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80-96-list Digest Wed, 18 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 220

In This Issue:
Re: Changing Password
Re: Changing Password
Fwd: Message submitted to '80-96-list'
Sorry about that last one
tire question
Re: tire question
Re: tire question
Re: tire question
Re: tire question
Re: tire question
FW: USS Cole
Re: tire question
Fw: AL GORE IN VIETNAM !

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From: "Serian" <serian mailandnews.com>
Subject: Re: Changing Password
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:28:20 -0400

> I don't want to bother Ken about this, as he has GOT to
>  be a busy, busy guy.  So, a question for anybody that
> has a ford-trucks.net e-mail account:
>
> How can I change the password that Ken assigned to
> one that I can remember easily?

I don't have a ford-trucks.com email, but this is a pretty
universal thing for most mail servers:
POP3 ?  If so, and the server is configured for it, there is
an option in Eudora and many other email programs that
allows a change of password.
Or, if you have shell login access, use the unix command
"passwd" to change it.



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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:53:03 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Changing Password


>
>I don't have a ford-trucks.com email, but this is a pretty
>universal thing for most mail servers:
>POP3 ?  If so, and the server is configured for it, there is
>an option in Eudora and many other email programs that
>allows a change of password.
>Or, if you have shell login access, use the unix command
>"passwd" to change it.

Won't work on the FTE site.  The web based email is not
accessible via POP3.  Password changes required a request
to me.

-Ken



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>Not quite sure on it...  everything was redone, cam bearings, EVERYTHING...
>stock volume pump...  tried the mechanical gauge...  worked like ****.. and
>a funny noise its making is a *FSST* noise when it gets up to rpm..  I think
>thats indication burned or bent valves?  the engine sees 4000rpm on a
>regular basis (my foot likes the floor) I'm about to call it quits with this
>engine and see if the machine shop would like to trade me that engine for
>all the parts to rebuild another one... *shrug*
>If ya wanna do something right
>ya gotta do it yourself
>
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>>From: Bill Sample <bsample shermanisd.net>
>>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>>Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Oil Pump
>>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:05:03 -0500
>>
>>I've only seen a few of the posts on the oil pressure discussion but
>>just felt like I had to weigh in on it.  I understand it is a fairly new
>>rebuild- how many miles since the overhaul?  Is it making any other
>>strange or unusual noises?  Assuming the crank and rod bearings are set
>>up properly, my experience in this case is that the cam bushings either
>>were not replaced (depending on the level of overhaul) and are worn or
>>nicked/scraped when the cam was installed.  It really does not take much
>>to loose pressure there and difficult to diagnose.  I believe the first
>>thing I would do is put a mechanical gauge on it and see what the
>>pressure really is at different operating temps.  What weight oil? Good
>>quality filter?  Is it a standard pump or a high volume?
>>
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:36:19 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Sorry about that last one

To the guys on the live list, sorry about letting that last
moderated item slip through.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: tire question
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:11:14 -0600

Greetings,

I'm starting to price tires and wanted to get people's opinions of various
tires and prices.
I was in Costco, the big discount ultramarket, and priced some Michelins and
Kirklands.  The Kirkland is, I believe, their store brand.
Michelin: (Don't remember the model names)
235/85 R-16 $119.99
245/70 R-16  $99.99
275/70 R-16 $107.99

Kirkland
8.75 R 16.5 $72.99

Here's the deal too -- currently I have 16.5" rims, but could probably get
16" rims relatively cheaply.
The tread patterns of all the tires are the "all season" types, not big
knobs, but not smooth ripples like you'd get in a summer type tire.

Any tips/pointers/opinions are appreciated.

Oh, another thing, I haven't explored other options such as retreads or
used.

Thanks again,
Chip

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From: "Mike Miller" <mikemilr blackfoot.net>
Subject: Re: tire question
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:27:58 -0600


----- Original Message -----
From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>

: Any tips/pointers/opinions are appreciated.

Have you looked at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tirerack.com

They have prices about like Costco and a wide variety


mike miller/Montana
85 F250 4x4 SC 6.9 Banks



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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:40:07 -0400
From: Martin Horne <flatspin optonline.net>
Subject: Re: tire question


Chip,

I had Michelins (Michelin X if I remember right) on a Jeep and was really
unhappy with the wet-road performance and the way the grip deteriorated as
the tire wore down. I switched to BF Goodrich and was impressed enough to
fit them twice on the Jeep and on my '86 Bronco Full Size. Don't know if
this applies to the "All Season" Michelins. I do know that a relative has
Mich. on a Mercedes 560 and is very happy with them, but that is a totally
different product from the X.

The BF's reliably run 60-75K Miles/set and dont seem to let go their grip.
I get better grip in 2WD on BF's than I did in 4WD on Mich's.

