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80-96-list Digest Fri, 12 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 010

In This Issue:
1985 F350 For Sale
Re: Message Order
Re: erratic engine higher rpms
Re: Message Order
Re: erratic engine higher rpms
Burp Approaching
Re: Message Order
Re: Message Order
Re: Message Order
Re: Speedometer Calibration
Re: Message Order
Re: Message Order
Re: So...I need to Burp my truck eh?
ADMIN: New FTE record
A true Dual Exhaust w/Headers
ADMIN: New list policy
Fwd: Re: erratic engine higher rpms
Re: ADMIN: New list policy
Re: ADMIN: New list policy
Re: ADMIN: New list policy
ADMIN: More... New list policy
Re: ADMIN: More... New list policy
Re: ADMIN: More... New list policy
Re: ADMIN: More... New list policy

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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:14:01 -0700
From: Andrew Antipas <aantipas sopris.net>
Subject: 1985 F350 For Sale


I'm selling my '85 F350, 4x4, crew cab, 4spd, 460, ac, cruise, limited
slip, goose neck hitch, receiver hitch, capper, brake control, new:
brakes, clutch, fan clutch, black paint. 125,000 miles and the engine
runs strong and does not burn oil. The truck is located in western
Colorado. If interested email me directly. Thanks, Andy


------------------------------

From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Message Order
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:17:59 -0700


This problem doesn't happen directly to me, but it may be that nothing is
"wrong" at all.  I often see this on other lists, and especially at my
appartment where I download mail every 1/2 hr.

Here's a possible scenario.  A machine is running sendmail and gets bogged
down and stops recieving messages.   The machine sending mail to this bogged
down machine then queues up the messages until the next "run", often around
1/2 to 1 hr.  In the mean time, the replies to the original message are sent
out.  The originally bogged down machine has cleared out its mail queue and
is ready to process/recieve messages.  The reply messages now go straight
through to your machine.  Then the queue is processed and the original
questions go through, now after the answers arrived.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rexbennett eibiz.net [mailto:rexbennett eibiz.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:52 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Message Order
>
>
>
> I have been getting the messages out of order the last couple
> of days, is
> any one else getting this or have I messed something up on my
> end?  It gets
> a little confusing when you get the answer before the
> question.  Even the
> time stamps show some of the replies before the original message.
>
> Rex
>
>

------------------------------

From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: erratic engine higher rpms
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:32:11 -0700


Do you know if the timing is advancing properly?  You can use a timing light
to check it as you rev the engine with everything connected.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lingus0169 aol.com [mailto:Lingus0169 aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:47 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] erratic engine higher rpms
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> For those who have been around for while, I am back, i
> swapped in a 351w into
> a 85 f150 4x4 which had a 300 I-6. It was quite a project
> till i was all done
> with everything,including changing 2 rears in 1 week.
> But here is my problem.  i set my timing to 10* BTC, (its a
> high performance
> engine 400hp). it idles smooth and as you depress the gas
> pedal gradually, it
> stays smooth and sounds great untill i get to about 3K rpm's,
> fomr there on
> if i keep giving it more gas gradually, it runs like hell. it
> seems like its
> missing and the timing is thrown off, but everything is set
> right right,
> timing,point gap in the distributer, the only thing i can
> think of is the
> fuel mixture, but would that make it that erratic? thankx for
> your help in
> advance
> nick
> 85 f150 4x4 np208/t-18 dana 44/60 400hp 351w
> also 89 f250 leaf sprung IFS ext cab 351w auto
>

------------------------------

From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Message Order
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:57:13 -0600

I have always had that problem, sometimes I don't get the original message until everyone has answered the question, sometimes even a week or two after that! I never gave it much thought though, I assumed it was some kind of problem with my email server.

Garrett www.1966ford.com


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: rexbennett eibiz.net
 To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
 Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 9:51 AM
 Subject: [80-96-list] Message Order



 I have been getting the messages out of order the last couple of days, is
 any one else getting this or have I messed something up on my end?  It gets
 a little confusing when you get the answer before the question.  Even the
 time stamps show some of the replies before the original message.

 Rex




------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:17:34 -0700
From: Robert Hansen <rhansen uwyo.edu>
Subject: Re: erratic engine higher rpms


This rig has a 4 barrel carb on it right?  It sounds like the float levels
are off.  If it is a Holley or Ford Motorcraft then resetting it is a
matter of taking out the plugs on the side of the carb and adjusting the
level until the fuel just does not run out.  The threads on the adjuster
are really fine so it takes a bit to get it where you need it.  The engine
is running while doing this so be careful with the fuel that may spill on
your hot manifold.

