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80-96-list Digest Wed, 31 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 022

In This Issue:
Re: Pubs and Idel
Re: 80-96-list Digest V2001 #21
Re: 80-96-list Digest V2001 #21
Re: both headlights burn out at once
Re: pulling a trailer in mountains/flatlands
Profile Ignition Pickup lost?
Re: Profile Ignition Pickup lost?
Intermittent Loss of Power
Superduty/limo pic

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:36:22 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy qwest.net>
Subject: Re: Pubs and Idel


I'd check and make sure the return spring on thr throttle arm is doing it's job.
Does tapping the gas make the RPM drop? The EEC-IV itself won't cause a fast idle.

Bob
Olympia, WA.
with a Bronco, '86 5.0L EFI and AOD.


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> Some back ground on #2:
> When the truck was new the cold idle was about 1500 RPM. Now it's at 1900 RPM.
> Not good. I would like to see about 1200 RPM.
> Thanks in advance for any help with these problems.
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Subject: Re: both headlamps burn out at once!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:37:51 -0000
From: "Conrad" <conrad conrad.uk.net>


> Hi, this is a curious one, last night, I had both headlamps
> burn out at
> around the same time.

usually this would mean the voltage regulator on the alt has died, or
there is a bad connection at the battery end of the battery voltage
sense lead. Lets read on...

> Basically, the old battery wasn't holding a charge in cold
> weather, and my
> digital voltmeter was reading 14.85 volts when idling.  I

Ah, too high. Should be around 14.4v. The high voltage (overcharging) if
likely overheating the bulbs, and has probably also killed the batt
'active material shedding' and all that.

> Is this just a coincidence, or do I have a deeper problem?

I'd say its the battery sense lead. On my E150 its a (I think)
green/yellow wire that runs along with the big thick black/orange wire
from the alt to the starter relay. It measures the voltage at the
battery so the regulator knows when to shut the alt field off. A bad
connection wouuld make the voltage at the batt seem low, which would
make the alt run a bit overtime.

On the van this lead actually terminates on the starter relay (roundish
black thing about 2 inches across with 2 8mm studs and some big wires,
including a cant miss it big yellow one to the fusebox) so I'd just
disconnect the various connectors and clean em up.

could be wrong.... but hope this help at least to rule that out.

Conrad

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:49:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Wagner <bfw hh.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: 80-96-list Digest V2001 #21



> ------------------------------
>
> From: Lwskywalk aol.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:22:24 EST
> Subject: Re: both headlamps burn out at once!
>
> i would say that it was just coincidence seeing how both high beams are
> working i bet it was just time for the lows to go since that is used the
> most.
>
> Luke Welden
>

I am inclined to go along with this, LukeSkywalker, as I decided to be
brave and put two new ones in last night.  They both work just fine.
Maybe it was a sunspot or something...

I'll write again if they blow out again.


Bill Wagner



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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:54:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Wagner <bfw hh.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: 80-96-list Digest V2001 #21



> From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
> Subject: Re: Pulling with an F-150 & compensating for altitude
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:16:36 -0700
>
> Greetings Fellow Ford Fans,
>
>  For What It's Worth, one way to compensate for altitude is to install a
> turbo charger or supercharger. That will more than make up for the less
> dense air you are encountering.


I can't help but wonder that the reason the truck pulls fine on the flats
and poorly in the mountains is for the obvious reason:  it takes less
power to move an extra load in the flat country than to pull it up a
mountain.  I know that my 4.9 litre F150 will cruise at 20mpg all day at
70mph, but even empty, when I want to climb a hill, I use a lot more pedal
to get where I'm going.  When I pull a load, this tendency is even more
pronounced.


Bill Wagner in British Columbia.






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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:10:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Wagner <bfw hh.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: both headlights burn out at once



>
> From: Lwskywalk aol.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:22:24 EST
> Subject: Re: both headlamps burn out at once!
>
> i would say that it was just coincidence seeing how both high beams are
> working i bet it was just time for the lows to go since that is used the
> most.
>
> Luke Welden
>

I am inclined to go along with this, LukeSkywalker, as I decided to be
brave and put two new ones in last night.  They both work just fine.
Maybe it was a sunspot or something...

I'll write again if they blow out again.


Bill Wagner




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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:14:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Wagner <bfw hh.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: pulling a trailer in mountains/flatlands



> From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
> Subject: Re: Pulling with an F-150 & compensating for altitude
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:16:36 -0700
>
> Greetings Fellow Ford Fans,
>
>  For What It's Worth, one way to compensate for altitude is to install a
> turbo charger or supercharger. That will more than make up for the less
> dense air you are encountering.

lI can't help but wonder that the reason the truck pulls fine on the flats
and poorly in the mountains is for the obvious reason:  it takes less
power to move an extra load in the flat country than to pull it up a
mountain.  I know that my 4.9 litre F150 will cruise at 20mpg all day at
70mph, but even empty, when I want to climb a hill, I use a lot more pedal
to get where I'm going.  When I pull a load, this tendency is even more
pronounced.


Bill Wagner in British Columbia.







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From: "davewild ford-trucks.net" <davewild ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 03:02:00 GMT
Subject: Profile Ignition Pickup lost?