I have examined the Kirkland Brand and they looked familiar, but I couldn't
place the manufacturer. I have no experience with them, but will be
interested to hear others opinions.

All I can say is, when the chips are down control of the vehicle depends on
approximately 1 square foot of rubber on the road. Is it worth economizing?

This probably doesn't help much. I'm sorry. As they say, you pays your
money and takes your choice!

(BTW - A recent purchase at Sears got 33x12.5R15 BFG Radial All Terrain for
$125.00)

At 10:11 AM 10/19/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>I'm starting to price tires and wanted to get people's opinions of various
>tires and prices.
>I was in Costco, the big discount ultramarket, and priced some Michelins and
>Kirklands.  The Kirkland is, I believe, their store brand.
>Michelin: (Don't remember the model names)
>235/85 R-16 $119.99
>245/70 R-16  $99.99
>275/70 R-16 $107.99
>
>Kirkland
>8.75 R 16.5 $72.99
>
>Here's the deal too -- currently I have 16.5" rims, but could probably get
>16" rims relatively cheaply.
>The tread patterns of all the tires are the "all season" types, not big
>knobs, but not smooth ripples like you'd get in a summer type tire.
>
>Any tips/pointers/opinions are appreciated.
>
>Oh, another thing, I haven't explored other options such as retreads or
>used.
>
>Thanks again,
>Chip

Martin Horne
'86 Bronco
Long Island, NY

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From: "Mike Miller" <mikemilr blackfoot.net>
Subject: Re: tire question
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:44:48 -0600


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Horne" <flatspin optonline.Net>
: Chip,
:
: I had Michelins (Michelin X if I remember right) on a Jeep and was really
: unhappy with the wet-road performance and the way the grip deteriorated as
: the tire wore down.

I put Michelin X   LT tires on a 91 Chev Caprice.  I figured the car weighed
enough  and I drive a lot of gravel roads here in western Montana. The
performance in snow is ***absolutely terrible***. We don't get a lot of rain
here and I don't drive the car much anyways, so I can't comment on the wet
performance.  However, after having two flats in 6 months on passenger car
hiway tires, I havent had a flat in a year now.

mike miller


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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: tire question
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:51:40 -0600

Wow, thanks for the tip on the Michelins.  I think one of the michelin
models was the X, so I'll steer clear of them, that's for sure.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Miller [mailto:mikemilr blackfoot.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:45 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: tire question
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Horne" <flatspin optonline.Net>
> : Chip,
> :
> : I had Michelins (Michelin X if I remember right) on a Jeep
> and was really
> : unhappy with the wet-road performance and the way the grip
> deteriorated as
> : the tire wore down.
>
> I put Michelin X   LT tires on a 91 Chev Caprice.  I figured
> the car weighed
> enough  and I drive a lot of gravel roads here in western Montana. The
> performance in snow is ***absolutely terrible***. We don't
> get a lot of rain
> here and I don't drive the car much anyways, so I can't
> comment on the wet
> performance.  However, after having two flats in 6 months on
> passenger car
> hiway tires, I havent had a flat in a year now.
>
> mike miller
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:07:09 -0400
From: Martin Horne <flatspin optonline.net>
Subject: Re: tire question


Mike,

Totally agree - I didn't have ONE flat in 60,000 miles on the Michelins, but
was afraid to go out in the rain! As for snow, when we did get snow (Long
Island, NY) I would have been better off using greased cookie sheets for grip.




At 10:44 AM 10/19/00 -0600, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Martin Horne" <flatspin optonline.Net>
>: Chip,
>:
>: I had Michelins (Michelin X if I remember right) on a Jeep and was really
>: unhappy with the wet-road performance and the way the grip deteriorated as
>: the tire wore down.
>
>I put Michelin X   LT tires on a 91 Chev Caprice.  I figured the car weighed
>enough  and I drive a lot of gravel roads here in western Montana. The
>performance in snow is ***absolutely terrible***. We don't get a lot of rain
>here and I don't drive the car much anyways, so I can't comment on the wet
>performance.  However, after having two flats in 6 months on passenger car
>hiway tires, I havent had a flat in a year now.
>
>mike miller





M.

