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80-96-list Digest Tue, 02 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 002

In This Issue:
Spindle nut removal on 4x4
Re: Spindle nut removal on 4x4
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: Spindle nut removal on 4x4
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: Spindle nut removal on 4x4
Re: Sum question/swap stuff
Re: SB42 Rollback (was CA 66-73 smog check alert!
Re: Sum question/swap stuff
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: Sum question/swap stuff
Installing Sliding Rear Window
Re: Sum question/swap stuff
Re: Sum question/swap stuff
Re: Sum question/swap stuff

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From: "Rex Bennett" <rexbennett eibiz.net>
Subject: Spindle nut removal on 4x4
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:50:41 -0600


All,
I am in the process of replacing the auto hubs on my 95 F150 with a set of
Warn Premiums because one of them refuses to lock.  The problem is when I
removed the existing Auto hubs I found two different hubs, I guess one of
them has been replaced at one time.  One side has what I think of as the
standard spindle nut setup with a nut, lock washer and a second nut. Each
nut has four keyways in them and I have a tool to remove these nuts.  The
problem is the other side has what looks like a single round nut with holes
all the way around it and a modified looking C clip bent on one end to lock
it in place.  I checked with the parts house I normally deal with and they
don't have anything to remove it with.  I think I have to replace this nut
with the standard type to use the Warn hubs so I just need to get it off
without damaging anything else.  Does anyone know a good place to find this
tool or a way to remove this nut without it?

Thanks
Rex


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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Spindle nut removal on 4x4
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:38:25 -0700


If you can get the c-clip thing unbent, you might be able to take a long
punch and stick it in one of the holes and hit the side of the punch with a
hammer while holding one end in the nut and the other end in your hand or on
a jack stand or something.  If the torque isn't too high on this lock nut,
it might come free.

Are the "holes" actual holes, or slots?  On the Dana 50 that I have, the nut
is round but has 6 radial slots that my hub socket tool's pins engage.  If
you have slots, the precision of the diameter of the "hole" circle is not
critical.

If you can get the grease off of the nut to get a good look at it, you might
want to look through all your parts guy's special tools.  For me, their book
said one thing but the tool that was specified couldn't have worked.
Knowing what I was looking for, I was able to get the right one, which was
pretty different.

Another option would be to fabricate a tool.  If you could find a piece of
scrap pipe that was thick enough and the right diameter, you can drill some
holes in the end of the pipe in the right pattern/spacing and secure some
pins in the holes and use the tool to remove the wrench.  You could use
loctite if you don't have a torch.  For pins, you could use those gun nails
that are ultra-hard and grind the head and points off.  You'll likely want
to use hardened steel for the pins.

A third option that comes to mind is to get two long punches that will fit
into the holes.  Then take some scrap steel and some vice grips and clamp
the punches to the steel to make a squared off U with the tips of the
punches in the holes.  Then put a lever between the arms of the U and twist.
Just an idea.

Hope that helps.

Chip
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rex Bennett [mailto:rexbennett eibiz.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:51 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Spindle nut removal on 4x4
>
>
>
> All,
> I am in the process of replacing the auto hubs on my 95 F150
> with a set of
> Warn Premiums because one of them refuses to lock.  The
> problem is when I
> removed the existing Auto hubs I found two different hubs, I
> guess one of
> them has been replaced at one time.  One side has what I
> think of as the
> standard spindle nut setup with a nut, lock washer and a
> second nut. Each
> nut has four keyways in them and I have a tool to remove
> these nuts.  The
> problem is the other side has what looks like a single round
> nut with holes
> all the way around it and a modified looking C clip bent on
> one end to lock
> it in place.  I checked with the parts house I normally deal
> with and they
> don't have anything to remove it with.  I think I have to
> replace this nut
> with the standard type to use the Warn hubs so I just need to
> get it off
> without damaging anything else.  Does anyone know a good
> place to find this
> tool or a way to remove this nut without it?
>
> Thanks
> Rex
>
>

------------------------------

From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:39:33 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


i didnt know that the 96 f150 had a 4.6 in it?!? 97's do

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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:42:17 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??




Lwskywalk aol.com wrote:
>
> i didnt know that the 96 f150 had a 4.6 in it?!? 97's do


I didn't think they had them till 97 too!! Got any pics?

