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80-96-list Digest Sun, 22 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 223

In This Issue:
Alston Chassis for sale
Lost my clutch
Shocks
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
truck won't idle
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: truck won't idle
Re: truck won't idle
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch
Re: Lost my clutch

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From: Nite4x aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:50:15 EDT
Subject: Alston Chassis for sale

I don't know how many of ya are racers as well as wheelers, but its time for
this thing to go.

Alston Chassis S/G Kit
BBC/SBC  Mustang II front suspension, setup for pinto rack
10 point cage/2x3rails  all mandrel bent, mild steel
have all instructions, and prints for 97" to 110" wb
Must sell
First $500 takes it

This has been sitting for too many years, and my Uncle needs it out of the
garage.  If you know anyone who might be interested, please foward it to
them, or another list.  Thanks guys!!

Joe D.
92 F150
No Limits Engineering

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:26:07 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Lost my clutch

Coming to work today at 6:00am, as I am traversing the 4058 FWY in
normal VERY HEAVY traffic, I shift into second gear....and the clutch
pedal stays down.
By staying quite a bit away from those in front of me I was able to
nurse the truck to where I work and park it in the parking lot.
I popped the hood and see a long (about 8") black cylindrical thing
hanging at the end of the clutch master cylinder line, like it had
popped out of the bell housing.
Did a bracket break?  What is it that I am seeing and how much
of a PITA will it be to fix it?  If it's a shade tree type fix, fine,. I can
do that.  Otherwise I'll have it towed to the shop.
Anyone help me on this?
Thanks,
Chuck
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1986 F150 six banger


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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:56:43 -0400
From: Martin Horne <flatspin optonline.net>
Subject: Shocks

Hello.

I need a little advice if you could. The time has come and I need to
replace the shocks on my '86 Bronco Full Size. I have the standard two
shock rear and the quad setup in front.

I am looking for something that will be a little softer through the New
York Metro pot-holes, right now (with what look like monroe's) the whole
truck crashes over small lumps and I would like something a little smoother
if possible.

I know it will never ride like a Caddy, but I rarely off-road with it so
don't see the need to suffer for 98% of my driving.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.


Martin Horne
'86 Bronco
Long Island, NY

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:18:20 +0100
From: Shawn Clemons <sclemons vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch

That's part of the slave cylinder. Never heard of this happening before, but
you can try pushing it back in. It should lock in place. Err... then again,
maybe it's held in with a cross-pin. I don't remember off-hand.

You'll have to add hydraulic fluid and bleed the system. But chances are, it
broke and you'll need a new slave cylinder ($$$). It costs me about $300 in
labor just to have the transmission dropped, btw. The slave cylinder and
labor is about $250-300 more.

If you wind up going that route, consider replacing the clutch master
cylinder as well.

> By staying quite a bit away from those in front of me I was able to
> nurse the truck to where I work and park it in the parking lot.
> I popped the hood and see a long (about 8") black cylindrical thing
> hanging at the end of the clutch master cylinder line, like it had
> popped out of the bell housing.



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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:33:07 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch

At 02:18 PM 10/23/00 +0100, you wrote:
>  But chances are, it
>broke and you'll need a new slave cylinder ($$$). It costs me about $300 in
>labor just to have the transmission dropped, btw. The slave cylinder and
>labor is about $250-300 more.

Ewwwwww...thanks Shawn.  Not only that but my wifes LTD decided to
start a water leak from the head gasket!
When it rains.....
Chuck


------------------------------

From: Vic Erwin <vic webdigs.com>
Subject: truck won't idle
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:47:11 -0700 (PDT)


I've got 90 f150 w/5.0 EFI and am having the following problem.

when I first start the truck it kills at idle, and has even been killing
the first few times I stop too. after it gets good and warm its been
doing fine, until recently. its started giving out randomly at idle -
like this morning at the grocery store when I took my foot off the gas
and cut the wheel hard to get into a space. having this thing go out in
the middle of turning and losing the power steering isn't much fun.

any ideas?

