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80-96-list Digest Thu, 02 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 232

In This Issue:
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Snow and 4wd
Re: SEMA Show / Meet the web master
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Re: Snow and 4wd
Re: ADMIN: SEMA Show / Meet the web master
tire size

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:06:03 -0700
From: Robert Humble <lenrob qmail.com>
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck

I lived in Colorado so long I hate to even think about it.  Pueblo,
Colorado Springs and Denver.  I never had a 4wd vehicle.  I never really
had a problem with winter driving except during the major blizzards.  Once
about every 6 or 7 years.  Put on studded snow tires for the winter, if
they're still legal.  Only once did I use chains.  It's a good idea,
though, to have a set, or at least a set of the emergency truncated chains.

The best snow vehicle I ever had was a VW Bug.  The worst, a pickup.  Put
some bags of sand in the back of your truck bed, for the weight and if you
get stuck you can use the sand for traction.

That stuff above only applies, as someone else said, along the Front Range
and out east.  If you're going to live in the real high country I'd use it
as an excuse to get me a 4wd.

Robert


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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:21:05 -0700

The studded tires are still legal to my knowledge -- you can at least still
get them here.  I agree.  I took a VW beetle from Boulder to Lakewood, about
45 mi. away, in the blizzard of '82 and did great.  I had chains on the rear
and never got stuck.  There were bunches of 4wd vehicles off the side of the
road but the beetle was as good as you could ask.  Of course, a 4x4 with 4
chained wheels gives you the ultimate in snow handling.

The real trick with 4wd is to recognize that your stopping and cornering
traction is no better than any other vehicle of the same size and weight.
With 4wd, you can accelerate at least twice as fast though, giving you a
false sense of road quality.  I got lucky and learned this at 4 am by
hitting a curb rather than plunging into the ditch right behind it.  I was
at a stop light turning left and couldn't make the turn.  With the 4wd, I
got going too fast to make the turn.  That was sobering*, especially
considering how poor I was at the time and that it wasn't my vehicle I was
driving.


Chip

*sobering as in the expression, not being drunk.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Humble [mailto:lenrob qmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:06 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
>
>
> I lived in Colorado so long I hate to even think about it.  Pueblo,
> Colorado Springs and Denver.  I never had a 4wd vehicle.  I
> never really
> had a problem with winter driving except during the major
> blizzards.  Once
> about every 6 or 7 years.  Put on studded snow tires for the
> winter, if
> they're still legal.  Only once did I use chains.  It's a good idea,
> though, to have a set, or at least a set of the emergency
> truncated chains.
>
> The best snow vehicle I ever had was a VW Bug.  The worst, a
> pickup.  Put
> some bags of sand in the back of your truck bed, for the
> weight and if you
> get stuck you can use the sand for traction.
>
> That stuff above only applies, as someone else said, along
> the Front Range
> and out east.  If you're going to live in the real high
> country I'd use it
> as an excuse to get me a 4wd.
>
> Robert
>
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From: "Tim Clevenger" <tclevenger hotmail.com>
Subject: Snow and 4wd
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:06:15 PST

Yeah, 4-wheel-drive gets you through snow, but when it comes to braking and
turning on ice, you have four rubbers on the road, no matter how you go
about it.

Last winter I was driving an '86 Ranger 2wd with the 4-cylinder and 5-speed.
 Driving empty, there wasn't enough weight to push the rear onto the road.
The open diff basically meant that the wheel in deepest dug itself a hole
and spun.  When I loaded the rear with snow, I had some traction, but the
engine didn't have enough torque to maintain speed to get up the hill to the
house.  (Mmmm..  burning clutch.)  I ended up going through three sets of
chains that winter.

This year, I have the F-250 with the 460 and T-19, and I think the granny
low will definitely help out.  Also, the larger tires mean I can get
Icebreakers or similar reinforced chains (the 14" wheels on the Ranger meant
I could only find "sedan chains.")  If that doesn't do the trick, then I'll
be talking to the local shop about getting a locker for the rear.

My understanding is that a lot of 4wd vehicles are sold with open diffs
front and rear.  This means you'll get the benefit of "push and pull", but
not really true "4-wheel drive" performance.  Is this the case in current
F-series models?