This will make more sense if you are familiar with the Holley line.

I had the same sounding problem last winter, very frustrating.

Good luck


-----Original Message-----
From: Lingus0169 aol.com [SMTP:Lingus0169 aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:47 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] erratic engine higher rpms


Hi all,
For those who have been around for while, I am back, i swapped in a 351w
into
a 85 f150 4x4 which had a 300 I-6. It was quite a project till i was all
done
with everything,including changing 2 rears in 1 week.
But here is my problem.  i set my timing to 10* BTC, (its a high
performance
engine 400hp). it idles smooth and as you depress the gas pedal gradually,
it
stays smooth and sounds great untill i get to about 3K rpm's, fomr there on
if i keep giving it more gas gradually, it runs like hell. it seems like
its
missing and the timing is thrown off, but everything is set right right,
timing,point gap in the distributer, the only thing i can think of is the
fuel mixture, but would that make it that erratic? thankx for your help in
advance
nick
85 f150 4x4 np208/t-18 dana 44/60 400hp 351w
also 89 f250 leaf sprung IFS ext cab 351w auto


------------------------------

From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Burp Approaching
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:22:52 -0700

This morning before starting the truck, I checked the coolant reservoir and
it was level with the mark label COLD. Okay so the system must have just
about all of the capacity it should hold.
We are fast approaching swapping the hoses to the heater core. Will do that
tomorrow morning once the sun warms things up a bit. It has to be something
blocking the flow,...who put that idea in my head? I like it, thanks.
Sunday if the heater still does not produce heat, then the burping will
ensue. The highest point is certainly the propane regulator coolant lines,
that will be easy to access. I can leave the engine running, crack the line
and see what happens.

Steve:
 As far as the brand of thermostat is concerned I really don't recall. It
was purchased at Checker Auto Parts. I seem to remember the cardboard
backing being striped yellow and blue? I looked for the bleed off nipple so
that I could install it correctly and noticed there was none.
If none of the above work I will remove the thermostat cover and see if I
installed it wrong. Maybe since it's mounted in the verticle position on the
5.0L it slipped during the installation? I do remember the cover being
grooved to accept the thermostat, I imagine that if it were installed
incorrectly I would develop a leak but I do not beleive I have. There is no
tell-tale drips/wet spots, nor the infamous smell of anti-freeze.

Thanks Chuck, Bob, Steve,D.P. Whipkey, Steve, Uncle Les and all others.

Phred
Chile feet in 1995 F-150 5.0L.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:36:00 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Message Order


At 10:51 AM 1/12/01, you wrote:

>I have been getting the messages out of order the last couple of days, is
>any one else getting this or have I messed something up on my end?  It gets
>a little confusing when you get the answer before the question.  Even the
>time stamps show some of the replies before the original message.
>
>Rex

Rex,

The list server sends the posts in the order received.  Your
software is probably ordering posts by date/time and some
people either don't have their date/time set right, time zone
set up correctly or their email software doesn't transmit all
of this information.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:46:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Message Order


At 11:17 AM 1/12/01, you wrote:

>This problem doesn't happen directly to me, but it may be that nothing is
>"wrong" at all.  I often see this on other lists, and especially at my
>appartment where I download mail every 1/2 hr.
>
>Here's a possible scenario.  A machine is running sendmail and gets bogged
>down and stops recieving messages.   The machine sending mail to this bogged
>down machine then queues up the messages until the next "run", often around
>1/2 to 1 hr.  In the mean time, the replies to the original message are sent
>out.  The originally bogged down machine has cleared out its mail queue and
>is ready to process/recieve messages.  The reply messages now go straight
>through to your machine.  Then the queue is processed and the original
>questions go through, now after the answers arrived.
>
>Chip

We're pretty good as far as machine resources.  Less than 5% overall
CPU usage and the system is running 512 megabytes of RAM (the swap
file has NEVER been hit).  At most times, there are less than 100
emails in the queue, pretty good considering the tens of thousands
of emails sent per day.  If anything FTE over builds our resources.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



------------------------------

From: rexbennett eibiz.net
Subject: Re: Message Order
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:49:19 -0600


Thanks,

It's probably my mail server, it only started in the last couple of days and
I was trying to figure out where the problem might be.  I should have known
it wasn't the FTE server ;)

Keep up the good work Ken.
Rex

-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Payne
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:36 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Message Order