-vic



------------------------------

From: rexbennett eibiz.net
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:54:06 -0500

There are basically two types of hydraulic clutch setups on these trucks,
most of the five speed transmissions have an internal slave cylinder that
requires the transmission to be separated from the engine to remove.  I am
guessing that you 86 has a four speed transmission in which case it probably
has an externally mounted slave cylinder that is held to the side of the
bell housing with a bolt.  If you lucky the bolt backed out and you didn't
loose the piston that is inside the slave cylinder or the lever that
attaches to the throw out bearing and you can bolt it back in place.  If you
lost the piston you will probably have to replace it, not sure on your 86
but the 87 I used to have had the disposable hydraulic clutch setup where
the master cylinder is attached to the slave with a piece of nonremovable
plastic line and it has to be changed as a unit.

Rex

-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Shawn Clemons
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:18 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


That's part of the slave cylinder. Never heard of this happening before, but
you can try pushing it back in. It should lock in place. Err... then again,
maybe it's held in with a cross-pin. I don't remember off-hand.

You'll have to add hydraulic fluid and bleed the system. But chances are, it
broke and you'll need a new slave cylinder ($$$). It costs me about $300 in
labor just to have the transmission dropped, btw. The slave cylinder and
labor is about $250-300 more.

If you wind up going that route, consider replacing the clutch master
cylinder as well.

> By staying quite a bit away from those in front of me I was able to
> nurse the truck to where I work and park it in the parking lot.
> I popped the hood and see a long (about 8") black cylindrical thing
> hanging at the end of the clutch master cylinder line, like it had
> popped out of the bell housing.


------------------------------

From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: truck won't idle
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:56:44 -0600

For my 1980 F250, I had a terrible idle and could barely keep it running.
Fixing massive vacuum leaks made all the difference (Thanks Dave!).  Try
checking the hoses and vacuum motors attached to the manifold.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vic Erwin [mailto:vic webdigs.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:47 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] truck won't idle
>
>
>
> I've got 90 f150 w/5.0 EFI and am having the following problem.
>
> when I first start the truck it kills at idle, and has even
> been killing
> the first few times I stop too. after it gets good and warm its been
> doing fine, until recently. its started giving out randomly at idle -
> like this morning at the grocery store when I took my foot off the gas
> and cut the wheel hard to get into a space. having this thing
> go out in
> the middle of turning and losing the power steering isn't much fun.
>
> any ideas?
>
>  -vic
>
>
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From: Harmonybapt cs.com
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:59:41 EDT
Subject: Re: truck won't idle

I went through a similar thing once.  In my case, it was the air bypass
valve.  I took it off and cleaned it up with some carb and choke cleaner,
dropped it on the concrete and broke it- then went and bought a new one.  It
worked like a charm.  I would suggest that if at all possible you might want
to skip step 3 above (dropping it).  Cleaning it up should do the trick.  The
throttle position sensor attatches to the airbypass valve, and it tends to
affect idle when it gets gummed up.
My truck has the 5.8 L so the setup might be a little different, but I don't
think it is- and this might not be your problem at all, but mine was doing
exactly as you described beforehand.
If you do this, you'l need to run by the parts store and get the gasket (s??)
for the valve.  It'a an easy job.  The hardest part of it for me was holding
onto it.

Nate

In a message dated 10/23/00 1:43:10 PM Central Daylight Time, vic webdigs.com
writes:

<< I've got 90 f150 w/5.0 EFI and am having the following problem.

when I first start the truck it kills at idle, and has even been killing
the first few times I stop too. after it gets good and warm its been
doing fine, until recently. its started giving out randomly at idle -
like this morning at the grocery store when I took my foot off the gas
and cut the wheel hard to get into a space. having this thing go out in
the middle of turning and losing the power steering isn't much fun.

any ideas?

 -vic >>

------------------------------

From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:11:09 -0700

I don't know about the 5 speeds but all of the hydraulic 4 speeds I have
seen (and ZF 5speeds for that matter) have had EXTERNAL slave cylinder.
They are very easily changed and even pretty cheap.  Should be about $40
bucks maybe less at any parts store.  You also do not have to throw away the
whole setup.  The slave cylinder is connected to the master cylinder with a
hard plastic hose which WILL seperate.  Their is a little pin in the slave
cylinder that locks the plastic hose in place.  If you drive out this pin
the hose will come right off.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: rexbennett eibiz.net [mailto:rexbennett eibiz.net]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:54 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


