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80-96-list Digest Mon, 01 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 001

In This Issue:
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Hi guys
Gear ratio question
Re: Gear ratio question
Re: Gear ratio question
'88 F-150...third gear shaky...
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: Hi guys
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: Gear ratio question
Re: Gear ratio question
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Sum question/swap stuff
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Power Brakes
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Re: Sum question/swap stuff
Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
SB42 Rollback (was CA 66-73 smog check alert!
Re: Slick Truck Bed
CLUB Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:28:29 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??

Wayne,
            The trans code on the door sticker is "E", that would signify an
E4OD. The pan is stamped "Metric" as the Haynes manual says, and I've had the
torque conv. changed by Ford at 58,000. I'm towing an 8400 lb. 5th wheel
travel trailer with it  and haven't had any trans. problems. I did add an
external cooler and keep the fluid and filter changed. it has 99,000 on it.
The engine is a remanned Jasper Class 1 tow motor. It has approx. 11,000 on
it. Pulls quite well.

Bill in KY



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From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
Subject: Hi guys
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:44:04 -0600

I have been on the performance list and the 61-79 list for a while, and just joined this one since I now have a 94 F150 as well. Just thought I would say hi, and I hope everyone has a great new year.

Garrett www.1966ford.com


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From: sburch fast.net
Subject: Gear ratio question
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:10:22 -0500

   I am wondering if there is an easy way to find out my gear ratio.  The truck is a '80 F150 4X4 351M-C6-NP208.

TIA
Steve



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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 16:10:59 -0600
From: Jim Cannon <jcannon SoftHome.net>
Subject: Re: Gear ratio question


You can look up the code on the door sticker or look for a tag on the diff,
but that will not tell you if someone swapped it out for another unit. Best
bet is to turn the input shaft with one wheel off the ground and count how
many turns it takes to revolve the wheel exactly one time. Then I think you
double that number. (I forget, it has been a long time.) I have a shop
manual for an '80 and can look up the axle code for you, if you want (from
the door sticker) then you can try to confirm it by turning the input shaft.

Jim

At 17:10 01-01-01 -0500, you wrote:
>     I am wondering if there is an easy way to find out my gear
> ratio.  The truck is a '80 F150 4X4 351M-C6-NP208.
>
>TIA
>Steve


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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 14:25:14 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Gear ratio question


Secure the vehicle on jackstands. Chock the front wheels.

Mark the drive shaft and the tire. Turn the tire, one full revolution. Count the
number of times the drive shaft turns. It'll give you approximate. (i.e. 3.5,
3.7, 4.1)

Bob


Jim Cannon wrote:

> You can look up the code on the door sticker or look for a tag on the diff,
> but that will not tell you if someone swapped it out for another unit. Best
> bet is to turn the input shaft with one wheel off the ground and count how
> many turns it takes to revolve the wheel exactly one time. Then I think you
> double that number. (I forget, it has been a long time.) I have a shop
> manual for an '80 and can look up the axle code for you, if you want (from
> the door sticker) then you can try to confirm it by turning the input shaft.
>
> Jim
>
> At 17:10 01-01-01 -0500, you wrote:
> >     I am wondering if there is an easy way to find out my gear
> > ratio.  The truck is a '80 F150 4X4 351M-C6-NP208.
> >
> >TIA
> >Steve

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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 15:54:35 -0800
From: Steve Deis <deis0 attglobal.net>
Subject: '88 F-150...third gear shaky...


I realize diagnosing problems over the web is not 100 per cent, but...


'88 F-150, 4.9L, Mazda 5-speed.  Third gear can't be gotten without a
bit of gear grinding.  The other 4 speeds are OK.  Also, getting into
reverse feels very sloppy.

Is there a system of detent balls/springs/forks that wears on this
tranny, or am I more likely looking at a bad 3rd gear synchro??

Obviously, if I can fix the problem without dropping/rebuilding the
tranny, I'd prefer to.

Thanks for any/all help.

Steve Deis
Northern PRK

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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:00:25 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??

In a message dated 1/1/2001 4:28:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Spruce1495 aol.com writes:


> The pan is stamped "Metric" as the Haynes manual says

Bill,
Mine is an AODE/4R70W and my pan is stamped "Metric", so that has no bearing,
the door code is the determining factor, and yes you are correct that you
have an E4OD.
I was just P.O'd that some of the members on this list generalize so much
about the trucks they drive, without taking the time to check. I believe the
comment was "It has the OD off button on the column, so it must be an E4OD."
Sorry to say it, but the AODE/4R70W has that OD off button too, and was
offered on ALL the 5.0 motors from 1994 to the end of that motor in 1996, in
the trucks, Crown Vics and the Mark VII/VIII.

Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
NLOC #484
2000 #4 Top Truck
1999 #2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html
ICQ#58060858



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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:01:26 EST
Subject: Re: Hi guys

Garrett,
Welcome to our little slice of the web. There are a lot of knowledgeable guys
in here, just as on the Performance List.


Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
NLOC #484
2000 #4 Top Truck
1999 #2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html
ICQ#58060858



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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 18:21:41 -0600
From: "EyEHATE-TTB'z" <dahorse jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


Intresting.... so yr saying just the 5.0 liters in the trucks ran the
AODE correct?
And what was the replacement for the AODE in the MarkVIII's after 96?

Norm



> Bill,
> Mine is an AODE/4R70W and my pan is stamped "Metric", so that has no bearing,
> the door code is the determining factor, and yes you are correct that you
> have an E4OD.
> I was just P.O'd that some of the members on this list generalize so much
> about the trucks they drive, without taking the time to check. I believe the
> comment was "It has the OD off button on the column, so it must be an E4OD."
> Sorry to say it, but the AODE/4R70W has that OD off button too, and was
> offered on ALL the 5.0 motors from 1994 to the end of that motor in 1996, in
> the trucks, Crown Vics and the Mark VII/VIII.
>
> Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
> Later,
> Wayne Foy

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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:23:47 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


that is when the mark v111 went to mod motor


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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 18:33:56 -0600
From: "EyEHATE-TTB'z" <dahorse jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


YEs I realize this;-)
My Father owns one shag nasty, paxton running, run with the stang boys
all day long, daily driver MarkVIII. I was just curious as to what
tranny it then ran...not that this is a discussion forum for Lincolns
LOL But It is a sweet shifting transmission....was wondering if it was a
valve body that could maybe be used in a late model truck.as in E-4OD or
something!

Norm


Lwskywalk aol.com wrote:
>
> that is when the mark v111 went to mod motor

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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:34:44 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


i do believe that they kept the A0DE in it at least that is what the mustangs
have in them

luke

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From: "Rex Bennett" <rexbennett eibiz.net>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:45:16 -0600


If I'm not mistaken the 96 F150 with a 4.6L that I drive at work also still
has the AODE/W in it.

Rex

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i do believe that they kept the A0DE in it at least that is what the
mustangs
have in them

luke



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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 16:49:15 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


Who is that masked man!!!   ;-)

I'll chip in as well. The info I have says the AOD-E first appeared in 4.6L modular
V-8 engines in 1992. Was that ever in a truck? I think this was a car engine. I
know it never made it to the Bronco.

Then the AOD-EW aka 4R70W (introduced in the Lincoln Mark VIII in 1993) was
introduced as a newer, stronger wider ratio. The AOD-E completely replaced the AOD
in 1994 as it was built in a new case that mated to the 5.0L and 3.8L engines.

So long story, but wouldn't that pretty well limit the AOD-E to only a couple of
years?

The E4OD made it's debut in 1989, and is still around today. This was the full
sized truck model.

So, I'll take whatever links or information folks would care to send. I'd be
interested in more info on the AOD-E 4R70W.

Reason:

I own an '86 Bronco, with the AOD.


Bob



EyEHATE-TTB'z wrote:

> Intresting.... so yr saying just the 5.0 liters in the trucks ran the
> AODE correct?
> And what was the replacement for the AODE in the MarkVIII's after 96?
>
> Norm
>
> > Bill,
> > Mine is an AODE/4R70W and my pan is stamped "Metric", so that has no bearing,
> > the door code is the determining factor, and yes you are correct that you
> > have an E4OD.
> > I was just P.O'd that some of the members on this list generalize so much
> > about the trucks they drive, without taking the time to check. I believe the
> > comment was "It has the OD off button on the column, so it must be an E4OD."
> > Sorry to say it, but the AODE/4R70W has that OD off button too, and was
> > offered on ALL the 5.0 motors from 1994 to the end of that motor in 1996, in
> > the trucks, Crown Vics and the Mark VII/VIII.
> >
> > Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
> > Later,
> > Wayne Foy

--
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://2bigbroncos.org
2Big Broncos Organization
227 Bellevue Way NE #717
Bellevue, WA 98004
206-224-3000



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From: sburch fast.net
Subject: Re: Gear ratio question
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:04:47 -0500



> You can look up the code on the door sticker or look for a tag on the
diff,
> but that will not tell you if someone swapped it out for another unit.
Best
> bet is to turn the input shaft with one wheel off the ground and count how
> many turns it takes to revolve the wheel exactly one time.

