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80-96-list Digest Mon, 23 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 224

In This Issue:
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Surging Idle, Vacuum and EGR
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Dual-Tanks/Fuel Guage question
Re: Dual-Tanks/Fuel Guage question
Re: Lost my clutch

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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:30:45 -0700

I can't remember ever seeing a ZF or a Mazda with an external slave.  The
oldest one I can remember was an '87 Bronco, the newest one was a '97 F250
Diesel.
Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
"As fast as necessary, as slow as possible"



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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:49:04 -0700
From: chuck sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch

Found the problem...the master slave definitely broke.  I don't know
what held it to the bracket at the bellhousing but whatever it was is
gone.  And the plastic at the front is all busted up and the rounded end
push rod was gone too.  New master slave was 80+ bux but no indication
as to what holds the damn thing to the bracket.  Anyone have knowledge
here?
Thanks,
Chuck


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From: "Travis Moore" <webdoc arkansas.net>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:00:25 -0500

Should be a "C" shaped plastic clip.



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From: "Monte Austin" <monte_austin lanset.com>
Subject: Surging Idle, Vacuum and EGR
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:23:24 -0700

I just replaced my 4.9L in my '82 F100 with a rebuilt.
Problem I am having now is a surging idle.
Here is what I know:
 1. Idle surges
 2. Remove vacuum line from EGR valve and it smooths out
 3. Leave vacuum line on and I can see the valve moving in time to the
surging
 4. Not much vacuum during idle from any of the ports

Questions are:
 1.  How much vacuum should I expect at idle?
 2.  How do I test the EGR?  Is it posible to clean it or do I need to
replace it?
 3. What's the correct way to test the vacuum?

Any and all help would be appreciated,
Monte


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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:07:54 -0400
From: Shawn Clemons <sclemons vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch

OH... good call. The thought never even crossed my mind.

All the ZF trannys came with internals from what I've seen, although
they're supposed to have come both ways.

At 12:11 PM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I don't know about the 5 speeds but all of the hydraulic 4 speeds I have
>seen (and ZF 5speeds for that matter) have had EXTERNAL slave cylinder.

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Shawn Clemons
'90 Bronco XLT 5.0EFI M5OD 4.10LS 4" 35's
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/users/sclemons/index.html

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From: rexbennett eibiz.net
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 07:27:23 -0500

I have read that they came with an external slave but I have never seen one
this way myself either.  I looked at quite a few of them about a year ago
when I was considering replacing the TOD in my 87 F150 with a five speed and
wanted the lower first gear ratio of the ZF.  From what I have read there is
a HD version of the ZF that has an external slave but I never found one.
Some one told me these mainly came on the diesel trucks and that they also
have different gear ratios but I don't really know for sure if that's true.

By the way Travis is right about the big C clip I remember it know that he
mentions it.

Rex

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OH... good call. The thought never even crossed my mind.

All the ZF trannys came with internals from what I've seen, although
they're supposed to have come both ways.

At 12:11 PM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I don't know about the 5 speeds but all of the hydraulic 4 speeds I have
>seen (and ZF 5speeds for that matter) have had EXTERNAL slave cylinder.



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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:08:17 -0700

The slave cyliner broke??  One the big block and diesel bellhousings the
slave cylinder just slides onto the mounts and stays put with a clip.  On
the small block bellhousings  I think their may be to bolts that bolt it on.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: chuck sanborn [mailto:slammer deltanet.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:49 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


Found the problem...the master slave definitely broke.  I don't know
what held it to the bracket at the bellhousing but whatever it was is
gone.  And the plastic at the front is all busted up and the rounded end
push rod was gone too.  New master slave was 80+ bux but no indication
as to what holds the damn thing to the bracket.  Anyone have knowledge
here?
Thanks,
Chuck

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:36:33 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch


>The slave cyliner broke??  One the big block and diesel bellhousings the
>slave cylinder just slides onto the mounts and stays put with a clip.  On
>the small block bellhousings  I think their may be to bolts that bolt it on.
>Josh

Yep Josh, sure did.  I'm thinking that somehow the clip came off and allowed
the cylinder to be pushed kinda sideways when I pushed in the clutch, then
with all the strain, broke the "ears" off the front of the plastic part of
the cylinder,
then just fell out of the bracket.  Weird but true.
Chuck



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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:02:58 -0700

It was 80 bucks for just the slave cylinder? What motor does it have and
what year?