                           OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:43:58 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


got any pics of what? trucks ?
luke

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From: "Rex Bennett" <rexbennett eibiz.net>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:58:24 -0600


Opps.. your right it is a 97.

Rex

-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Lwskywalk aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:40 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: What year extended cab to pursue??



i didnt know that the 96 f150 had a 4.6 in it?!? 97's do



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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:01:26 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??




Lwskywalk aol.com wrote:
>
> got any pics of what? trucks ?
> luke

Pic of a 4.6 in a 96 ford F-series??

                    OX
--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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From: "CRAIG CATRON" <onionman worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Spindle nut removal on 4x4
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:37:18 -0500


Had the same problem on my 250. after 3 hours of running around trying to
find the right tool ....I used a pair of needle nose pliers and a
screwdriver to get the half c clip off  then after making a tool for the nut
(by grinding up one i had jus bought} the nut was only on finger tight. the
other side took 20 min.
onion
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Bennett" <rexbennett eibiz.net>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:50 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] Spindle nut removal on 4x4


>
> All,
> I am in the process of replacing the auto hubs on my 95 F150 with a set of
> Warn Premiums because one of them refuses to lock.  The problem is when I
> removed the existing Auto hubs I found two different hubs, I guess one of
> them has been replaced at one time.  One side has what I think of as the
> standard spindle nut setup with a nut, lock washer and a second nut. Each
> nut has four keyways in them and I have a tool to remove these nuts.  The
> problem is the other side has what looks like a single round nut with
holes
> all the way around it and a modified looking C clip bent on one end to
lock
> it in place.  I checked with the parts house I normally deal with and they
> don't have anything to remove it with.  I think I have to replace this nut
> with the standard type to use the Warn hubs so I just need to get it off
> without damaging anything else.  Does anyone know a good place to find
this
> tool or a way to remove this nut without it?
>
> Thanks
> Rex
>
>
>


------------------------------

From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:34:39 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


oh brain fart..  no but i have a 94 with a 351w

luke

------------------------------

From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Spindle nut removal on 4x4
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:39:17 -0700


I discovered a handy technique for the C shaped snap rings with holes in
them.  I put needle nose pliers in the little holes and use a big
screwdriver between the jaws of the pliers.  It provides more control over
what you're doing as well as being easier.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CRAIG CATRON [mailto:onionman worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:37 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Spindle nut removal on 4x4
>
>
>
> Had the same problem on my 250. after 3 hours of running
> around trying to
> find the right tool ....I used a pair of needle nose pliers and a
> screwdriver to get the half c clip off  then after making a
> tool for the nut
> (by grinding up one i had jus bought} the nut was only on
> finger tight. the
> other side took 20 min.
> onion
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rex Bennett" <rexbennett eibiz.net>
> To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:50 PM
> Subject: [80-96-list] Spindle nut removal on 4x4
>
>
> >
> > All,
> > I am in the process of replacing the auto hubs on my 95
> F150 with a set of
> > Warn Premiums because one of them refuses to lock.  The
> problem is when I
> > removed the existing Auto hubs I found two different hubs,
> I guess one of
> > them has been replaced at one time.  One side has what I
> think of as the
> > standard spindle nut setup with a nut, lock washer and a
> second nut. Each
> > nut has four keyways in them and I have a tool to remove
> these nuts.  The
> > problem is the other side has what looks like a single
> round nut with
> holes
> > all the way around it and a modified looking C clip bent on
> one end to
> lock
> > it in place.  I checked with the parts house I normally
> deal with and they
> > don't have anything to remove it with.  I think I have to
> replace this nut
> > with the standard type to use the Warn hubs so I just need
> to get it off
> > without damaging anything else.  Does anyone know a good
> place to find
> this
> > tool or a way to remove this nut without it?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Rex
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:43:01 -0600
From: "EyEHATE-TTB'z" <dahorse jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: Sum question/swap stuff


Hmmmmm...sounds like a bit of a trouble spot.,,,, will it start my Big
big block ya thinks OX?
I respect yr pinion...(cept with hub caps:-P)

