost of premium and your loads aren't extremely
> heavy, go for it.  Otherwise, I'd rather not have you order
> from the site and be disappointed.  Talk to Danny Thibodeaux,
> our chip programmer if you have any questions.  He's very honest
> about chips and will tell you if he thinks its not in your best
> interest to get one (his honesty is the primary reason I
> partnered with him).  Danny can be reached at 1-888-544-4626.
> Let him know I sent you.
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts




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