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80-96-list Digest Sun, 08 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 213

In This Issue:
Re: Oil Pressure Sender
Re: Oil pressure sender...need part number
defroster not switching 1984 F150
Oil pressure sender
Ignition problem
Re: Ford V8 Swap - 302 vs. 351?
Fuel Pump related code
Re: Oil Pressure Sender
Re: Oil pressure sender...need part number
Re: Oil pressure sender...need part number
Re: Propane Power.
Re: Propane Power.
Re: Propane Power.
speedometer calibration

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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:58:13 -0700
From: Marv & Marge <ae722 lafn.org>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Sender

Shawn Clemons wrote:
> By cutting out the resistor and replacing the sending unit, you can have a
> functioning gauge.

Not unless you replace that cut out resistor with a jumper wire.  You don't
"cut it out", you jumper across it.  Otherwise, you'll wonder where the oil
pressure went.

BTW, Fred DeRoos, mailto:flderoos mmm.com had some real interesting comments
about this subject when I last spoke to him.  Contact him for a LOT more info.

-M-

Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".

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From: "Wallace A. Gustafson" <cobra2004 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure sender...need part number
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:58:58 -0700

This sender is for an actual gauge.  The resistance of sensor is as follows:
   Low Pressure -- approx 74 ohms
   High Pressure -- approx 9.7 ohms

From the investigation on my vehicles, this pressure guage is an actual
gusge -- not just sensing pressure over 3 psi.  Like was denoted by another
lister.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wallace A. Gustafson" <cobra2004 earthlink.net>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:09 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Oil pressure sender...need part number


> If you are running a 5.0 V-8 -- The part number should be F3ZZ-9278-A
> (SW-2433).  Check with local Ford Dealer to verify.
>
> Wallace A. Gustafson
> 1991 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible (Cobra & Police Modifications)
> 1991 Ford F-150 XLT Lariat (Police Modifications -- In Process)
> 1976 Kawasaki KZ900A4 (Restoration Project)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Deis <steve avdec.com>
> To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 5:29 PM
> Subject: [80-96-list] Oil pressure sender...need part number
>
>
> > I'm trying to find a resistance-type oil pressure sender to replace the
> > off-on switch sender in my '88 F-150.
> >
> > Somebody posted about a month or so that an '87 Bronco sender could be
> > used...that shows as a switch in my parts listing.
> >
> > Shop manual describes a resistance sender with 9.7 ohms resistance on
> > the low side, and 73 ohms on the high side.
> >
> > Does anyone have a NAPA/Echlin/Autolite/Delco/whatever part number??
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help.
> >
> > Steve Deis
> >


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From: "Rob Sartorius OLD" <sartrc qwestinternet.net>
Subject: defroster not switching 1984 F150
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:51:40 -0500


     1984 F150 ex cab v-8 XLT...the defroster or for that matter any blower direction will not work, I am a little familiar with this stuff, I took off the plastic nipple with the 5 vac leads and tried to hot connect the vac, which was working to another of the leads and it makes no difference in where it is plugged in...only air from the vents, no high or low, but I can force the gate closed when a/c is MAX (No A/c running. I thougt that the default gateway if you disengaged the vac was defroster..some cars have done that in the past....any help appreciated.


Rob Sartorius
Edmond, OK


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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:05:12 -0700
From: Steve Deis <steve avdec.com>
Subject: Oil pressure sender

Thanks mucho to those who replied...

What I'm doing is replacing the off-on sender with a variable resistance
sender, hoping to get a little more definition/information from the op
gauge.

After a LOT of webbing, I found a page or 2 that details the
change...you basically do 2 things:  1/  Solder a straight wire across
the 20 ohm resistor connected to the op gage on the back of the
instrument cluster, and 2/ replace the off-on sender with a resistance
sender.  Part numbers that work (at least according to the stuff I
found) include Standard Parts #PS-60, Echlin # OP6091, or Motorcraft
SW-1547-B (old pn E4ZZ-9278-A).

It may be easier just to ask for a stock sender from an '80 pickup :).

Steve Deis

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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:11:36 -0700
From: Steve Deis <steve avdec.com>
Subject: Ignition problem

Chuck, one of 4 things (hope you have a steering wheel puller)...

