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80-96-list Digest Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 249

In This Issue:
89 460 F350 Wake Up
Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Tires again....
Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Re: Tires again....
Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Slowing Idle for a Parade
Re: Slowing Idle for a Parade
Re: aluminum welding
Re: Replacing oil pan gasket on 91 F150
Re: Replacing oil pan gasket on 91 F150
Re: Slowing Idle for a Parade

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From: "JimR" <jim_riley email.msn.com>
Subject: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:08:49 -0800

I have an 89 F350 W/ FI 460 5 speed. I love this 4 Door hauler and would
like to wake it up. I am thinking maybe an upgrade computer chip and maybe a
cam? I am looking for suggestions?





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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:48:51 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up




JimR wrote:
>
> I have an 89 F350 W/ FI 460 5 speed. I love this 4 Door hauler and would
> like to wake it up. I am thinking maybe an upgrade computer chip and maybe a
> cam? I am looking for suggestions?


Me to on the cam. Wondering what will work with speed density. I have a
set of chrome Doug Thorely headers and Y-pipe, but have not installed
them yet. So far, just looking at them, I think their chroming procedure
bites. Big rust stains already on them where the tubes meet the flanges.

                                  OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:09:31 -0800


Goto www.performanceunlimited.com they did a project for four wheeler
magazine called 'project MPG'.  Increased power by quite a bit and increased
mileage alot on a four door dually F350 with a FI 460.  They didn't do
anything to special to the motor, just bolt on stuff.  They have a few good
charts which will at least show you what helped and what didn't do crap.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: JimR [mailto:jim_riley email.msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:09 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] 89 460 F350 Wake Up


I have an 89 F350 W/ FI 460 5 speed. I love this 4 Door hauler and would
like to wake it up. I am thinking maybe an upgrade computer chip and maybe a
cam? I am looking for suggestions?





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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:04:25 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up


"Nichols, Josh" wrote:
>
> Goto www.performanceunlimited.com they did a project for four wheeler
> magazine called 'project MPG'.  Increased power by quite a bit and increased
> mileage alot on a four door dually F350 with a FI 460.  They didn't do
> anything to special to the motor, just bolt on stuff.  They have a few good
> charts which will at least show you what helped and what didn't do crap.
>
> Josh
>

They had some pretty sad numbers to begin with. I dropped some metal
junk off at the scrap yard the other day and my 250 and trailer came in
at 9840. Assuming trailer is no more than 3000 lbs, my 250 is close to
their weight. I back this weight guess up with a reading I did ona
certified truck scale when towing my bronc to Co. It read 3500 lb front
axle, 4760 rear axle and 16480 combined. Anyway, that would be 8260 for
entire truck, asuming 800 lbs tongue weight and 500 lbs of gear  brings
me back to about 7000 lbs for the truck itself.

 I G-tech'd (1/4 mile) my 250 a while ago and it ran a 16.9 (I've had
G-tech at the track and it comes within .1 on ET every time). Not too
far off their orignal 0-60 time. I know they added a little HP in 95 for
the 460, but sure sounds like they had a dog to begin with (easier to
improve I guess :-)). Worst city milage I have gotten is 8, with 9.5-10
being normal. I get 12.5 consistantly highway. Only mod I have is a K &
N. DT claims 30 HP for their header/Y-pipe setup. I'm hoping to get at
least half that and maybe 1/2 MPG highway out of it. With all they did
to it, they are about where I am stock. Wonder what would have happened
if they just tuned it up, fixed the fuel pressure and added the
overdrive??

                               OX


> -----Original Message-----
> From: JimR [mailto:jim_riley email.msn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:09 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] 89 460 F350 Wake Up
>
> I have an 89 F350 W/ FI 460 5 speed. I love this 4 Door hauler and would
> like to wake it up. I am thinking maybe an upgrade computer chip and maybe a
> cam? I am looking for suggestions?

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:10:53 -0800 (PST)
From: "Wake Junky....Chris Foye" <cfoye yahoo.com>
Subject: Tires again....


I know this has been discussed til we're blue in the face, pun intended.
I have a 97 F350 CC PSD and I'm upgrading to some Weld 16X8 and want to know what
size tire I can stuff in the wheel wells.  I'm pretty sure a 285/75/16 will fit but,
would like to know if a 295/75/16 would.  I have the stock suspension setup and
don't plan on lifting it.
Also, has anybody done the front leveling system from Tuff Country?  I'd like to get
the front end up and their "add a leaf" front leveling seems like a pretty good
system.