At 10:51 AM 1/12/01, you wrote:

>I have been getting the messages out of order the last couple of days, is
>any one else getting this or have I messed something up on my end?  It gets
>a little confusing when you get the answer before the question.  Even the
>time stamps show some of the replies before the original message.
>
>Rex

Rex,

The list server sends the posts in the order received.  Your
software is probably ordering posts by date/time and some
people either don't have their date/time set right, time zone
set up correctly or their email software doesn't transmit all
of this information.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts





------------------------------

From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:06:19 EST
Subject: Re: Speedometer Calibration


what i did was went to a speedometer place and they only charge like 25$ in
georgia i dont know where you live but it was a whole lot less hassle

luke

------------------------------

From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:06:49 EST
Subject: Re: Message Order


im not gettin a out of order message

luke

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:33:16 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Message Order


At 02:49 PM 1/12/01, you wrote:

>Thanks,
>
>It's probably my mail server, it only started in the last couple of days and
>I was trying to figure out where the problem might be.  I should have known
>it wasn't the FTE server ;)
>
>Keep up the good work Ken.
>Rex

Rex,

When something happens with the FTE server I'm made painfully
aware of it by hundreds of e-mails from the users!  The fiasco
of last January/February when the lists were down for 2 weeks
is still fresh!

Ken


------------------------------

From: "les williams" <lesw cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: So...I need to Burp my truck eh?
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:57:56 +1100




Hi Nephew Phred,

There has to be a better, more environmentally friendly and socially
acceptable way of clearing the roads of Chebys !! ;-))

regards

[Uncle] Les, Still lost in the Land of OZ.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Moreno" <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:22 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] So...I need to Burp my truck eh?


>  My question remains, was the Dominoes pizza delivery girl's truck a
Cheby?
>
>  Thanks to all,
>
>  Phred
>  1995 F-150 4X4 propane or gasoline fed 5.0L with a 5-speed and 204K
miles.
>
>





------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:23:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: New FTE record


Just an FYI to the Ford Truck Enthusiasts users....

We just completed analyzing the web server log files for
December 2000.  We had a amazing 675,000+ visitors for the
month, double what we did in the Summer.  FTE is on track
for our goal of 1 million visitors/month by Spring 2001.
Thanks to everyone for your support over the years.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



------------------------------

From: "ideasusr" <ideasusr home.com>
Subject: A true Dual Exhaust w/Headers
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:56:52 -0600


Hello All,

I am a first time writer, but long a time reader. I am more than positive
most of you Ford fans out there can help me with something. I am wanting to
rid my truck from the catayletic converter and switch to a true dual exhaust
system. What has to take place in order for this to happen regarding any
sensors and what not. Also, where should I start looking for headers,
meaning will regualr 5.0L "shorties" work or will all the major brand
producers make headers that fit my truck? By chance what size of ID pipe
should I use, 2 1/2".

Thanks a bunch!
ideasusr home.com
'93 F-150, 4x4, 5.0L.


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:26:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: New list policy


Since December 2, FTE has received a total of 24 emails from
list subscribers containing the "Sexy Fun" virus (sometimes
known as "Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs").

In each case, our anti-virus software has caught it.
Additionally, the list server has successfully stripped
virus code 36 times since Dec 2 (you can't get a virus
through our list server because it strips all attachments).

I don't know who started this epidemic but everyone who's
system has sent a virus is at fault.  Anyone with a computer
connected to the Internet should, without exception, run
anti-virus software.

Our new policy is:
Make sure you have anti-virus software on your computer.
Although our list software rejects posts with attachments,
we are notified by it of all attachments.  If we receive
notification that a virus was sent by your system, you will
be removed immediately and banned from resubscribing.

In other words, if your system sends a virus, you can't
resubscribe ---- forever.  Yes, this is harsh, but the issue
is very serious.  What would you do if you received emails
with virus attachments 1-5 times per day?  If you don't have
anti-virus software, do yourself a favor and get it.  Then
run the update utility every week or two.

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


------------------------------

From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:40:36 EST
Subject: Fwd: Re: erratic engine higher rpms

In a message dated 1/12/01 1:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, rhansen uwyo.edu
writes:

<< This rig has a 4 barrel carb on it right?  It sounds like the float levels
are off.  >>

Yes it has a 4 barrel on it. It is a new Edelbrock 600 part # 1405. any info
on changing the float levels on this would be helpfull, thankx
nick


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This rig has a 4 barrel carb on it right?  It sounds like the float levels
are off.  If it is a Holley or Ford Motorcraft then resetting it is a
matter of taking out the plugs on the side of the carb and adjusting the
level until the fuel just does not run out.  The threads on the adjuster
are really fine so it takes a bit to get it where you need it.  The engine
is running while doing this so be careful with the fuel that may spill on
your hot manifold.