1/  Check the lock cylinder for free movement, it's easy to get off the
steering column.  If it moves freely, go to step 2.  If not, a new
cylinder is about 12 bucks.

2/  Disconnect the battery, lower the steering column, and remove the
switch.

3/  With the switch removed, check that the actuator rod moves freely
when you turn the key back and forth.  If not, pull the steering wheel
and lubricate the linkage inside after cleaning out all the old gunk.

4/  If you're still getting resistance, check the rod for straightness
(they occasionally get goobered).  If you need a new electrical switch,
they're under 15 $$.

hth
Steve Deis


> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:52:06 -0500
> From: Chuck Biggs <biggs flash.net>
> Subject: Ignition problem
>
> I turned the key on my 1990 F-150 to start it this morning and I felt a click when it went to "start" and the key
> stopped in the start position.  It lost the "springy" resistance normally present when starting the truck.  The starter
> will not turn over (nothing at all) and the shift lever is stuck in Park.  The key moves through "acc" to "off" to
> "start" but it stops "hard" on start.  I have the factory manuals but I am not sure where to look.  Is this an ignition
> lock cylinder problem or a switch actuator rod from the ignition lock cylinder problem or an ignition switch problem?
> The steering wheel unlocks when I turn the key to "On" but the shift lever will not move out of Park.  I finally crawled
> under the truck and disconnected the transmission from shift lever so I could push the truck out to the curb, unblocking
> my garage.
>
> Thanks for any advice you might have.
>
> Chuck

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From: "Jason Derra" <derrar internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Ford V8 Swap - 302 vs. 351?
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:31:10 -0700


>  isn't there some sort of transmission mounted sensor that will be missing
as a result of not using the
> corresponding later model transmission?
No, as far as the EEC IV system is concerned, the speed sensor is only
needed for cruise control or an electronic OD automatic.  If you need (or
want) cruise, they make an adaptor that you can fit onto your existing
speedo drive on the transmission.


> ALso, does it make a difference what
> vehicle the later model transmission is obtained from?  For example, could
I
> use a late 80's truck tranny with a late 80's Mustang 5.0 engine?
Yes, I have a '65 NP 435 transmission with my 5.0.  The electronics don't
know or care about what tranny is there.

Jason
'69 Bronco 5.0 HO EFI, NP435
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD
Happiness is a handful of warm deer guts


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From: Craig.Wallace emotors.com
Subject: Fuel Pump related code
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:15:07 -0500

Hey all.

I changed the fuel filter this weekend on my '94 F150.  Still wasn't the
problem, although it did need changed.  I also ran the diagnostic check and
recevied a code "111" on my KOEO test which means it passed the systems
check for the EEC-IV system.  However, I received a "542" continuous code.
When checking my Hanes manual, this code states "Fuel Pump circuit failure -
PCM to GRD".  Has anybody had any experience with this type of code?  I ran
the diagnostic check three times and received the same codes each time.  I
know this code has to be recent because I changed the oxygen sensor last
week and had the negative battery cable off for about 20 minutes.  This
should have erased any continuous codes stored in memory.  Does this mean
the fuel pumps need replaced?  If so, who has experience with this?  Would
you ever recommend that I do this myself?  Or is this something to leave to
Ford mechanics?  I'm sure they would be more than happy to change them out
for $60 an hour.  But if I can same some $$ and get a good learning
experience at the same time, I'll do it myself.

Fuel pump related problem definitely explains the symptoms I've been having.
No "Check Engine" light coming on and the lack of power and shaking of the
engine during acceleration.  Last night when I noticed this being a fuel
pump problem, I seemed to have a revelation.  I remembered a few weeks ago
(when all was fine and dandy in my truck world) that I was pretty close to
Empty on my front tank and was trying to stretch 'til Friday.  While I was
cruising down the road, my truck started "coughing".  I realized then that I
had probably stretched just a little too far and switched to the back tank,
but didn't think I had harmed anything (stupid me.....will NEVER happen
again).  Didn't even cross my mind 'til last night.  Once again, lessons
learned.

Anybody have similar experience?  And am I going in the right direction
finally?

