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80-96-list Digest Sun, 01 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 207

In This Issue:
Re: valvetrain chatter and losing oil
Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!

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From: "Phil" <imstobu stargate.net>
Subject: Re: valvetrain chatter and losing oil
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:28:32 -0400



> as soon as I started reading your post and the symptoms I wondered if you
> had put a Fram oil filter on ................
> >
> >My 91 F150 with 300 6 cyl started acting up last night. It started off
when
> I started it the valvetrain chattered for a sec till oil pressure was up,
> never did that before. I checked oil level, it was fine. drove it over to
a
> friends and when I started it up to leave same thing for a sec or two then
> fine. about a mile from my house the valve train started to chatter, got
it
> home and no oil on dipstick, but oil was blown out of the valve cover all
> over the engine. I do have a fram oil filter on it, I thought that the
anti
> drain wasn't working and that was the noise on startup


Finally got a chance to work on it yesterday, did an oil change and new
filter, used a motorcraft filter this time and she is running fine other
than a little bit of a leaking valve cover, which it was doing before.
that's what it was, the fram oil filter failed, will never use one again, I
was lucky enough to only be a mile from home.

Phil Beattie
63 Mercury Comet
66 Ford F100
70 Ford F100
91 Ford F150 4x4



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Subject: 460 suggestions
From: craig n eggerman <eggerman juno.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:51:34 EDT

Check for exhaust leaks around the manifolds. These big engines are
famous for breaking the front and rear exhaust manifold bolts. You get a
nice tapping sound until the engine warms up and seals off the exhaust
leak. Sometimes you can feel the warm air coming out when the engine is
cold and just started.
Craig
Eggerman juno.com
Casper,Wyoming
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From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:56:44 -0600

To all brake guru's,

How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302
F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are
applied?

At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an
air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today.

If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that
consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet
up on the dash.

I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in
June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend.
The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we
pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people
it does'nt bother are the boom box cars.

I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the
front end off the ground then the do the actual job.

Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I
doing wrong or neglecting to do?
Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6
months or so.

"Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red."

Phred

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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:06:53 -0600

I have the same problem myself and still haven't fixed it.  I found a web
site that suggested it could be loose wheel bearings, which I'll check for
myself.

If you find/solve the problem, could you post to the list if it doesn't make
it?  I don't mind giving people a bit of warning, but warning the whole city
that I'm stopping is a bit much.
Thanks in advance,
Chip


-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Moreno [mailto:fmoreno dualcurve.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:57 AM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!


To all brake guru's,

How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302
F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are
applied?

At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an
air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today.

If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that
consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet
up on the dash.

I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in
June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend.
The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we
pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people
it does'nt bother are the boom box cars.

I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the
front end off the ground then the do the actual job.

Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I
doing wrong or neglecting to do?
Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6
months or so.

"Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red."

Phred
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From: "Mike Persell" <persell home.com>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:36:35 -0500

I had the same problem until I changed my source of brake pads. I now use
either a Ford factory PREMIUM (they do have an OEM piece of junk) or the
Bendix brand pads. I usually go 3 years between squeeks and then its time to
change them anyway.

These are not cheap but they're quiet, they stop well and they don't screw
up the rotors.

Mike

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[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Moreno
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:57 AM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!


To all brake guru's,

How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302
F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are
applied?

At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an
air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today.

If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that
consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet
up on the dash.

I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in
June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend.
The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we
pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people
it does'nt bother are the boom box cars.

I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the
front end off the ground then the do the actual job.

Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I
doing wrong or neglecting to do?
Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6
months or so.

"Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red."

Phred
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From: "Obert, Scott AT3" <ObertS constellation.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:21:51 -0700

I have that problem too, I used the Napa Premium break pads and a few weeks
after I put them on they started squeaking.  I don't think they are as bad
as yours yet Phred.

Scott

1995 F150 4X4
302 SB

-----Original Message-----
From: Atkinson, Chip [mailto:CAtkinson Circadence.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:07 AM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!


I have the same problem myself and still haven't fixed it.  I found a web
site that suggested it could be loose wheel bearings, which I'll check for
myself.

If you find/solve the problem, could you post to the list if it doesn't make
it?  I don't mind giving people a bit of warning, but warning the whole city
that I'm stopping is a bit much.
Thanks in advance,
Chip


-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Moreno [mailto:fmoreno dualcurve.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:57 AM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!


To all brake guru's,

How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302
F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are
applied?

At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an
air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today.

If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that
consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet
up on the dash.

I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in
June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend.
The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we
pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people
it does'nt bother are the boom box cars.

I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the
front end off the ground then the do the actual job.

Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I
doing wrong or neglecting to do?
Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6
months or so.

"Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red."

Phred
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:00:56 -0500
From: Jim Cannon <jcannon SoftHome.net>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!

Phred-
Have you replaced any of the front brake hardware (springs, retainers,
etc.) or are they all probably original?  If original, I'd suggest you
replace them. Ford sells a kit with all you need.  The heat from braking
makes things that are designed to be springy lose some of their tension.
Jim

At 10:56 02-10-00 -0600, you wrote:
>To all brake guru's,
>
>  How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302
>F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are
>applied?
>
>  At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an
>air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today.
>
>  If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that
>consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet
>up on the dash.
>
>  I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in
>June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend.
>The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we
>pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people
>it does'nt bother are the boom box cars.
>
>  I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the
>front end off the ground then the do the actual job.
>
>  Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I
>doing wrong or neglecting to do?
>  Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6
>months or so.
>
>  "Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red."
>
>  Phred
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Jim Cannon
Houston, TX                            "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton                 and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD              '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8


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From: "Mike Persell" <persell home.com>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:55:22 -0500

What about if the rotors are soft, Jim? I found when I bought my 85 F150 one
rotor was a good one and one was an imported soft one that made a lot of
noise.

New hardware, sluggish calipers, too much proportioning to the front brakes
will also cause excessive wear and noise.

Mike

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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 6:01 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!


Phred-
Have you replaced any of the front brake hardware (springs, retainers,
etc.) or are they all probably original?  If original, I'd suggest you
replace them. Ford sells a kit with all you need.  The heat from braking
makes things that are designed to be springy lose some of their tension.
Jim

At 10:56 02-10-00 -0600, you wrote:
>To all brake guru's,
>
>  How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302
>F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are
>applied?
>
>  At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an
>air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today.
>
>  If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that
>consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet
>up on the dash.
>
>  I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in
>June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions
recommend.
>The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we
>pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only
people
>it does'nt bother are the boom box cars.
>
>  I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get
the
>front end off the ground then the do the actual job.
>
>  Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am
I
>doing wrong or neglecting to do?
>  Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6
>months or so.
>
>  "Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red."
>
>  Phred
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Houston, TX                            "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton                 and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD              '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8

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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:01:04 -0500
From: Jim Cannon <jcannon SoftHome.net>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!!

Soft rotors is one I had not heard of before.

I also clean all of the caliper mounting surfaces really well of rust and
grime.  Follow instructions in the shop manual carefully.  Little things do
make a difference sometimes. My 1980 calls for a light coat of high-temp
grease on the sliding surfaces of the caliper mounting points.
Jim

At 20:55 02-10-00 -0500, Mike wrote:
>What about if the rotors are soft, Jim? I found when I bought my 85 F150 one
>rotor was a good one and one was an imported soft one that made a lot of
>noise.
>
>New hardware, sluggish calipers, too much proportioning to the front brakes ....


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