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80-96-list Digest Fri, 08 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 255

In This Issue:
Re: LPG/Propane
Re: Pinging
Re: LPG/Propane
Another stupid dual tank question
Re: Another stupid dual tank question

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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:25:54 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon <chrism cnx.net>
Subject: Re: LPG/Propane


As the list knows, I'm the thrid member of the propane triangle. I've got a
propaned '84 351W as single fuel, the only way. With single fuel there is
way less stuff to break, no gas tanks to rust or rip on rocks... Just a
simpler system. Over here (in Canada) propane is about $.50/L CAN or 66% of
the price of ULP and available almost everywhere ULP is. Keep us up to date,
we won't lead you too far astray. Oh yeah, when you are looking at
converions, don't forget about Technocarb. They make a fine system.

Chris

> Nephew Phred is running a dual fuelled '95 302 and I'm sure he will be only
>too happy to tell you about it.
>I am using a 351 Clevo, and will still argue against the dual fuel option,
>and defend a mono Propane/LPG installation to the hilt. The only reservation
>is the availability of Propane/LPG refills. I obviously have no idea of the
>'propane scene' in the UK. Is the LPG readily available? At what cost in
>relationship to ULP fuel ? Down here it is about 60% of ULP fuel. The
>majority of 'Effies' would be on an LPG diet. Is it worth the trouble in
>Oz ? Yes!! I have to admit, when you first posted to this forum and said
>what you were driving and where you were from (UK) my immediate reaction was
>'How much is this going to cost to re-fuel in the real world ?' ;-))


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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:34:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Osborn <josepho rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pinging


>  From: "D. L. Young" <dlyoung san.rr.com>

>  My truck is an 88 F150 ext cab with the 5.0 engine
>  and AOD tranny.

>  I am having a bit of a pinging problem as well as a
>  strange shake when under load.

I have a 89 Bronco with the same powertrain and the
same problem, until I let a Ford mechanic look at it.
He showed me all the gunk that had built up in the
intake plenum, robbing the engine of airflow.  After a
thorough cleaning with a chemical he uses in the
dealership shop, the pinging and shuddering went away.
Might be worth a look into your intake to see if it's
all gunked up.

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From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Re: LPG/Propane
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:51:41 -0700

Conrad wrote:

Has anyone got any experience of a 1995 vintage 351W on dual fuel?

I am thinking about a conversion as UK fuel prics continue to get
higher.

Phred replies:

Well as Uncle Les mentioned I do run a '95 F-150 302, 5-speed on either
propane or gasoline. This dual fuel set-up is pretty convient since the
short bed set up only allows for the rear tank.

I work for a company that is very involved in designing the electronics for
LPG and CNG vehicles. Your truck is a piece of cake to convert, but then
again....

I don't know of anyone doing conversions in U.K. but there is a very
compentent gentleman by the name of Mark Wilmet doing well in COLFONTAINE
BELGIUM. I have dealt with a few outfits doing conversions in Belgium and
France. This individual's work has been proven to be above the rest when it
comes to quality.

If this is something serious you are considering, I will gladly forward you
off the list this person's business phone number. I am sure he will be able
to at least supply you with parts at a reasonable price.

Good luck

Phred
1995 F-150 4X4 dual fueled 5.0L, 5-speed, 201K miles and going strong.




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Subject: Re: LPG/Propane
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 04:26:38 -0000
From: "Conrad" <conrad conrad.uk.net>


Hi les,

> I am using a 351 Clevo, and will still argue against the dual
> fuel option,
> and defend a mono Propane/LPG installation to the hilt. The

we dont have that much LPG available here so I couldnt do that, but when
we can get it its around half the price of unleaded.

> Oz ? Yes!! I have to admit, when you first posted to this
> forum and said
> what you were driving and where you were from (UK) my
> immediate reaction was
> 'How much is this going to cost to re-fuel in the real world ?' ;-))

well, yes, a bit of a concern. I've not beena ble to get an accurate
price for the conversion, but its looks like around 1500 GBP. that will
pay for itself in around 12000 miles, which will only take 1-2 years. It
comes down to if you do get close to MPG of unleaded without much power
loss. If would not take that much of a loss for it not to really be
worth the bother.

> Rather than try and pre-empt the questions you may have, and I'd be
> suprised if you didn't have many, how about you get a
> written(?) quote for the conversion paying particular notice

thanks, I'll do that. One problem is that there is no-one anywhere near
me that has even heard of an econoline. I dont think I can legally fit
the stuff myself, but I'm still trying to confirm that. Is it a doable
DIY job? Obviously fitting the bits is not hard, but what about setting
it all up? What sort of prices to you pay for kits over there?

Conrad

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From: "Travis Moore" <webdoc arkansas.net>
Subject: Another stupid dual tank question
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:23:52 -0600

Guys,

The old 94 is exhibiting the infamous dual tank problem.  The rear tank
works just fine.  The front tank dumps into the rear when in use.  I know
one of the check or "shuttle valves" as Ford calls them is bad, but which
one?  And do I have to buy the whole in tank unit from Ford, or is it
available aftermarket?

TIA,

Travis Moore
1994 F-150 Extended Cab
4.9L


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From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:14:52 EST
Subject: Re: Another stupid dual tank question

I just had mine repaired. It's the rear pump check valve. Have to replace
pump. There is an upgrade kit for the job. About $350.00 for pump and labor.

Bill in KY



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