Thanks,
Craig Wallace
'94 F150 300 I-6
Brighton, Il

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From: Nite4x aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:15:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Sender

where is the sender for the gauge?  last week my gauge slowly crapped out,
like the sender went or wire broke/bad ground.  I want to put a mechanical
gauge on it to make sure I have sufficent pressure before I change the
sender...I could probally get a BW part # for ya today by around 5...

Joe
92 F150 302

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From: "big red" <big_red_59 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure sender...need part number
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:45:33 GMT

Since we're talking about oil pressure guages I've got a question hopefully
someone can help with. It's in an 87 150 w/5.0. New sender, pump,and guage
but it will not show pressure unless cruising above 65-70mph. Under that
speed it just kinda bounces around. It does have good pressure though, I
hooked a 100% mechanical guage up and drove around and the pressure is
there. Any ideas?
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:01:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuck Badger <chuckbadger yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure sender...need part number

Check your wiring and connectors.  Sounds like a bad
connection somewhere as when you hit enough vibration
it sends an intermittent signal to the gauge.

Chuck

--- big red <big_red_59 hotmail.com> wrote:
> Since we're talking about oil pressure guages I've
> got a question hopefully
> someone can help with. It's in an 87 150 w/5.0. New
> sender, pump,and guage
> but it will not show pressure unless cruising above
> 65-70mph. Under that
> speed it just kinda bounces around. It does have
> good pressure though, I
> hooked a 100% mechanical guage up and drove around
> and the pressure is
> there. Any ideas?
>
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From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Re: Propane Power.
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:39:37 -0600



Uncle Les wrote:
Yesterday I was looking at a 6 Cylinder M/Benz with efi etc, the
specification of the owner is that it retain petrol fuel, 'I don't
even
want the air cleaner modified'. The result is that a ring mixer was
installed in the throat of the air intake effectively reducing the
diameter by about 25%. Technically, there is nothing wrong with
this, it
is a safe install, with the minimum of interference to the engine
control systems. Morally, I am outraged !!
This particular example, no way on this or any other earth will it
perform to the max. on petrol or gas. Both systems are now
compromised.

Nephew Phred asks:

A ring mixer?!?! For a negative pressure propane?!?! Is this an Italian
brand? Or is it a hybrid Technocarb sytem? It does not sound like an Impco
system.
Sounds like it uses the venturi created by the air flow to draw the propane
into the air stream...hmm I bet that is a real bugger to set up correctly.

Uncle Les again:

I have seen a 300 cfm impco installed on a 460 cid F350, and it hit 'the
brick wall' at about 2000 rpm -  Oooh Bugger ... It's the same as
pulling a 650 DP holley and replacing it with a 300 2BB and asking 'what
happened to the Zing ?'

Nephew Phred rebuttles:

Now before you go accusing dual fuel systems of being mediocre at best,
remember that the Impco 300 has two very different mixers. One is the older
20 series which will flow up to about 300 cubic inches at best. Then there
is the later 50-70 series Impco 300 which will flow sufficiently for a 460.
I know because there are several 460's loaded with tool boxes, crane, in
some oil fields that I have worked on. If my memory serves me right, I
believe the 300-50-70 flow more cfm than the Impco 425, but I could be wrong
on that one.
I suspect the 460 you experienced most likely had the 20 series mixer
installed (assuming the rest was correctly applied).

Les once more:

Over the last couple of years, having taken a more in-depth study of
LPG
systems, I am amazed at what I have seen being passed of as LPG
Installations.
I will almost guarantee, just to show how much confusion there is in
the
industry, go and talk to 6 installers and I'd be suprised if any two
will agree on any one system.
O.K. so I'm cynical !

Phred once more:

No you are NOT cynical, just come over for a visit here in the US and you
will be convince this is a global point of view.

Sorry that I have not been participating in the list very often  lately,
but work and the University actually has me real busy. I read diligently but
just can't seem to spend enough time doing everything I want.

Have not had much of a chance to attack the brake situation, will try to do
that this week-end along with the wheel bearings.

Take care.

Phred KD5AQB
1995 F-150 4X4 propane or gasoline fed 302, with a 5-speed Mazda and 195K
miles!