Also, if I can find a donor drivetrain, say with manual hubs, is it a fairly
simple swap to move 4wd hardware to my current truck, or are the 4wd trucks
a completely different suspension?  What years can I look at to donate to an
'85 F-250?

Thanks.

Tim Clevenger


>From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'80-96-list ford-trucks.com'" <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:21:05 -0700
>
>The studded tires are still legal to my knowledge -- you can at least still
>get them here.  I agree.  I took a VW beetle from Boulder to Lakewood,
>about
>45 mi. away, in the blizzard of '82 and did great.  I had chains on the
>rear
>and never got stuck.  There were bunches of 4wd vehicles off the side of
>the
>road but the beetle was as good as you could ask.  Of course, a 4x4 with 4
>chained wheels gives you the ultimate in snow handling.
>
>The real trick with 4wd is to recognize that your stopping and cornering
>traction is no better than any other vehicle of the same size and weight.
>With 4wd, you can accelerate at least twice as fast though, giving you a
>false sense of road quality.  I got lucky and learned this at 4 am by
>hitting a curb rather than plunging into the ditch right behind it.  I was
>at a stop light turning left and couldn't make the turn.  With the 4wd, I
>got going too fast to make the turn.  That was sobering*, especially
>considering how poor I was at the time and that it wasn't my vehicle I was
>driving.
>
>
>Chip
>
>*sobering as in the expression, not being drunk.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Humble [mailto:lenrob qmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:06 PM
> > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
> >
> >
> > I lived in Colorado so long I hate to even think about it.  Pueblo,
> > Colorado Springs and Denver.  I never had a 4wd vehicle.  I
> > never really
> > had a problem with winter driving except during the major
> > blizzards.  Once
> > about every 6 or 7 years.  Put on studded snow tires for the
> > winter, if
> > they're still legal.  Only once did I use chains.  It's a good idea,
> > though, to have a set, or at least a set of the emergency
> > truncated chains.
> >
> > The best snow vehicle I ever had was a VW Bug.  The worst, a
> > pickup.  Put
> > some bags of sand in the back of your truck bed, for the
> > weight and if you
> > get stuck you can use the sand for traction.
> >
> > That stuff above only applies, as someone else said, along
> > the Front Range
> > and out east.  If you're going to live in the real high
> > country I'd use it
> > as an excuse to get me a 4wd.
> >
> > Robert
> >
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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:42:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: SEMA Show / Meet the web master

Thanks Fred, I'll make sure I bug them! Heh Heh!

Ken

>
> Phred has one small request for the Admin:
>
>  Go bug my co-workers who got to attend the SEMA show, Russell, Mike, and
> Ed, they will be the loud ones manning the MSD booth. Us real working folks
> have to stay behind, gotta make the donuts.
>  Tell them YOU want a T-shirt and I will cover it. How about a hat? That's
> the least I could do for what you have done for all of us. I can't meet you
> this time but maybe they'll have a camera around. Have fun.
>
>  Wish I was in Vegas,
>
>  Phred
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From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:29:43 EST
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)

I can only  echo the previous responses.  If you're moving to a major city
along the Front Range (basically from Pueblo to Fort Collins), or on the
Western Slope (like Grand Junction) a 4WD is un-necessary and maybe even
risky.  As a mechanic for a municipal government, I have to go out in every
snow "event" to get to work, and have never failed to show up in my 2WD.  But
then, the traffic is so heavy here (Metro Denver) most of the time, the roads
are covered by cars and trucks and doesn't get much of a chance to hit the
streets. ;)
Alex

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From: "Rick Russell" <r.russell sk.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:31:37 -0600

Four wheel drive is a great way to get through deep snow, and help get you
through all kinds of extremes in weather, dual rear wheels are not advisable
unless you need them for weight carrying capacity, they will substantially
reduce your traction on icy roads.  As stated in an earlier post  the 4
wheel power greatly increases your acceleration. I believe that it does help
with braking making it better than a 2 wheel drive vehicle ( but not twice
as good). I have noticed that it does not improve your ability to stay on a
highway at 65 mph either.
  I live in Canada where we can get very extreme weather and have found
that a 2wd vehicle is very capable in the right hands.  Most people here
don't have 4 wd and still get to work on time daily, it just becomes a
matter of learning to handle the vehicle you have and make it work for you.
There are many people with 4wd that will get over confidant and not get to
work also, they did not learn to handle the vehicle they have, and learn how
to make it work to its ability . It's all in the attitude, and the ability
to make good choices, that will get you safely through an icy winter
Rick Russell
Automotive Service Technician
78 Bronco Ranger XLT 400 C6
78 Bronco Custom 400 C6
86 F250 4X4 sc 6.9L  banks turbo 4 spd
lots of others that don't matter here
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-----Original Message-----
From: Atkinson, Chip <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com' <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 3:22 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)