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Sanborn [mailto:slammer deltanet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:37 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch



>The slave cyliner broke??  One the big block and diesel bellhousings the
>slave cylinder just slides onto the mounts and stays put with a clip.  On
>the small block bellhousings  I think their may be to bolts that bolt it
on.
>Josh

Yep Josh, sure did.  I'm thinking that somehow the clip came off and allowed
the cylinder to be pushed kinda sideways when I pushed in the clutch, then
with all the strain, broke the "ears" off the front of the plastic part of
the cylinder,
then just fell out of the bracket.  Weird but true.
Chuck


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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:27:14 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch

At 09:02 AM 10/24/00 -0700, you wrote:
>It was 80 bucks for just the slave cylinder? What motor does it have and
>what year?

4.9L, 1986, F-150, 3-spd


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From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:36:04 -0700

Well the price was about in the middle.  I just called our local Kragen, and
for a brand spankin' new Raybestos slave cylinder part #sc37723 they want
$60.99.  Probably won't take you more than 20 minutes to change.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Sanborn [mailto:slammer deltanet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:27 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


At 09:02 AM 10/24/00 -0700, you wrote:
>It was 80 bucks for just the slave cylinder? What motor does it have and
>what year?

4.9L, 1986, F-150, 3-spd

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:08:40 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch

At 09:36 AM 10/24/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Well the price was about in the middle.  I just called our local Kragen, and
>for a brand spankin' new Raybestos slave cylinder part #sc37723 they want
>$60.99.  Probably won't take you more than 20 minutes to change.

Ya, I figured Kragen would probably have it for less but in a lot of cases
I will go to my local Mom & Pop store since they can usually get me most
anything I need for my 64 Falcon.  And I usually get a fair discount, which
I probably got off of His list price.  We have a deal whereby I tell him how
much I can get it from elsewhere and he will usually beat or match.  Sometimes
though I will just go with his list less my discount.  Besides, he gives me
quite
a bit of labor for free  :-)
Pick up the clip this afternoon and have it in not much later.
Thanks,
Chuck


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From: Vonpies aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:07:05 EDT
Subject: Dual-Tanks/Fuel Guage question

Hello,

85 F250/351W

When I fill up the front and rear tanks and set the switch on
REAR the fuel gauge reads *full*. After driving for a while,
the needle does not decrease *normally*, it drops to EMPTY.

So far, I have been driving around until she starts to act up,
then I just switch to the front tank and continue on my way.
The gauge works fine when the switch is set to read the front
tank.

What do I do to troubleshoot what the cause is, or is this a
no-brainer and this list can help me to replace whatever it is
that will fix the problem.

You have probably heard this all before...but having you guys
out here like this is trully a God-send!!

Richard Collins
85 F250/351W

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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Dual-Tanks/Fuel Guage question
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:57:15 -0600

It sounds like the sending unit is fried.  If you have the slack in the
wires, try switching the wire to the sending units so that the back and
front are reversed.  Then if the same behavior happens with the setting on
the front tank it's very likely the sending unit.

An alternative is to lower the tank, remove the sending unit and connect it
to the wires.  Move the float a bit and watch the gas gauge.  I can tell you
how I lowered the tank on my truck if you are curious about that procedure.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vonpies aol.com [mailto:Vonpies aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 1:07 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Dual-Tanks/Fuel Guage question
>
>
> Hello,
>
> 85 F250/351W
>
> When I fill up the front and rear tanks and set the switch on
> REAR the fuel gauge reads *full*. After driving for a while,
> the needle does not decrease *normally*, it drops to EMPTY.
>
> So far, I have been driving around until she starts to act up,
> then I just switch to the front tank and continue on my way.
> The gauge works fine when the switch is set to read the front
> tank.
>
> What do I do to troubleshoot what the cause is, or is this a
> no-brainer and this list can help me to replace whatever it is
> that will fix the problem.
>
> You have probably heard this all before...but having you guys
> out here like this is trully a God-send!!
>
> Richard Collins
> 85 F250/351W
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From: Eric Sneed <ESneed REIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:35:12 -0700

I've got a 89 w/4sp, my truck has an external slave that is held on to a
bracket with a clip. the Hard plastic line from the master is held by a pin
that can be pushed out and the hard plastic line then can be removed. by the
way I have the 300 six.
Eric

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Sanborn [SMTP:slammer deltanet.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:14 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch
>
> Hey Josh,
> I thank you and must say that I like your answer best of all....
> I can only hope that that is the setup that I have .
> Thanks again,
> Chuck
>
>
> At 12:11 PM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >EXTERNAL slave cylinder.
> >They are very easily changed and even pretty cheap.  Should be about $40
> >bucks maybe less at any parts store.  You also do not have to throw away
> the
> >whole setup.
>
>
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