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80-96-list Digest Wed, 13 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 259

In This Issue:
Check Engine Light
Re: Check Engine Light
Transmission fluid question
ADMIN: Ad Announcement
Re: keeping warm
302 "sweet spot"
Re: 302 "sweet spot"

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From: "Navarra, Anthony" <anthony.navarra pepsi.com>
Subject: Check Engine Light
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:05:02 -0500


Since the weather turned cold in the Hudson Valley NY the check engine light
on my 1989 F250 5.8L 5sp man w/od goes on. It stays on when I'm coasting in
gear( any gear) and goes out when I lightly step on the gas pedal. This
occurs if the engine is cold or warmed up. The truck has 215,000 miles on it
and runs great.  Also,  I don't know how to check the computer codes but
would like to find out how. What kind of diagnostic equipment do I need ?

TIA
Anthony Navarra
914.767.7952
anthony.navarra pepsi.com


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From: rexbennett eibiz.net
Subject: Re: Check Engine Light
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:54:43 -0600


Check out these pages and let us know what codes you come up with or if you
have any questions on checking the codes.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dalidesign.com/hbook/eectest.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.shotimes.com/SHO3eeccodes.html

Rex

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Since the weather turned cold in the Hudson Valley NY the check engine light
on my 1989 F250 5.8L 5sp man w/od goes on. It stays on when I'm coasting in
gear( any gear) and goes out when I lightly step on the gas pedal. This
occurs if the engine is cold or warmed up. The truck has 215,000 miles on it
and runs great.  Also,  I don't know how to check the computer codes but
would like to find out how. What kind of diagnostic equipment do I need ?

TIA
Anthony Navarra
914.767.7952
anthony.navarra pepsi.com




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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Transmission fluid question
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:10:45 -0700


Greetings,

Can anyone tell me whether the _manual_ transmission on my 1980 F-250 needs
80-90W oil in it or does it require ATF?  The Haynes manual showed ATF,
which seems odd, considering that the diffs require 80-90W oil and both have
gears and no clutches in them.  I'd like to find out now rather than after I
drain it so I can know if I should get the gallon size of ATF to cover both
the tranny as well as the transfer case, or just another quart of ATF to
cover the transfer case.

Thanks in advance,
Chip

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:43:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Ad Announcement


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Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts





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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:17:50 -0800
Subject: Re: Cold Engine Running
From: Joan and Walt Posluszny <redstone home.com>


David,

130 degrees is too cold for an engine operating temperature.  If that engine
stays at this temp for a long time you will indeed put more wear on your
engine and effect performance and emissions.  After all, it was designed to
run at 195 degrees and the internal clearances are set for that.

I have an 85 F150 with a 351 2V , manual 4 speed, and live in an area where
it goes over 110 during the summer and I run the stock 195 thermostat.  I
have the super duty cooling package and the hottest the temp gauge ever gets
is  straight up, middle of the gauge in traffic with the A/C on an 110 plus
degrees.  I don't know why you're running a 180 unless your truck is highly
modified.

As far as the transmission, change the fluid to synthetic and you will be
surprised at the change in the transmission, besides, you will probably
never have to change it again. Expensive, but you only do it once and then
never again.  Especially if you have an aftermarket cooler.  The carbon
fiber and Kevlar plates should not affect the trans the way you describe it.

Walt 2 cents.
>
> From: DTrowbridge webtv.net (David Trowbridge)
> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:54:36 -0600 (CST)
> Subject: keeping warm
>
>
> well, on my way home from work tonight my temp gauge barely got above
> the C mark, and my aftermarket temp gauge never read over 130 degrees F.
> is this ok if its real cold outside?  i'm not used to having temps in
> the teens outside.  i've got a 180 degree stat, and it normally runs
> between 160-180 on 50 degree days.  so is this normal?
>
> and another thing.  now that it is real cold, i'm noticeing that my
> tranny does not shift into 3rd gear unil i've drivn about 2 miles down
> the road.  it has always done this since i got it rebuilt, but it seems
> to be worse when it is cold outside.  now i d remember seeing carbon
> fiber and kevlar parts were used in the rebuild.  could this be the
> reason it does this?  or is this normal in colder climates?  thanx
>
> David
> 85 F-150  300 I6
> C-4 3 speed auto 2.47 FDR


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From: b-khanson juno.com
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:47:18 -0600
Subject: Re: keeping warm



> From: DTrowbridge webtv.net (David Trowbridge)

> well, on my way home from work tonight my temp gauge barely got above
> the C mark, and my aftermarket temp gauge never read over 130 degrees
F.
> is this ok if its real cold outside?  i'm not used to having temps in
> the teens outside.  i've got a 180 degree stat, and it normally runs
> between 160-180 on 50 degree days.  so is this normal?

> David
> 85 F-150  300 I6

If you're only reading 130, the t'stat is remaining at least partially
open.  Operating temperature should hit the t'stat's rating.  By the
way, I think you'll find that a 195 degree t'stat is specified for
your truck and I would strongly suggest that you switch to 195
(for fuel economy/emissions/engine durability...to say nothing
of winter comfort).

Bruce Hanson
Apple Valley, MN
(where our high temp y'day was 3 below zero)

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From: "Harold Bucks" <harold.bucks 1usa.com>
Subject: 302 "sweet spot"
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:55:25 -0500


I read an article that refered to the "sweet spot" in the torque curve that
occurs at a particular rpm .  I'm not sure exactly what that means or how
you determine at what rpm that occurs.  Can anyone shed some light on this
for me

Harold

('95 Bronco with 302)


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From: "droptopgt" <droptopgt email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 302 "sweet spot"
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:12:14 -0600


Another way to describe the "sweet spot" is like the engine getting its
groove on.  It is a tiny span with in the RPM spectrum were the engine is in
" perfect " harmony. ie; its pulling great while getting super fuel mileage
(for what it is doing), it's smooth.  The so called sweet spot is IMHO a lot
more common in diesel trucks and 18 wheelers with larger diesel engines that
spend a lot of time cruising the interstate. Having driven over the road for
15 years, the sweet spot is were we really like to run our motors.  How to
find it on your motor? Well only you or who ever drives your truck can tell
you that because to my knowledge there is no definitive plot to tell you
were it is.  Hope that helps you.

Craig-

94 F-150
98 FLD 132
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From: "Harold Bucks" <harold.bucks 1usa.com>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] 302 "sweet spot"


>
> I read an article that refered to the "sweet spot" in the torque curve
that
> occurs at a particular rpm .  I'm not sure exactly what that means or how
> you determine at what rpm that occurs.  Can anyone shed some light on this
> for me
>
> Harold
>
> ('95 Bronco with 302)
>
>



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