The code on the door is H2.  IF you could I would appreciate it if you could
look in your manual for it.  I don't think that the gearing was changed
though.  Most of the stuff on the truck wasn't touched before I bought it.
It was all stock.  But once it gets warmer I'll check it by spinning the
shaft too.  Thanks for the replies!

Steve
80 F150 4X4 351M/C6


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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 17:08:50 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Gear ratio question


3.50 gear ratio, H is also limited slip.

Bob


sburch fast.net wrote:

> > You can look up the code on the door sticker or look for a tag on the
> diff,
> > but that will not tell you if someone swapped it out for another unit.
> Best
> > bet is to turn the input shaft with one wheel off the ground and count how
> > many turns it takes to revolve the wheel exactly one time.
>
> The code on the door is H2.  IF you could I would appreciate it if you could
> look in your manual for it.  I don't think that the gearing was changed
> though.  Most of the stuff on the truck wasn't touched before I bought it.
> It was all stock.  But once it gets warmer I'll check it by spinning the
> shaft too.  Thanks for the replies!
>
> Steve
> 80 F150 4X4 351M/C6

--
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://2bigbroncos.org
2Big Broncos Organization
227 Bellevue Way NE #717
Bellevue, WA 98004
206-224-3000



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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:29:16 -0600
From: "EyEHATE-TTB'z" <dahorse jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


Heya Bob :-P

I didn't get the "masked man" comment at first. But then seen I was
still using my normal stand bye E-mail alias I use after spending time
driving my wifes rig.  LOL

Norm




Bob Kennedy wrote:
>
> Who is that masked man!!!   ;-)
>
> I'll chip in as well. The info I have says the AOD-E first appeared in 4.6L modular
> V-8 engines in 1992. Was that ever in a truck? I think this was a car engine. I
> know it never made it to the Bronco.
>
> Then the AOD-EW aka 4R70W (introduced in the Lincoln Mark VIII in 1993) was
> introduced as a newer, stronger wider ratio. The AOD-E completely replaced the AOD
> in 1994 as it was built in a new case that mated to the 5.0L and 3.8L engines.

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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:05:20 -0600
From: "EyEHATE-TTB'z" <dahorse jvlnet.com>
Subject: Sum question/swap stuff




I have the great "pleasure" of owning a 91 Bronco..and have a few plans
in the works and would like to see if anyone can help me with a few
questions I am entertaining!

First.. Has anyone stuffed a 460 into a previously 351W/302 equipped
Bronco/F-150 say 91 or so vintage? If so... looking for heads up on
possible issues.... will be using stock 87ish vintage frame standoffs
and motor mounts. And a C-6 ;-) So.I guess my issues are all small but
none the less I like to research stuff.... sum areas of concern.

1) Cruise control on 91 I understand requires interface with sum of the
electronics in ECM?
if this is true...What year "carbed" non ECM equipped rig should I be
considering aquiring Cruise unit from...and can I retain the 91 steering
colume and the like?

2) Anyone out here in cyber land have a Saginaw power steering pump with
a serpantine accessories sysyem? If So..I would like to ask a few small
easy ta answer questions.

3) Who builds a nice high quality "shorty" header for the 460 EFI rigs.I
know manufactures that build em.  what I wanna know is anyone have sum
and how do you like there fitment?

4) Starters. late model 460 gear reduction starters intrest me for this
swap...... any problems or are they as relaible as I am hoping?

5) Any other issues ya all see may be worth taking a look at now?

I have sum concerns about heater/air cond box clearance....but seems the
460 was factory with same firewall design in same year trucks.so
probably a unfounded fear..

Thanks in advance and  anything at all of intrest please send along!

Norm

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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:36:09 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??

In a message dated 1/1/2001 7:21:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dahorse jvlnet.com writes:


> So yr saying just the 5.0 liters in the trucks ran the
> AODE correct?
> And what was the replacement for the AODE in the MarkVIII's after 96?
>

No, I should have worded that differently. The AODE/4R70W was the tranny that
ran with the 5.0 motor until its demise in 1996. The modular motor, 4.6,
still use that tranny.

Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
NLOC #484
2000 #4 Top Truck
1999 #2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html
ICQ#58060858



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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:43:17 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??

Bob,
I run the AODE/4R70W in my 1994 F150 daily driver race truck. The parts made
by Art Carr (www.artcarr.com) to beef up this trans. is what I run. I have
also heard that the parts made by Baumann Engineering are pretty stout. The
main problems with this tranny are the clutch pack assembly/drum/mechanical
diode and the valve body. The stock torque convertors are pretty much crap
too. I can expound more on this subject if you would like to hear more. I
have beat my 4R70W to death several times. Mostly what kills them is heat,
ditch the stock tranny cooler and get your self a HUGE aftermarket cooler
with a thermostatically controlled fan if you want that tranny to last. This
latest configuration I am on has lasted through 4 races and daily driving
over 100 miles a day.


Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
NLOC #484
2000 #4 Top Truck
1999 #2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html
ICQ#58060858



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From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:17:17 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??

Thanks, Wayne.
                  BTW has anyone out there used any shift upgrade kits for
this tranny? I'd like to get a firmer shift thru the ranges without
completely rebuilding the thing. Any input appreciated. TIA

Bill in KY



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From: BanksRVA aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:20:36 EST
Subject: Power Brakes


Hey folks,
I have a 1982 F100 with manual brakes. Is a conversion to power brakes an
easy thing to do?
Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Joe

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From: "Terence Underwood" <terenceu1 prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:33:22 -0600


>I was just P.O'd that some of the members on this list generalize so much
>about the trucks they drive, without taking the time to check. I believe
the
>comment was "It has the OD off button on the column, so it must be an
E4OD."

It's OK to get P.O.'d.  I get P.O.'d when quoted incorrectly.

Terence Underwood
terenceu1 prodigy.net

'95 Bronco EB/351W/E4OD/BW1356/8.8 3.55 open/tow pack.
'94 Probe GT/K&N cone/Dunlop SP5000/Redline lubed



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Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 6:00 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: What year extended cab to pursue??


In a message dated 1/1/2001 4:28:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Spruce1495 aol.com writes:


> The pan is stamped "Metric" as the Haynes manual says

Bill,
Mine is an AODE/4R70W and my pan is stamped "Metric", so that has no
bearing,
the door code is the determining factor, and yes you are correct that you
have an E4OD.
I was just P.O'd that some of the members on this list generalize so much
about the trucks they drive, without taking the time to check. I believe the
comment was "It has the OD off button on the column, so it must be an E4OD."
Sorry to say it, but the AODE/4R70W has that OD off button too, and was
offered on ALL the 5.0 motors from 1994 to the end of that motor in 1996, in
the trucks, Crown Vics and the Mark VII/VIII.

Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
NLOC #484
2000 #4 Top Truck
1999 #2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html
ICQ#58060858




------------------------------

From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 06:54:03 EST
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??

Bill,
About the best kit out there is the TransGo kit. I don't have the part number
handy, but it has 3 different adjustment springs to set the shift firmness,
one for light duty, one for medium duty and one for heavy duty/towing. STAY
AWAY from the plug in electronic shift controllers like B&M peddle. They up
the resistance to shift sensors and mess with the speed sensor inputs. I have
heard of MANY AODE and E4OD owners having to go in and have shift modules and
other sensors replaced due to these.


Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
NLOC #484
2000 #4 Top Truck
1999 #2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html
ICQ#58060858



------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:09:04 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Sum question/swap stuff


EyEHATE-TTB'z wrote:
>

> 4) Starters. late model 460 gear reduction starters intrest me for this
> swap...... any problems or are they as relaible as I am hoping?
>

Mine seems lame, but who knows what type of abuse it has seen. Also,
connector to solenoid is a "spade" connector, not bolted up. Gets
corroded and then it won't start until you climb under and jiggle it
around a little :-).

                             OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:19:52 -0600
From: "EyEHATE-TTB'z" <dahorse jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: What year extended cab to pursue??