This will make more sense if you are familiar with the Holley line.

I had the same sounding problem last winter, very frustrating.

Good luck


-----Original Message-----
From:   Lingus0169 aol.com [SMTP:Lingus0169 aol.com]
Sent:   Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:47 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:    [80-96-list] erratic engine higher rpms


Hi all,
For those who have been around for while, I am back, i swapped in a 351w
into
a 85 f150 4x4 which had a 300 I-6. It was quite a project till i was all
done
with everything,including changing 2 rears in 1 week.
But here is my problem.  i set my timing to 10* BTC, (its a high
performance
engine 400hp). it idles smooth and as you depress the gas pedal gradually,
it
stays smooth and sounds great untill i get to about 3K rpm's, fomr there on
if i keep giving it more gas gradually, it runs like hell. it seems like
its
missing and the timing is thrown off, but everything is set right right,
timing,point gap in the distributer, the only thing i can think of is the
fuel mixture, but would that make it that erratic? thankx for your help in
advance
nick
85 f150 4x4 np208/t-18 dana 44/60 400hp 351w
also 89 f250 leaf sprung IFS ext cab 351w auto





------------------------------

From: "Rex Bennett" <rexbennett eibiz.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: New list policy
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:46:18 -0600


While I agree with 99% of this policy you can't say that just because you
run an antivirus program and keep it updated you are 100% protected.  I am
very diligent with antivirus software on the systems I am responsible for
and run forced updates at least once a week but there are times when a virus
spreads too fast and the antivirus venders get caught.  For example "I Love
You Virus" hit our systems nearly a day before there was fix and there are
sure to be more like this in the future.  Certainly repeat offenders or
people passing old viruses should be dealt with but I would hate to see
someone permanently banned from the list when they are taking very good
precautions and get hit with one of these viruses that there is no
protection for.

Keep up the very good work you do running this list.
Rex

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Payne
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:26 PM
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com;
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Subject: [80-96-list] ADMIN: New list policy



Since December 2, FTE has received a total of 24 emails from
list subscribers containing the "Sexy Fun" virus (sometimes
known as "Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs").

In each case, our anti-virus software has caught it.
Additionally, the list server has successfully stripped
virus code 36 times since Dec 2 (you can't get a virus
through our list server because it strips all attachments).

I don't know who started this epidemic but everyone who's
system has sent a virus is at fault.  Anyone with a computer
connected to the Internet should, without exception, run
anti-virus software.

Our new policy is:
Make sure you have anti-virus software on your computer.
Although our list software rejects posts with attachments,
we are notified by it of all attachments.  If we receive
notification that a virus was sent by your system, you will
be removed immediately and banned from resubscribing.

In other words, if your system sends a virus, you can't
resubscribe ---- forever.  Yes, this is harsh, but the issue
is very serious.  What would you do if you received emails
with virus attachments 1-5 times per day?  If you don't have
anti-virus software, do yourself a favor and get it.  Then
run the update utility every week or two.

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts




------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:57:57 -0800
From: chuck & kathy sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: New list policy


At 09:26 PM 1/12/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Since December 2, FTE has received a total of 24 emails from
>list subscribers containing the "Sexy Fun" virus (sometimes
>known as "Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs").
>
>I

Ken,
My McAfee hasn't caught this one (I get it with a .scr) extension but
I sure as heck don't open it.  AND it's coming for a MAILER-DAEMON
 address!!
Also Midgets3.scr from same address.  I have tried to return them but
doubt if I had any luck.
Chuck




------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:12:02 -0800
From: chuck & kathy sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: New list policy


I agree with and second Rex's motion.  Repeat offenders yes, but once in
awhile type stuff is not negligent or purposeful.
What would happen say, if Phred passed on a virus that he didn't even
know that he had?  I'd hate to see that resource banned for life.
Chuck

At 08:46 PM 1/12/01 -0600, you wrote:
>.  Certainly repeat offenders or
>people passing old viruses should be dealt with but I would hate to see
>someone permanently banned from the list when they are taking very good
>precautions and get hit with one of these viruses that there is no
>protection for.
>
>Keep up the very good work you do running this list.
>Rex


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:24:46 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: More... New list policy


This email is in response to a question/concern posted on a couple
of the mailing lists....