Thanks,

Chris
97 F350 CC PSD

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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:18 -0800


I agree, If they would have started with a newer well running motor those
kind of improvements would have been much harder to acheive.  Your 95 is
speed density right?  I have heard that the CA 460's were MAF in 95--I hope
this is true.  I recently located a 95 F350 the owner is parting out.  He
didn't know what I was talking about when I asked him is if was MAF or SD,
so hopefully I'll get a chance to make a trip up there and check it out.  If
it is just a myth that CA 460's were MAF then I think I'll just settle for a
SD system, as I am just itchen' to get fuel injection in my trail rig.  Are
you planin' any mods to your 460?  Maybe I'll just have to test out how much
the stock SD system can handle..

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: James Oxley [mailto:luxjo thecore.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:04 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up



"Nichols, Josh" wrote:
>
> Goto www.performanceunlimited.com they did a project for four wheeler
> magazine called 'project MPG'.  Increased power by quite a bit and
increased
> mileage alot on a four door dually F350 with a FI 460.  They didn't do
> anything to special to the motor, just bolt on stuff.  They have a few
good
> charts which will at least show you what helped and what didn't do crap.
>
> Josh
>

They had some pretty sad numbers to begin with. I dropped some metal
junk off at the scrap yard the other day and my 250 and trailer came in
at 9840. Assuming trailer is no more than 3000 lbs, my 250 is close to
their weight. I back this weight guess up with a reading I did ona
certified truck scale when towing my bronc to Co. It read 3500 lb front
axle, 4760 rear axle and 16480 combined. Anyway, that would be 8260 for
entire truck, asuming 800 lbs tongue weight and 500 lbs of gear  brings
me back to about 7000 lbs for the truck itself.

 I G-tech'd (1/4 mile) my 250 a while ago and it ran a 16.9 (I've had
G-tech at the track and it comes within .1 on ET every time). Not too
far off their orignal 0-60 time. I know they added a little HP in 95 for
the 460, but sure sounds like they had a dog to begin with (easier to
improve I guess :-)). Worst city milage I have gotten is 8, with 9.5-10
being normal. I get 12.5 consistantly highway. Only mod I have is a K &
N. DT claims 30 HP for their header/Y-pipe setup. I'm hoping to get at
least half that and maybe 1/2 MPG highway out of it. With all they did
to it, they are about where I am stock. Wonder what would have happened
if they just tuned it up, fixed the fuel pressure and added the
overdrive??

                               OX


> -----Original Message-----
> From: JimR [mailto:jim_riley email.msn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:09 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] 89 460 F350 Wake Up
>
> I have an 89 F350 W/ FI 460 5 speed. I love this 4 Door hauler and would
> like to wake it up. I am thinking maybe an upgrade computer chip and maybe
a
> cam? I am looking for suggestions?

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

------------------------------

From: Craig.Wallace emotors.com
Subject: Re: Tires again....
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:03:43 -0600


Chris,

I just put new leveling coils on the front of my '94 F-150 2WD and have to
admit, they help a lot.  They raised the front end about 1 1/2" to 2" and my
truck looks more like the standard 4X4.  The new 265/75/R15s fit extremely
well.  I have a good 3" clearance from the top of the tire to the wheel well
(and tires are 30.65" tall).  However, width may be more of a factor here
than height after leveling the front end.  The tires I now have are about
10.4" wide and come pretty close to rubbing (but don't).  I have about 1" of
clearance when the wheels are turned completely left or right.  With 285s,
your looking at 11.22" wide and 295s are 11.61" wide.  But, with your F350,
this may not even be a concern (just noticed you have a 350, and not a 150).
Therefore, everything I just mentioned is probably more like FYI (sorry,
likely not much help).

Craig Wallace
'94 F150 300 I-6
Brighton, Il



> Also, has anybody done the front leveling system from Tuff Country?  I'd
> like to get
> the front end up and their "add a leaf" front leveling seems like a pretty
> good
> system.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
> 97 F350 CC PSD
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:36:01 -0500
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up


"Nichols, Josh" wrote:
>
> I agree, If they would have started with a newer well running motor those
> kind of improvements would have been much harder to acheive.  Your 95 is
> speed density right?  I have heard that the CA 460's were MAF in 95--I hope
> this is true.

Makes sense, sort of, since 5.8's went MAF EEC-IV (good combo) in ca.
Only "fly in the stuff" I could see is that usually the 460 trucks had
over 8550 GVWR and hence were slower to get the "emission upgrades" than
under 8550 GVWR. Therefore, the 460 might not have gotten maf till 96,
when it would prob be EEC V-OBDII (like 96, 5.8, YUCK!!!) or maybe never
since it was only around till 97.