Norm

James Oxley wrote:
>
> EyEHATE-TTB'z wrote:
> >
>
> > 4) Starters. late model 460 gear reduction starters intrest me for this
> > swap...... any problems or are they as relaible as I am hoping?
> >
>
>  Mine seems lame, but who knows what type of abuse it has seen. Also,
> connector to solenoid is a "spade" connector, not bolted up. Gets
> corroded and then it won't start until you climb under and jiggle it
> around a little :-).
>
>                               OX
>
> --
> 78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
> boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
> mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
> 79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
> SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
> 79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
> 19.3 40, not puling boat)
> 86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
> 90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
> 95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

------------------------------

From: "les williams" <lesw cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: SB42 Rollback (was CA 66-73 smog check alert!
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:04:43 +1100


Hi Chuck,

As nice as  it would be for me to front up the meeting, it's not possible.
Would you be kind enough to share more details on exactly what is going on
regards older more 'classic' cars ? Not so much the legal mumbo-jumbo, but
how you actually live with it. If you feel it's too boring to the list in
general, please post off list.
As you point out as Ca goes, so does the rest of the USA. Well I got news
for you. If it's 'swallowed' in the USA, we get it down here, simply based
on the assumption, it must be 'good for you' cause the Ca/USA has it ...
and I guess I'd be happier with that IF I could buy an Effie for the same
price as you.

regards

Les, Still lost in the land of OZ.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Sanborn" <slammer deltanet.com>
To: <fordnatics mustangworks.com>
Cc: <TFFN quik.com>; <classic-mustangs mix.twistedpair.ca>;
<80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:38 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] SB42 Rollback (was CA 66-73 smog check alert!


>
> I have just received more information on this from Jim Thomas of
> the National Motorists Association, and it is no hoax!
> The CA Inspection and Maintenance Review Committee (IMRC)
> has proposed and passed their draft recommendations to
> "include the 1966-1973 vehicles in the Smog Check program with
> an exemption for classic cars and restrict the test to actual
> emissions.  Alternatively, eliminate the rolling exemption".  AND
> "to make all 1966-1973 vehicles eligible for the Vehicle Retirement
> Program".
> Remember, as California goes, so goes the nation (at least as far
> as smog check is concerned).
> Please notify any interested parties of this and if you can make the
> Jan 18th meeting in Sacremento at the Dept of Consumer Affairs
> Conference Room 400 R st, Ground floor, 10am - 4pm
>
>
> Chuck
> Chuck Sanborn
> Torrance, CA
> 1964 Falcon Sprint
>
>
>



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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 20:13:57 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Sum question/swap stuff




EyEHATE-TTB'z wrote:
>
> Hmmmmm...sounds like a bit of a trouble spot.,,,, will it start my Big
> big block ya thinks OX?
> I respect yr pinion...(cept with hub caps:-P)
>

 Seems like it turns over real slow, even when it's warm out (maybe
it's supposed to that way???). This 460 seems to take along time to
start. haven't headr any others start, so I have no comparison. Could
also be battery, connections, etc... since this truck had a plow and was
from Pa., stuff might be corroded under there.

                                         OX

------------------------------

From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:12:00 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??

Wayne,
            Information appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill in KY



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From: "Jared Templin" <jtemplin21 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sum question/swap stuff
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 19:39:49 -0800


>I have the great "pleasure" of owning a 91 Bronco..and have a few plans
>in the works and would like to see if anyone can help me with a few
>questions I am entertaining!

Norm....while you are ditching the TTB do you want to just go ahead and
ditch that 5 lug dynatrac D60 and send it to me.....I mean you want 8 lugs
anyway right?

>1) Cruise control on 91 I understand requires interface with sum of the
>electronics in ECM?
>  if this is true...What year "carbed" non ECM equipped rig should I be
>considering aquiring Cruise unit from...and can I retain the 91 steering
>colume and the like?

Not sure.....87 would be the same body style though and should be carbed so
that may be your best bet????

>3) Who builds a nice high quality "shorty" header for the 460 EFI rigs.I
>know manufactures that build em.  what I wanna know is anyone have sum
>and how do you like there fitment?

I have been wondering this too, but haven't found a lot of choices for
shorty headers so far.  OX has the Thorley's, but they are a long tube as
far as I know and he commented on the bad job of chroming they
did....haven't heard if he has them installed yet.  Borla, Gibson, JBA, and
Banks all make the headers as well, but as far as I know they are all long
tube setups....at least somewhat long tube.