I agree. I have run the trango kits in a few late model rigs and they
work well....only real hitch is what shape the tranny is in when
installed. Also I have heard good results from the foks trying the
Baumanator eqipment as well.for those with E-4OD. I personally have a
Art Carr built E4OD in my wifes Bronco that is very well behaved...and
has proven fairly durable considering abuse it has withstood. But soon.
we will have a C-6 in that truck and all will be well with the world
again ;-)

Norm


FLR150 aol.com wrote:
>
> Bill,
> About the best kit out there is the TransGo kit. I don't have the part number
> handy, but it has 3 different adjustment springs to set the shift firmness,
> one for light duty, one for medium duty and one for heavy duty/towing. STAY
> AWAY from the plug in electronic shift controllers like B&M peddle. They up
> the resistance to shift sensors and mess with the speed sensor inputs. I have
> heard of MANY AODE and E4OD owners having to go in and have shift modules and
> other sensors replaced due to these.
>
> Better to be a racer for a moment, than a spectator for a lifetime
> Later,
> Wayne Foy

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 07:38:07 -0800
From: Chuck Sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: SB42 Rollback (was CA 66-73 smog check alert!


I have just received more information on this from Jim Thomas of
the National Motorists Association, and it is no hoax!
The CA Inspection and Maintenance Review Committee (IMRC)
has proposed and passed their draft recommendations to
"include the 1966-1973 vehicles in the Smog Check program with
an exemption for classic cars and restrict the test to actual
emissions.  Alternatively, eliminate the rolling exemption".  AND
"to make all 1966-1973 vehicles eligible for the Vehicle Retirement
Program".
Remember, as California goes, so goes the nation (at least as far
as smog check is concerned).
Please notify any interested parties of this and if you can make the
Jan 18th meeting in Sacremento at the Dept of Consumer Affairs
Conference Room 400 R st, Ground floor, 10am - 4pm


Chuck
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1964 Falcon Sprint


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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Slick Truck Bed
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:34:47 -0700


Most likely your bed liner is HDPE, so it's pretty inert.  You can throw
just about any solvent from the hardware store on it and be ok, as long as
you don't use heat.

I'd use a rag first, then paint thinner, followed by acetone.  If that
doesn't get it, it's probably not petroleum based.

My favorite removal instructions come from silicone based high vacuum grease
--
Wipe off as much as possible, follow with warm concentrated KOH, then clean
in a chromic acid solution. :-)

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chuck & kathy sanborn [mailto:slammer deltanet.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:18 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Slick Truck Bed
>
>
>
> At 02:53 PM 12/31/00 -0600, you wrote:
> >I have spilled something in the bed of my truck and can not
> get it cleaned
> >up.  I think it is chain saw oil or 2-cycle engine oil or
> motor oil..or who
> >knows what.  I also have a hard, plastic bed liner that only
> adds to the
> >"slickness".
>
> I use lacquer thinner to clean up all my oil spills, followed
> by a sweep up
> coating of kitty litter type stuff.  Not sure how it would
> react to your
> plastic
> liner but it does not affect my plastic/rubber oil drain pan.
> Chuck
>
>

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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:23:09 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: CLUB Ford Truck Enthusiasts


Ford Truck Enthusiasts is pleased to announce an all new club for
its members:   Club FTE

Club FTE was created in order to help the enthusiast go beyond the
typical Internet automotive community experience.

Its goals:
 1. Provide its members with added benefits (listed later in this
    email).
 2. Facilitate both on-line and off-line participation on a local,
    national and international level.
 3. Support the interests of our members in a friendly atmosphere.
 4. Preserve the Ford truck, van and SUV hobby and tradition.
 5. Provide club sponsored activities.
 6. Provide public awareness.
 7. Communicate issues of concern to its members.

Its benefits:
 1.  FTE T-Shirt (optional)
 2.  FTE Bumper sticker.
 3.  Group Purchase Discounts (first group purchase will be
     announced later this week)
 4.  Your own web site featuring:
       20 megabytes of web space, no banner ads, online web page
       editor, no knowledge of HTML is required to edit pages,
       template based page designer for new users, user insertable
       page counter and guestbook, users can upload their own files
       via their web browser, create page templates for users to
       select from, upload and edit HTML files online, comprehensive
       user guide, tutorial and context sensitive help. Advanced
       features include support for tables, META tags and style
       sheets.
 5.  Access to members only section of the message boards.
 6.  Your web site listed in a membership site guide.
 7.  Submission of your web site to major search engines.
 8.  Email account. This is a POP email account, you can use the
     email software of your choice and will not have to use web
     based email. You have a choice of the following domain names:
        clubfte.com               ford-trucks.net
        escapeowners.com          fordtrucker.com
        excursionowners.com       fordtruckers.com
        explorerowners.com        fordtruckforum.com
        f100owners.com            rangerowners.com
        f150owners.com            supercrewowners.com
        ford-truckers.com         superdutyowners.com ....


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