I recently located a 95 F350 the owner is parting out.  He
> didn't know what I was talking about when I asked him is if was MAF or SD,

I don't think it is. I'll check it, but the vac and elec troubleshooting
ford manual shows all the config's for each engine. My 95 manual shows
one config for fed and one config for ca. on 5.8 engine. Only one config
at all for 460, if I rememeber right.

> so hopefully I'll get a chance to make a trip up there and check it out.  If
> it is just a myth that CA 460's were MAF then I think I'll just settle for a
> SD system, as I am just itchen' to get fuel injection in my trail rig.  Are
> you planin' any mods to your 460?

Just headers for now, since I got them real cheap :-) (got cert for
free headers from BB fest 2000) and I have a cracked manifold. Maybe a
cam and exh eventually, if I can find a nice quiet exh. Don't need any
droning from exh for 1000 mile tow trips to go wheelin.

>Maybe I'll just have to test out how much
> the stock SD system can handle..

Supposedly, they respond real good to headers, exh and cams, for both
power and milage. Something has to be choking these things off. I don't
see how you could get any less than 245 HP with a 460 ;-). Should be
fairly easy to free up and least 60 HP I would think. 300 HP ain't much
for that many cubes.


                              OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

------------------------------

From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 89 460 F350 Wake Up
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:47:45 -0800


I would definitley agree, 245 HP isn't much for a 460.  My 460 doesn't
really have anything to special, just a mild cam, Edelbrock performer
intake, some 69 heads to boost the anemic stock 76' compression ratio, and a
free flowing exhaust. I have no idea how much HP/Torque it puts out but it's
definetly no pig.  Even with the 38.5's, a ton of spare parts and a slow
shifting NP435 it will still leave most cars in the dust.  Including a new
V8 Tundra that thought it could take me at a stoplight the other day.

Josh

> Supposedly, they respond real good to headers, exh and cams, for both
>power and milage. Something has to be choking these things off. I don't
>see how you could get any less than 245 HP with a 460 ;-). Should be
>fairly easy to free up and least 60 HP I would think. 300 HP ain't much
>for that many cubes.


                              OX

--
78 Bronco Custom, 400, T-18, 14 bolt/detroit/4.56, D60/detroit/4.56, 44
boggers, 9" lift (27 54.5678498576476596875869 (street), 17 56 (4"
mud), never 0 (17" mud)).
79 Bronco XLT, 351M, C6, D60/detroit/4.10, D448lug/Lokrite/4.10, 38.5
SX's, 4"lift (It's so fast, I tore the axles right out of it).
79 Bronc XLT, 351M, C6, 35 BFG AT's, 2" lift (19.3 40, pulling boat,
19.3 40, not puling boat)
86 Capri, turbo 5.0 (13.4 107)
90 Talon AWD turbo (12.7 104)
95 F250-460,4WD (16.9 82)

------------------------------

From: Ledski aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:19:15 EST
Subject: Slowing Idle for a Parade

Hi all,
I need to slow down my idling speed on my 94 F350 (460, 4:10, elec. 4spd
auto) for using in a parade my daughter is walking in. I've driven it one
other time in a parade and don't like shifting out of gear or riding the
brake (parking or otherwise). Have any suggestions on the easiest way? After
I bought a car with fuel injection I stopped messing with them much.

Tim Ledford
94 EB Explorer
94 F350 SC dually (20,000 miles)

ledski aol.com



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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:08:29 EST
Subject: Re: Slowing Idle for a Parade


look on your throttle body and there should be a screw at that it where it is
on the 351 turn it counter clockwise

luke

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From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:48:23 EST
Subject: Re: aluminum welding

When I responded to this letter, I assumed that it was understood that I had
used oxy-acetylene torches for the job. Sorry I didn't make myself clear.

It does work pretty good with practice.

Bill in KY



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From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:51:44 EST
Subject: Re: Replacing oil pan gasket on 91 F150

It sounds to me like the rear crank seal. It is a job, but doable with right
tools.

Bill in KY



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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:53:37 EST
Subject: Re: Replacing oil pan gasket on 91 F150


yeah and a engine hoist would make it alot easier i did mine with a jack not
fun

luke

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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Slowing Idle for a Parade
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:37:38 -0700


If it's a 4x4, can you put it in 4 low and not lock the hubs?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ledski aol.com [mailto:Ledski aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 5:19 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Slowing Idle for a Parade
>
>
> Hi all,
> I need to slow down my idling speed on my 94 F350 (460, 4:10,
> elec. 4spd
> auto) for using in a parade my daughter is walking in. I've
> driven it one
> other time in a parade and don't like shifting out of gear or
> riding the
> brake (parking or otherwise). Have any suggestions on the
> easiest way? After ....


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