>4) Starters. late model 460 gear reduction starters intrest me for this
>swap...... any problems or are they as relaible as I am hoping?

The starter in my 95 F250 seems to work good if that is the same type you
are commenting on....Course it only has to turn over a stock motor, and I
don't abuse it.......Don't worry Norm if someone can break it you can ;-)

Jared
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From: "Al Powell" <powellae home.com>
Subject: Installing Sliding Rear Window
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:33:59 -0700


Chuck asked:
> From: chuck & kathy sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
> Subject: Rear slider install instructions needed
>
> I just got a new slider for my 86 F150 and need VERY EXPLICIT
> instructions on how to remove the old one and install the new
> one.  Tools needed, etc.

Hey, here's one I can help with!  Just did this on my 93 F-150.

Chuck, it's EASY - no more than a 30 minute job, even the first time.
Before starting, take a good look at your rear window gasket.  If it's in
rough shape, get a replacement...no reason not to get a good install because
of that.  Then:

1)  With helper standing in bed of truck, press old window out of gasket
from inside cab.  (If the gasket is old and stiff, you might want to try
treating the outside part of the gasket with silicone an hour or so before
the work - might soften it.)  Wearing eye protection for this removal
procedure isn't a bad idea just in case the window shatters for some reason.
This glass is tempered, so it will shatter, not crack.

2)  Remove gasket from truck body; treat with silicone spray to renew it as
much as possible.  Install old gasket around new window.  Hint: make sure
the sliding window assembly is pointing inside the cab!  (Sounds simple, but
we all make mistakes.)

3)  Lay a 1/8" or larger rope inside the channel all around the gasket.
Leave a foot or more outside the channel on each end; this rope will be used
to pull the gasket lip inside the truck when installing.  Hint: note the
position of the trailing end of the rope...DO NOT leave the trailing end on
the outside - make sure the trailing end is inside the cab when you begin
installation.  (This prevents you from pulling all the trailing end through
the gasket after the window is in place.  Don't ask how I know this,
please...)

4)  Have your helper standing in the bed sit the gasket/window assembly in
place across the bottom of the window opening.  Center the window,  then
start pulling the rope around the opening; as you do this, pull the inner
lip of the gasket into place inside the cab.  Some grunting and strong
fingers are required.  The silicone you sprayed on earlier will reduce
friction during this process.  Work your way all around the window, and
you're done!

5)  Open beverage of choice for you and helper, then figure out what to do
with old window.

I'm going to call a local glass place and see if they want my old window
free.  If not, I have no idea what to do with it.  Any (helpful) ideas?
Anyone need a free solid rear window for a 93 F-150?

--------------------------------------------------------------
Al Powell
Fort Collins, CO
'58 Fiat 1200 Spyder
'83 Datsun 280 ZXT
'90 Audi 200
'90 Ford F-150
powellae home.com
---------------------------------------------------------------


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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:43:27 -0600
From: "EyEHATE-TTB'z" <dahorse jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: Sum question/swap stuff


Heya Jared

Nah I ahve to keep the Dana 60 5 lug floater rear... it matches my 5 lug
front Dana 60 ;-)
Ta think the length one will go to run those nice beadlok wheels
eh?.LMAO

Norm
who btw has not broke squat since I started driving a Scout!
wohooooooo (IH-Motorsports) "Fastest Scout in Wisconsin"

Jared Templin wrote:

> Norm....while you are ditching the TTB do you want to just go ahead and
> ditch that 5 lug dynatrac D60 and send it to me.....I mean you want 8 lugs
> anyway right?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:38:30 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Sum question/swap stuff




EyEHATE-TTB'z wrote:
>
> Heya Jared
>
> Nah I ahve to keep the Dana 60 5 lug floater rear... it matches my 5 lug
> front Dana 60 ;-)
> Ta think the length one will go to run those nice beadlok wheels
> eh?.LMAO
>
> Norm
> who btw has not broke squat since I started driving a Scout!
>  wohooooooo (IH-Motorsports) "Fastest Scout in Wisconsin"
>

Liar, you told me you broke a front U-joint and axle, LOL!!!!

                             OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:25:09 -0600
From: "EyEHATE-TTB'z" <dahorse ....


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