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From: "Tim Clevenger" <tclevenger hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Propane Power.
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:03:56 PDT

Hi Fred,

Just to clarify:  is this the same propane you fill your RV cannisters with?
 Could I get a few-hundred-gallon tank set up in my backyard, have it
filled at a bulk rate, and use it to fuel a propane vehicle?  That would be
a major convenience right there.


Thanks.

Tim Clevenger
'85 F-250 460 T-19


>From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'80-96-list ford-trucks.com'" <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Propane Power.
>Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:39:37 -0600
>
>Uncle Les wrote:
> Yesterday I was looking at a 6 Cylinder M/Benz with efi etc, the
> specification of the owner is that it retain petrol fuel, 'I don't
>even
> want the air cleaner modified'. The result is that a ring mixer was
> installed in the throat of the air intake effectively reducing the
> diameter by about 25%. Technically, there is nothing wrong with
>this, it
> is a safe install, with the minimum of interference to the engine
> control systems. Morally, I am outraged !!
> This particular example, no way on this or any other earth will it
> perform to the max. on petrol or gas. Both systems are now
>compromised.
>
>Nephew Phred asks:
>
>A ring mixer?!?! For a negative pressure propane?!?! Is this an Italian
>brand? Or is it a hybrid Technocarb sytem? It does not sound like an Impco
>system.
>  Sounds like it uses the venturi created by the air flow to draw the
>propane
>into the air stream...hmm I bet that is a real bugger to set up correctly.
>
>Uncle Les again:
>
>I have seen a 300 cfm impco installed on a 460 cid F350, and it hit 'the
>brick wall' at about 2000 rpm -  Oooh Bugger ... It's the same as
>pulling a 650 DP holley and replacing it with a 300 2BB and asking 'what
>happened to the Zing ?'
>
>Nephew Phred rebuttles:
>
>  Now before you go accusing dual fuel systems of being mediocre at best,
>remember that the Impco 300 has two very different mixers. One is the older
>20 series which will flow up to about 300 cubic inches at best. Then there
>is the later 50-70 series Impco 300 which will flow sufficiently for a 460.
>I know because there are several 460's loaded with tool boxes, crane, in
>some oil fields that I have worked on. If my memory serves me right, I
>believe the 300-50-70 flow more cfm than the Impco 425, but I could be
>wrong
>on that one.
>  I suspect the 460 you experienced most likely had the 20 series mixer
>installed (assuming the rest was correctly applied).
>
>Les once more:
>
> Over the last couple of years, having taken a more in-depth study of
>LPG
> systems, I am amazed at what I have seen being passed of as LPG
> Installations.
> I will almost guarantee, just to show how much confusion there is in
>the
> industry, go and talk to 6 installers and I'd be suprised if any two
> will agree on any one system.
> O.K. so I'm cynical !
>
>Phred once more:
>
>  No you are NOT cynical, just come over for a visit here in the US and you
>will be convince this is a global point of view.
>
>  Sorry that I have not been participating in the list very often  lately,
>but work and the University actually has me real busy. I read diligently
>but
>just can't seem to spend enough time doing everything I want.
>
>  Have not had much of a chance to attack the brake situation, will try to
>do
>that this week-end along with the wheel bearings.
>
>  Take care.
>
>  Phred KD5AQB
>  1995 F-150 4X4 propane or gasoline fed 302, with a 5-speed Mazda and 195K
>miles!
>
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From: "Mike Miller" <mikemilr blackfoot.net>
Subject: Re: Propane Power.
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:14:24 -0600


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Clevenger" <tclevenger hotmail.com>



: Hi Fred,
:
: Just to clarify:  is this the same propane you fill your RV cannisters
with?
:   Could I get a few-hundred-gallon tank set up in my backyard, have it
: filled at a bulk rate, and use it to fuel a propane vehicle?  That would
be
: a major convenience right there.
:
:
: Thanks.
:
: Tim Clevenger
: '85 F-250 460 T-19

Tim,
I have a 500 gal propane tank that has a wet tap that I can fill RV/BBQ
propane tanks from. It takes forever to fill one!  (like 10 minutes) And you
lose a lot of propane doing it. I have it more for the convenience. The pro
stations have a pump that pumps the propane (liquid) - all mine does is try
to equalize pressure.

mike in Montana


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