There are basically two types of hydraulic clutch setups on these trucks,
most of the five speed transmissions have an internal slave cylinder that
requires the transmission to be separated from the engine to remove.  I am
guessing that you 86 has a four speed transmission in which case it probably
has an externally mounted slave cylinder that is held to the side of the
bell housing with a bolt.  If you lucky the bolt backed out and you didn't
loose the piston that is inside the slave cylinder or the lever that
attaches to the throw out bearing and you can bolt it back in place.  If you
lost the piston you will probably have to replace it, not sure on your 86
but the 87 I used to have had the disposable hydraulic clutch setup where
the master cylinder is attached to the slave with a piece of nonremovable
plastic line and it has to be changed as a unit.

Rex

-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Shawn Clemons
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:18 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


That's part of the slave cylinder. Never heard of this happening before, but
you can try pushing it back in. It should lock in place. Err... then again,
maybe it's held in with a cross-pin. I don't remember off-hand.

You'll have to add hydraulic fluid and bleed the system. But chances are, it
broke and you'll need a new slave cylinder ($$$). It costs me about $300 in
labor just to have the transmission dropped, btw. The slave cylinder and
labor is about $250-300 more.

If you wind up going that route, consider replacing the clutch master
cylinder as well.

> By staying quite a bit away from those in front of me I was able to
> nurse the truck to where I work and park it in the parking lot.
> I popped the hood and see a long (about 8") black cylindrical thing
> hanging at the end of the clutch master cylinder line, like it had
> popped out of the bell housing.

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:14:15 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch

At 01:54 PM 10/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
>.  I am
>guessing that you 86 has a four speed transmission in which case it probably
>has an externally mounted slave cylinder that is held to the side of the
>bell housing with a bolt.  If you lucky the bolt backed out and you didn't
>loose the piston that is inside the slave cylinder or the lever that
>attaches to the throw out bearing and you can bolt it back in place.

It is 3 speed.  The black cylinder has a brass or copper or bronze cylindrical
thingee sticking out of it and am hoping that's the piston you're speaking of.
Of course I haven't checked since towing it home an hour ago.  Hopefully
nothing fell off.
Since I was dressed for work and not auto repair I could not get under the
truck to closely inspect but will do that tonight when I get home.
I appreciate the help, Rex.
Chuck


------------------------------

From: rexbennett eibiz.net
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:50:41 -0500

All of the Mazda 5 speeds that I have seen have an internal slave cylinder
and some of the ZF 5 speeds have an internal slave cylinder.  On the 87 4
speed I had even if you could separate the master from the slave no one I
talked to sold them separately it came together, for that matter I couldn't
find a rebuild kit for it either.


-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Nichols, Josh
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:11 PM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


I don't know about the 5 speeds but all of the hydraulic 4 speeds I have
seen (and ZF 5speeds for that matter) have had EXTERNAL slave cylinder.
They are very easily changed and even pretty cheap.  Should be about $40
bucks maybe less at any parts store.  You also do not have to throw away the
whole setup.  The slave cylinder is connected to the master cylinder with a
hard plastic hose which WILL seperate.  Their is a little pin in the slave
cylinder that locks the plastic hose in place.  If you drive out this pin
the hose will come right off.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: rexbennett eibiz.net [mailto:rexbennett eibiz.net]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:54 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


There are basically two types of hydraulic clutch setups on these trucks,
most of the five speed transmissions have an internal slave cylinder that
requires the transmission to be separated from the engine to remove.  I am
guessing that you 86 has a four speed transmission in which case it probably
has an externally mounted slave cylinder that is held to the side of the
bell housing with a bolt.  If you lucky the bolt backed out and you didn't
loose the piston that is inside the slave cylinder or the lever that
attaches to the throw out bearing and you can bolt it back in place.  If you
lost the piston you will probably have to replace it, not sure on your 86
but the 87 I used to have had the disposable hydraulic clutch setup where
the master cylinder is attached to the slave with a piece of nonremovable
plastic line and it has to be changed as a unit.

Rex

-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Shawn Clemons
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:18 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


That's part of the slave cylinder. Never heard of this happening before, but
you can try pushing it back in. It should lock in place. Err... then again,
maybe it's held in with a cross-pin. I don't remember off-hand.