<mailto:FlatSpin Optonline.Net>FlatSpin Optonline.Net


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From: "Phillips, Jim (EMA)" <PhillipsJD navair.navy.mil>
Subject: FW: USS Cole
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:30:03 -0700



> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Landry,Christopher P. LT (VS22)
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:26 AM
> > > >> To: Brown, Hamett Q. AVCM(VS22)
> > > >> Subject:
> > > >>
> > > >> CO, XO, CMC,
> > > >>
> > > >> I just got an e-mail from a good friend of mine who flys SH-60B's
> off
> > > the USS Hawes. I thought you might like to read it.
> > > >>
> > > >> "It wasn't until a few days ago though, that we started doing
> > > >> something that I feel may be the first thing I've seen in my short
> > > Naval  career that has truly made a difference. Right now we're
> > supporting
> > > the USS COLE and her crew in Aden. When the attack occurred we were a
> > dayaway. Just by luck we happened to be on our way out of the Gulf and
> > > >> headed towards the Suez and could get here in a relatively short
> > amount
> > > of time.
> >
> > I know what you all have seen on CNN, because we have seen it
> > > too. I just want you all to know that what you see doesn't even
> scratch
> > the surface. I'm not going to get into it for obvious reasons. But I
> will
> > > >> tell you that right now there are 250+ sailors just a few miles
> away
> > > >> living in hell on Earth. I'm sitting in a nice air conditioned
> state
> > > >> room, they're sleeping out on the decks at night. You can't even
> > > imagine the conditions they're living in, and yet they are still
> > fighting
> > 24 hours a day to save their ship and free the bodies of those still
> > trapped
> > and send them home. As bad as it is, they're doing an incredible job.
> The
> > > >> very fact that these people are still functioning is beyond my
> > > >> comprehension. Whatever you imagine as the worst, multiply it by
> ten
> > > and you might get there. Today I was tasked to photo rig the ship and
> > > >> surrounding area. It looked so much worse than I had imagined,
> > > >> unbelievable really, with debris and disarray everywhere, the ship
> > > >> listing, the hole in her side. I wish I had the power to relay to
> you
> > > all what I have seen, but words just won't do it. I do want to tell
> you
> > > the first thing that jumped out at me - the Stars and Stripes flying.
> I
> > > can't tell you how that made me feel...even in this God forsaken hell
> > hole
> > > our flag was more beautiful than words can describe. Then I started to
> > > notice the mass of activity going on below, scores of people working
> > non-stop in 90 plus degree weather to save this ship. They're doing it
> > with almost no electrical power and they're sleeping (when they can
> sleep)
> > outside on the decks because they can't stand the smell or the heat or
> the
> > darkness
> > > >> inside. They only want to eat what we bring them because they're
> all
> > > >> scared of eating something brought by the local vendors. Even with
> > all
> > > >> that, the USS COLE and her crew is sending a message guys, and it's
> > > that even acts of cowardice and hate can do nothing to the spirit and
> > pride of the United States. I have never been so proud of what I do, or
> of
> > the
> > > men and women that I serve with as I was today. There are sixteen
> > > confirmed dead sailors who put it on the line for all of us, and some
> of
> > them are still trapped here. Please take a minute to pray for their
> > families
> > > and say a word of thanks for their sacrifice - one made so that we can
> > live the lives that we do. All of you that serve with me, thank you. All
> > > of you that have loved ones that serve, thank you."
> > > >>
> > > >> Please feel free to pass this on to those you think will appreciate
> > it.
> > > >>
> > > >> V/R
> > > >> LT Landry
> >
> >
> >

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From: Craig.Wallace emotors.com
Subject: Re: tire question
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:08:52 -0500

Chip,

I just recently got new tires put on my '94 F150.  I wanted something that
looked more aggressive than your typical all season tire, but didn't need
anything for mudding, either (2WD).  A friend of mine owns a tire shop and
got me a good deal on some 265/75 R15 MasterCraft Courser A/Ts (see
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.warehouse-tire.com/mastercraft.htm for photo).  They look great
and have a 50,000 mile warranty.  Not sure how much you can get them for
where you're at, but I got them for $74.00 a piece (Road Hazard package
included).  Mastercraft is a division of Cooper Tires.  So I expect them to
be good tires.

Later,
Craig Wallace
'94 F150 300 I-6
Brighton, Il

> I'm starting to price tires and wanted to get people's opinions of various
> tires and prices.
> I was in Costco, the big discount ultramarket, and priced some Michelins
> and
> Kirklands.  The Kirkland is, I believe, their store brand.
> Michelin: (Don't remember the model names)
> 235/85 R-16 $119.99
> 245/70 R-16  $99.99
> 275/70 R-16 $107.99
>
> Kirkland
> 8.75 R 16.5 $72.99
>
> Here's the deal too -- currently I have 16.5" rims, but could probably get
> 16" rims relatively cheaply.
> The tread patterns of all the tires are the "all season" types, not big
> knobs, but not smooth ripples like you'd get in a summer type tire.
>
> Any tips/pointers/opinions are appreciated.
>
> Oh, another thing, I haven't explored other options such as retreads or
> used.
>
> Thanks again,
> Chip

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From: "Joel" <treefort prodigy.net>
Subject: Fw: AL GORE IN VIETNAM !
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:55:10 -0500