Ok guy's I got a problem here. I have a 87' escort wagon (I know  it isn't a
ford truck) anyway, this particular car has been giving me trouble and I just
can't figure it out. It is usually dead in that it won't start, has fuel pressure,
new fuel pump & filter, new ignition coil and a tune up was done on it not long
ago. On the other hand sometimes it will run for days B4 not wanting to run
any more.

So I check the computer for codes, it is an EEC-IV just like on the trucks.
I get codes 14 PIP circuit failure, 87 Primary fuel pump circuit failure, and
33 EGR valve fault not closing properly. I have checked the complete ignition
system coil, wires, connections between computer & Ignition module, ignition
module, hall effect sender in dist, timing, grounds for computer, fuel pump
relay, inertia switch, fuel injector. I have tried to wiggle wires when the
engine stays running for a while.  I found the pow

These are the things I have noticed, I hook a timing light right off the coil
wire and watch the light flash and right b4 the car dies the timing light goes
out for a short period of time and the tach goes all the way to 0 and kind of
flutters up and down until the engine dies.

I just want to know if there is any trick to testing the TFI ignition system
on these Fords so you know what is wrong. Or should I be checking something
other than the ignition, perhaps it is the EGR and nothing to do with ignition,
or a bad computer.

I AM LOST PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!! or this car is dead

Anyway sorry for taking up so much space I appreciate any help I can get it
has been driving me crazy for months now.



Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:35:56 -0800
Subject: Re: Pulling with an F-150
From: Joan and Walt Posluszny <redstone home.com>


Jim,

It depends on the year of your vehicle and the transmission you have.  An
automatic is rated to pull much more weight than some of the older manuals,
(at least in the 150's).  I wanted to pull a 3,600 lb. car (I've never seen
a 2,000 street car) plus the weight of the full trailer, it was more than
the 4sp OD Manual is rated for in my truck.

Walt

> ----------------
>
> From: "Perkins, Jim (Spokane)" <Jim.Perkins getronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pulling with an F-150
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:47:37 -0500
>


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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:46:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Roger Lane <Lanero excite.com>
Subject: Re: Profile Ignition Pickup lost?


I've had the same type of problem (on a Ford Truck).  I got the same code
(Lost PIP).  At first I tried replacing the TFI module, that helped for
awhile, then it started acting up again.  It turned out to be the pick-up in
the dist. (hall effect sensor).  Replaced the pich-up in the dist. and never
had anymore troubles.
The intermitent troubles are usually the hardest to fix.  Mine acted like
the TFI module was shot (would die after it got warmed up).
I think the cost of the sensor was about $12, about an hour to do the job.
HTH
Roger

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 03:02:00 GMT, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

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>  Ok guy's I got a problem here. I have a 87' escort wagon (I know  it
isn't a
>  ford truck) anyway, this particular car has been giving me trouble and I
just
>  can't figure it out. It is usually dead in that it won't start, has fuel
pressure,
>  new fuel pump & filter, new ignition coil and a tune up was done on it
not long
>  ago. On the other hand sometimes it will run for days B4 not wanting to
run
>  any more.
>
>  So I check the computer for codes, it is an EEC-IV just like on the
trucks.
>  I get codes 14 PIP circuit failure, 87 Primary fuel pump circuit failure,
and
>  33 EGR valve fault not closing properly. I have checked the complete
ignition
>  system coil, wires, connections between computer & Ignition module,
ignition
>  module, hall effect sender in dist, timing, grounds for computer, fuel
pump
>  relay, inertia switch, fuel injector. I have tried to wiggle wires when
the
>  engine stays running for a while.  I found the pow
>
>  These are the things I have noticed, I hook a timing light right off the
coil
>  wire and watch the light flash and right b4 the car dies the timing light
goes
>  out for a short period of time and the tach goes all the way to 0 and
kind of
>  flutters up and down until the engine dies.
>
>  I just want to know if there is any trick to testing the TFI ignition
system
>  on these Fords so you know what is wrong. Or should I be checking
something
>  other than the ignition, perhaps it is the EGR and nothing to do with
ignition,
>  or a bad computer.
>
>  I AM LOST PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!! or this car is dead
>
>  Anyway sorry for taking up so much space I appreciate any help I can get
it
>  has been driving me crazy for months now.
>
>
>
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From: jrnoakes texas.net
Subject: Intermittent Loss of Power
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:29:17 -0600

I am having an intermittent problem with my truck where after warming up it
begins to cut out or "spit and sputter" as I call it.  It only does it after
being driven for a while and only when I am applying constant pressure to
the accelerator or when I let off the accelerator.  If I press the
accelerator firmly, then it does not cut out.  Also, it seems to stop after
I toggle the gas tanks.

I just recently changed plugs and wires (they looked great!).

Any help, pointers or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Justen R. Noakes
jrnoakes texas.net

'95 F150, 4.9L, Mazda 5spd, 2wd, 100K miles





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From: kb9odg.mark juno.com
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:17:32 -0600
Subject: Superduty/limo pic


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You will see the link at the top of the page, you can't miss it.  I made
the link very big!

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