You'll have to add hydraulic fluid and bleed the system. But chances are, it
broke and you'll need a new slave cylinder ($$$). It costs me about $300 in
labor just to have the transmission dropped, btw. The slave cylinder and
labor is about $250-300 more.

If you wind up going that route, consider replacing the clutch master
cylinder as well.

> By staying quite a bit away from those in front of me I was able to
> nurse the truck to where I work and park it in the parking lot.
> I popped the hood and see a long (about 8") black cylindrical thing
> hanging at the end of the clutch master cylinder line, like it had
> popped out of the bell housing.

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:13:31 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch

Hey Josh,
I thank you and must say that I like your answer best of all....
I can only hope that that is the setup that I have .
Thanks again,
Chuck


At 12:11 PM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote:
>EXTERNAL slave cylinder.
>They are very easily changed and even pretty cheap.  Should be about $40
>bucks maybe less at any parts store.  You also do not have to throw away the
>whole setup.



------------------------------

From: "Nichols, Josh" <Josh.Nichols svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:07:06 -0700

I used to work at Kragen and I never did see a slave cylinder for a ford
that was sold as a set with the master cylinder.  They were always sold
seperatly.  I've never looked to closely as a Mazda 5 speed (Wouldn't want
to either) but all of the ZF's I've seen had the external slave cylinder.
Does anyone know when or if they were ever an internal??

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: rexbennett eibiz.net [mailto:rexbennett eibiz.net]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:51 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


All of the Mazda 5 speeds that I have seen have an internal slave cylinder
and some of the ZF 5 speeds have an internal slave cylinder.  On the 87 4
speed I had even if you could separate the master from the slave no one I
talked to sold them separately it came together, for that matter I couldn't
find a rebuild kit for it either.


-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Nichols, Josh
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:11 PM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


I don't know about the 5 speeds but all of the hydraulic 4 speeds I have
seen (and ZF 5speeds for that matter) have had EXTERNAL slave cylinder.
They are very easily changed and even pretty cheap.  Should be about $40
bucks maybe less at any parts store.  You also do not have to throw away the
whole setup.  The slave cylinder is connected to the master cylinder with a
hard plastic hose which WILL seperate.  Their is a little pin in the slave
cylinder that locks the plastic hose in place.  If you drive out this pin
the hose will come right off.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: rexbennett eibiz.net [mailto:rexbennett eibiz.net]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:54 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


There are basically two types of hydraulic clutch setups on these trucks,
most of the five speed transmissions have an internal slave cylinder that
requires the transmission to be separated from the engine to remove.  I am
guessing that you 86 has a four speed transmission in which case it probably
has an externally mounted slave cylinder that is held to the side of the
bell housing with a bolt.  If you lucky the bolt backed out and you didn't
loose the piston that is inside the slave cylinder or the lever that
attaches to the throw out bearing and you can bolt it back in place.  If you
lost the piston you will probably have to replace it, not sure on your 86
but the 87 I used to have had the disposable hydraulic clutch setup where
the master cylinder is attached to the slave with a piece of nonremovable
plastic line and it has to be changed as a unit.

Rex

-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Shawn Clemons
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:18 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Lost my clutch


That's part of the slave cylinder. Never heard of this happening before, but
you can try pushing it back in. It should lock in place. Err... then again,
maybe it's held in with a cross-pin. I don't remember off-hand.

You'll have to add hydraulic fluid and bleed the system. But chances are, it
broke and you'll need a new slave cylinder ($$$). It costs me about $300 in
labor just to have the transmission dropped, btw. The slave cylinder and
labor is about $250-300 more.

If you wind up going that route, consider replacing the clutch master
cylinder as well.

> By staying quite a bit away from those in front of me I was able to
> nurse the truck to where I work and park it in the parking lot.
> I popped the hood and see a long (about 8") black cylindrical thing
> hanging at the end of the clutch master cylinder line, like it had
> popped out of the bell housing.

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From: rexbennett eibiz.net
Subject: Re: Lost my clutch
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:38:50 -0500

We have two F350's with the ZF 5 speed and internal slave cylinders one a 93
with a 351 and the other a 94 with a 460. I have also worked on several
other ZF's with internal slave cylinders so I know they did come that way.

Rex

-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Nichols, Josh
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:07 PM
To: '80-96-list ....

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