>The studded tires are still legal to my knowledge -- you can at least still
>get them here.  I agree.  I took a VW beetle from Boulder to Lakewood,
about
>45 mi. away, in the blizzard of '82 and did great.  I had chains on the
rear
>and never got stuck.  There were bunches of 4wd vehicles off the side of
the
>road but the beetle was as good as you could ask.  Of course, a 4x4 with 4
>chained wheels gives you the ultimate in snow handling.
>
>The real trick with 4wd is to recognize that your stopping and cornering
>traction is no better than any other vehicle of the same size and weight.
>With 4wd, you can accelerate at least twice as fast though, giving you a
>false sense of road quality.  I got lucky and learned this at 4 am by
>hitting a curb rather than plunging into the ditch right behind it.  I was
>at a stop light turning left and couldn't make the turn.  With the 4wd, I
>got going too fast to make the turn.  That was sobering*, especially
>considering how poor I was at the time and that it wasn't my vehicle I was
>driving.
>
>
>Chip
>
>*sobering as in the expression, not being drunk.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Humble [mailto:lenrob qmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:06 PM
>> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Move to Colorado (Ford Truck Recomendations)
>>
>>
>> I lived in Colorado so long I hate to even think about it.  Pueblo,
>> Colorado Springs and Denver.  I never had a 4wd vehicle.  I
>> never really
>> had a problem with winter driving except during the major
>> blizzards.  Once
>> about every 6 or 7 years.  Put on studded snow tires for the
>> winter, if
>> they're still legal.  Only once did I use chains.  It's a good idea,
>> though, to have a set, or at least a set of the emergency
>> truncated chains.
>>
>> The best snow vehicle I ever had was a VW Bug.  The worst, a
>> pickup.  Put
>> some bags of sand in the back of your truck bed, for the
>> weight and if you
>> get stuck you can use the sand for traction.
>>
>> That stuff above only applies, as someone else said, along
>> the Front Range
>> and out east.  If you're going to live in the real high
>> country I'd use it
>> as an excuse to get me a 4wd.
>>
>> Robert
>>
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From: "big red" <big_red_59 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Snow and 4wd
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 06:44:44 GMT

Just to put my 2cents in here about the snow I must say that as long as you
know how to drive in different situations you will be just fine in any
vehicle. I live in northern minnesota on the shore of lake superior so I get
to deal with all that lake effect snow too. I have a 4x and a mustang that I
drive all year round. There are times when yes a 4x is the only way to go,
like when you have 3' snow drifts all the way around your car. Make sure you
have some wieght over the rear wheels for the added traction, and remember
not to slam on the brakes or you'll slide longer than you think. I haven't
tried studs or chains, but I'm sure they serve there purpose in the
mountains. Personally I think that limited slip is the way to go in the snow
too. Just a personal preference.
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:24:17 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: SEMA Show / Meet the web master

FTE (Ken and Peggy Payne) will be at Cozymels (Mexican)on Paradize
and Flamingo in Las Vegas on Saturday at 1:00pm.  We'll have several
FTE t-shirts to give to any FTE users that show up.  Look forward
to meeting some of you!

We're staying at the Days Inn, room 3031 if you need to get in touch
with us.

Ken,
FTE Admin

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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:36:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Rozell <prozell yahoo.com>
Subject: tire size

I am looking into tires for my f150, and on the diferent sites it list sizes that I am use to like
235/75 r 15, they also list sizes like 30x9.50R15L. The standard lettering I am used to but the
30x numbers I am not. I have a 96 F150 with factory chrome rims, what is the largest diameter and
width that I can go with??? Has anbody else on the list done this.

Paul

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