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the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 80-96-list Digest Sun, 01 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 207 In This Issue: Re: valvetrain chatter and losing oil Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" <imstobu stargate.net>
Subject: Re: valvetrain chatter and losing oil Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:28:32 -0400 > as soon as I started reading your post and the symptoms I wondered if you > had put a Fram oil filter on ................ > > > >My 91 F150 with 300 6 cyl started acting up last night. It started off when > I started it the valvetrain chattered for a sec till oil pressure was up, > never did that before. I checked oil level, it was fine. drove it over to a > friends and when I started it up to leave same thing for a sec or two then > fine. about a mile from my house the valve train started to chatter, got it > home and no oil on dipstick, but oil was blown out of the valve cover all > over the engine. I do have a fram oil filter on it, I thought that the anti > drain wasn't working and that was the noise on startup Finally got a chance to work on it yesterday, did an oil change and new filter, used a motorcraft filter this time and she is running fine other than a little bit of a leaking valve cover, which it was doing before. that's what it was, the fram oil filter failed, will never use one again, I was lucky enough to only be a mile from home. Phil Beattie 63 Mercury Comet 66 Ford F100 70 Ford F100 91 Ford F150 4x4 ------------------------------ Subject: 460 suggestions From: craig n eggerman <eggerman juno.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:51:34 EDT Check for exhaust leaks around the manifolds. These big engines are famous for breaking the front and rear exhaust manifold bolts. You get a nice tapping sound until the engine warms up and seals off the exhaust leak. Sometimes you can feel the warm air coming out when the engine is cold and just started. Craig Eggerman juno.com
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Subject: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:56:44 -0600 To all brake guru's, How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302 F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are applied? At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today. If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet up on the dash. I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend. The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people it does'nt bother are the boom box cars. I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the front end off the ground then the do the actual job. Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I doing wrong or neglecting to do? Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6 months or so. "Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red." Phred ------------------------------ From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:06:53 -0600 I have the same problem myself and still haven't fixed it. I found a web site that suggested it could be loose wheel bearings, which I'll check for myself. If you find/solve the problem, could you post to the list if it doesn't make it? I don't mind giving people a bit of warning, but warning the whole city that I'm stopping is a bit much. Thanks in advance, Chip -----Original Message----- From: Fred Moreno [mailto:fmoreno dualcurve.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:57 AM To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! To all brake guru's, How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302 F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are applied? At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today. If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet up on the dash. I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend. The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people it does'nt bother are the boom box cars. I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the front end off the ground then the do the actual job. Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I doing wrong or neglecting to do? Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6 months or so. "Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red." Phred ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Mike Persell" <persell home.com>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:36:35 -0500 I had the same problem until I changed my source of brake pads. I now use either a Ford factory PREMIUM (they do have an OEM piece of junk) or the Bendix brand pads. I usually go 3 years between squeeks and then its time to change them anyway. These are not cheap but they're quiet, they stop well and they don't screw up the rotors. Mike -----Original Message----- From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Moreno
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:57 AM To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! To all brake guru's, How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302 F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are applied? At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today. If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet up on the dash. I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend. The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people it does'nt bother are the boom box cars. I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the front end off the ground then the do the actual job. Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I doing wrong or neglecting to do? Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6 months or so. "Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red." Phred ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Obert, Scott AT3" <ObertS constellation.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:21:51 -0700 I have that problem too, I used the Napa Premium break pads and a few weeks after I put them on they started squeaking. I don't think they are as bad as yours yet Phred. Scott 1995 F150 4X4 302 SB -----Original Message----- From: Atkinson, Chip [mailto:CAtkinson Circadence.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:07 AM To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! I have the same problem myself and still haven't fixed it. I found a web site that suggested it could be loose wheel bearings, which I'll check for myself. If you find/solve the problem, could you post to the list if it doesn't make it? I don't mind giving people a bit of warning, but warning the whole city that I'm stopping is a bit much. Thanks in advance, Chip -----Original Message----- From: Fred Moreno [mailto:fmoreno dualcurve.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:57 AM To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [80-96-list] Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! To all brake guru's, How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302 F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are applied? At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today. If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet up on the dash. I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend. The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people it does'nt bother are the boom box cars. I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the front end off the ground then the do the actual job. Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I doing wrong or neglecting to do? Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6 months or so. "Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red." Phred ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:00:56 -0500 From: Jim Cannon <jcannon SoftHome.net>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Phred- Have you replaced any of the front brake hardware (springs, retainers, etc.) or are they all probably original? If original, I'd suggest you replace them. Ford sells a kit with all you need. The heat from braking makes things that are designed to be springy lose some of their tension. Jim At 10:56 02-10-00 -0600, you wrote: >To all brake guru's, > > How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302 >F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are >applied? > > At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an >air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today. > > If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that >consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet >up on the dash. > > I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in >June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend. >The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we >pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people >it does'nt bother are the boom box cars. > > I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the >front end off the ground then the do the actual job. > > Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I >doing wrong or neglecting to do? > Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6 >months or so. > > "Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red." > > Phred >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. Jim Cannon Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!" '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8 ------------------------------ From: "Mike Persell" <persell home.com>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:55:22 -0500 What about if the rotors are soft, Jim? I found when I bought my 85 F150 one rotor was a good one and one was an imported soft one that made a lot of noise. New hardware, sluggish calipers, too much proportioning to the front brakes will also cause excessive wear and noise. Mike -----Original Message----- From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Cannon
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 6:01 PM To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Phred- Have you replaced any of the front brake hardware (springs, retainers, etc.) or are they all probably original? If original, I'd suggest you replace them. Ford sells a kit with all you need. The heat from braking makes things that are designed to be springy lose some of their tension. Jim At 10:56 02-10-00 -0600, you wrote: >To all brake guru's, > > How come just about every time I change the front pads on my '95 4X4 302 >F-150, a few weeks later they start to scream/shriek/squeak when they are >applied? > > At first its very faint. As time goes by, it gets to the point of an >air-raid siren. I am just about at that point today. > > If I hit the brakes hard, there's no noise, but one can't drive like that >consistantly, it gets exciting after awhile and spousal unit puts her feet >up on the dash. > > I still have plenty of brake pad left, when I last did the brakes back in >June I used the blue stuff on the pad backing like the directions recommend. >The truck stops just fine, but it scares everyone around us everytime we >pull up to a light. I don't like making heads turn that way. The only people >it does'nt bother are the boom box cars. > > I mean changing the brake pads is a piece of cake, takes longer to get the >front end off the ground then the do the actual job. > > Now it getting to the point where the noise is unbearable again. What am I >doing wrong or neglecting to do? > Thank God for Checker's 2 year warranty plan, mine never last more than 6 >months or so. > > "Turn up the stereo, the light just turned Red." > > Phred >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. Jim Cannon Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!" '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8 ============================================================= To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:01:04 -0500 From: Jim Cannon <jcannon SoftHome.net>
Subject: Re: Sqeaking/screaching brakes!!! Soft rotors is one I had not heard of before. I also clean all of the caliper mounting surfaces really well of rust and grime. Follow instructions in the shop manual carefully. Little things do make a difference sometimes. My 1980 calls for a light coat of high-temp grease on the sliding surfaces of the caliper mounting points. Jim At 20:55 02-10-00 -0500, Mike wrote: >What about if the rotors are soft, Jim? I found when I bought my 85 F150 one >rotor was a good one and one was an imported soft one that made a lot of >noise. > >New hardware, sluggish calipers, too much proportioning to the front brakes .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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