______________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:27 AM
Subject: Fw: AL GORE IN VIETNAM !


>
>
> ----------
> > From: John Watkins <j&gw mail2.lcia.com>
> > To: Anita Thomas <AnitaJT prodigy.net>; Charles Carlisle
> <ccarlisle danielrealty.com>; Beth Miller <Beth MillerMail.net>; Stan
> Burson <Srburson aol.com>; Ellie McDonald <etjmdan2 digital.net>; Winnie
> Tucker <WTuc aol.com>; Chris Watkins <chris_watkins hp.com>; Clay Stewart
> <2stewarts excite.com>; Cathy Stewart <tkhsdrulman mindspring.com>
> > Subject: Fw: AL GORE IN VIETNAM !
> > Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:47 AM
> >
> > Forward!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: JO ELLEN JACKSON <JOJO.JACK worldnet.att.net>
> > To: Ackert-Burr, Cheri [ASP] <cackertb ASPUS.JNJ.com>; <ANNWY aol.com>;
> joe
> > aramodor <SurgeryJoe aol.com>; Bill BAiley <bbailey vsta.com>; Brandi
> Bailey
> > <ladybailey hotmail.com>; baileybuds <baileybuds alltel.net>; Shannon
> Bean
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> > <fdbrown NAXS.NET>; PAT Bryant <pmbryant flash.net>; mike&terri burke
> > <mjbbs worldnet.att.net>; Jeff Caldwell <jeffcaldwell worldnet.att.net>;
> > Charles Thomas Carlisle <ccarlisle danielrealty.com>; Oscar Dominguez
> > <dominguz swbell.net>; hector ruby estrada <HRest43 aol.com>;
> > <FLINTS3 aol.com>; Hal Flynt <half migonline.com>; Hal Flynt
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> > <SFlynt CovHlth.com>; Jake Foster <JakeFoster aol.com>;
> <freesam gte.net>;
> > Andy Gann <AndyGann cs.c
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:56 PM
> > Subject: Fw: AL GORE IN VIETNAM !
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Patrick Crane <xhorn webtv.net>
> > > To: <nwickham trailnet.com>; <billpats juno.com>;
> <bobinelpas webtv.net>;
> > > <carlbea aol.com>; <cjohanson law.com>; <LAFAYETT ktc.com>;
> > > <dduffey swbell.net>; <dbblackjack msn.com>; <TXDER aol.com>;
> > > <elynda jeffmehl.com>; <JOJO.JACK WORLDNET.ATT.NET>; <phdjrb aol.com>;
> > > <papajohn lcc.net>; <keelymobley prodigy.net>;
> > <kenwickham mindspring.com>;
> > > <jimmcsc aol.com>; <ljenks52 hotmail.com>; <countryflyfish fbg.net>;
> > > <heavypc1 yahoo.com>; <tom tthompson.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:30 PM
> > > Subject: AL GORE IN VIETNAM !
> > >
> > >
> > > AL GORE IN VIET NAM - VIETNAM VETS ATTENTION "Rod J. Martin" wrote:
> > > Having posted a little tickler in last week's Digest about Al Gore's
> 141
> > > days in Vietnam," The Federalist Editorial Board was inundated with
> > > inquiries from Vietnam vets. Most went something like this: "Gore
> > > claimed in his convention speech: 'I enlisted in the Army because I
> knew
> > > if I didn't go, someone else in the small town of Carthage, Tennessee
> > > would have to go in my place.' Since he wasn't KIA or wounded, how was
> > > it that his Army tour was far shorter than all the rest of us?" Our
> > > astute veteran readers took the bait! Gore's campaign launched a
> > > multimillion-dollar ad campaign this week to tell his "life story."
The
> > > ads will include references to his service" in Vietnam, however brief.
> > > Gore spent less than five months of a typical twelve-month tour in
> > > Vietnam. He spent every minute of his "tour" as a "rear echelon...."
> > > (call any combat veteran and they can complete that phrase for you).
He
> > > was classified as a military journalist after telling recruiters he
was
> > > a newspaper trainee" (read "copy boy") for the New York Times while a
> > > student at Harvard. He was assigned as a noncombatant "information
> > > specialist" to the Army's 20th Engineers Brigade headquarters at Bien
> > > Hoa military base near Saigon. Gore's immediate supervisor in Vietnam
> > > has confirmed that his posting there came with explicit instructions
to
> > > baby-sit him (his daddy) and make sure he was never in any danger.
That
> > > fact notwithstanding, Gore has claimed to the Washington Post that he
> > > was "shot at" and "spent most of my time in the field." He later told
> > > the Baltimore Sun that "I pulled my turn on the perimeter at night and
> > > walked through the elephant grass and I was fired upon." He has since
> > > backed off these exaggerated claims.
> > > On May 22, 1971, not five months into his "tour of duty," Gore was
> given
> > > special dispensation and a one-way ticket home to attend divinity
> school
> > > in Nashville. He dropped out shortly thereafter. As for the seven ....


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