First, if anyone doesn't believe the virus isn't a serious problem, I just
received two more email's from list members while writing this that had
the previously mentioned virus attached.

Second, it takes far too much time to keep a score board of who's been
warned and who hasn't.  I'm not going to be an absolute tyrant, if the
virus is too new for anti-virus software I certainly won't fault the user.

If however, the virus is currently covered by anti-virus software they'll
be unsubscribed.  I understand that not everyone is computer savvy, but
anti-virus software is a basic necessity.  Since viruses make prime-time
news, how can anyone not be aware that they exist?  No one gets AIDS on
purpose, but anyone having sex out of wed-lock without a condom has no
one to blame but themselves if they get infected.  Likewise, take
precaution with your system and it will not get infected.  There's one
way users can prevent infection of their system even by new viruses that
haven't yet been added to their anti-virus software:

Don't open executable attachments (including self-extracting ZIPs),
don't open screen saver attachments and don't use Microsoft e-mail
software or if you do use it, turn off macros.

Also, my family and FTE's employees are entirely dependent on the
operation of FTE's 5 computer systems in order to make a living.  The
list users are not dependant on the operation of our systems in order
to earn a paycheck.  We, however, are.  There's more here at stake
than someone not being able to read list mail.  Let me put it this
way.... if you ran a business and someone wrote you a check that
bounced, would you take a check from them again?

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Rex Bennett" <rexbennett eibiz.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: More... New list policy
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:41:16 -0600


I agree with you totally on this don't get me wrong.  I was just a little
concerned about the once every year or two virus that has no protection.  I
personally think you are doing an outstanding job with the list, much better
that any other list I am now or have been apart of.

Rex

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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 9:25 PM
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Subject: [80-96-list] ADMIN: More... New list policy



This email is in response to a question/concern posted on a couple
of the mailing lists....

First, if anyone doesn't believe the virus isn't a serious problem, I just
received two more email's from list members while writing this that had
the previously mentioned virus attached.

Second, it takes far too much time to keep a score board of who's been
warned and who hasn't.  I'm not going to be an absolute tyrant, if the
virus is too new for anti-virus software I certainly won't fault the user.

If however, the virus is currently covered by anti-virus software they'll
be unsubscribed.  I understand that not everyone is computer savvy, but
anti-virus software is a basic necessity.  Since viruses make prime-time
news, how can anyone not be aware that they exist?  No one gets AIDS on
purpose, but anyone having sex out of wed-lock without a condom has no
one to blame but themselves if they get infected.  Likewise, take
precaution with your system and it will not get infected.  There's one
way users can prevent infection of their system even by new viruses that
haven't yet been added to their anti-virus software:

Don't open executable attachments (including self-extracting ZIPs),
don't open screen saver attachments and don't use Microsoft e-mail
software or if you do use it, turn off macros.

Also, my family and FTE's employees are entirely dependent on the
operation of FTE's 5 computer systems in order to make a living.  The
list users are not dependant on the operation of our systems in order
to earn a paycheck.  We, however, are.  There's more here at stake
than someone not being able to read list mail.  Let me put it this
way.... if you ran a business and someone wrote you a check that
bounced, would you take a check from them again?

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts





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From: "Mike Miller" <mikemilr blackfoot.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: More... New list policy
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:17:50 -0700


So if someone has their Norton LiveUpdate set to run the 1st of every month
and a virus comes out the 2nd of the month and they propogate it, they are
permanently banned..   Pretty harsh it sounds like. I think you need to
think about this a little more before issuing permanent policy. I can
appreciate your position as list master, but I think you need to give the
average user a little time to respond to a normal virus threat. After all,
Norton default is to run once a month and the typical user has no clue how
to change that. It is fortunate that the list server filters out attachments
and does not contaminate the list, so why be so harsh on your rules?

mike miller



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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:03:20 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: More... New list policy


At 04:17 AM 1/13/01, you wrote:

>So if someone has their Norton LiveUpdate set to run the 1st of every month
>and a virus comes out the 2nd of the month and they propogate it, they are
>permanently banned..   Pretty harsh it sounds like. I think you need to
>think about this a little more before issuing permanent policy. I can
>appreciate your position as list master, but I think you need to give the
>average user a little time to respond to a normal virus threat. After all,
>Norton default is to run once a month and the typical user has no clue how
>to change that. It is fortunate that the list server filters out attachments
>and does not contaminate the list, so why be so harsh on your rules?
>
>mike miller ....


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