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80-96-list Digest Thu, 28 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 204

In This Issue:
Re: "86 vs "87 info needed
Re: Rattle Noise
Re: F350 opinion
Re: F350 opinion
Brake problem on F-150
Re: Brake problem on F-150
Re: valvetrain chatter and losing oil
About Crew Cabs....
Power Steering pump pully removal.
Re: Power Steering pump pully removal.
Re: Power Steering pump pully removal.

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:17:03 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: "86 vs "87 info needed

I've got an '86 Bronco (5.0L) and am in the same boat. I have found that
just about everything short of sheet metal will swap. There are other minor
differences on the motor as well. I think the alternator changed mounting
positions and the motor went with a serpentine belt. I've put the one piece
oil pan gasket on (sweet) that was listed for '88 and up 5.0L.

Clear as mud ???


Bob


johnhfleming juno.com wrote:

> I have an "86 F150 and am always on the lookout for "goodies" for it. I
> see a lot of adds for stuff for "87-"9? and was wondering what the
> difference was on certain parts. I realize the body changed then (I
> think) but I mean things like "shorty headers", mechanical stuff mostly.
> How about front springs? are they the same?
>
> John
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From: "Obert, Scott AT3" <ObertS constellation.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: Rattle Noise
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:12:44 -0700

Yes, I replaced the pilot bearing and the throwout bearing

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Lane [mailto:Lanero excite.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:21 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Rattle Noise


When you replaced the clutch, did you also check/replace the pilot bearing?
My guess is, if there was a lot of play with the input bearing, maybe the
pilot bearing was also bad.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:08:17 -0700, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

>  Hi guys,
>
>  I have a rattle noise coming from my tranny I think.  I noticed it last
>  week.  It happens when I step on the gas pedal real good in any gear
except
>  1st or reverse.  It's most noticeable when on the freeway in 5th going
over
>  60.  I pulled the transmission out last weekend because it was time to
>  change the clutch anyway.  There was a lot of metal on the drain plug
when I
>  drained the fluid, so I took the top cover off of it and took a look
inside
>  and it was real clean all the metal sludge was only collected on the
drain
>  plug.  Also, the input shaft had a lot of play in it, nobody open on the
>  weekend had an input shaft bearing besides Ford ($90) so I put the tranny
>  back in and went and picked up the bearing yesterday at a transmission
shop
>  for $50.  Put the bearing in today, got the tranny back in, lots less
play
>  in the input shaft now, but it still makes the rattle noise.  It's the
M5OD
>  tranny.  Anybody got any clues??
>
>  Thanks,
>  Scott
>
>  1995 F150 4X4
>  302 SB
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From: Ledski aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:00:25 EDT
Subject: Re: F350 opinion

Paul,

I bought a 94 F350 SC dually with a 460 and 14,000 miles in June this year
and I love it. The only drawback from my point of view is the 8 mpg the 460
gives me. When gas get close to $2 a gallon I just say to myself every mile
"there's a quarter".
But I never expected 20 mpg either.

I can haul a 3000 lb camper and pull a 20ft boat and not have any problem and
still get 7-8 mpg.

I changed oil to Mobil 1 last week and first estimates are a 25% increase in
mpg. From 8 to almost 10. Yahoo!  I don't drive it everyday so that could be
a fluke.

Tim
94 F350
94 EB Explorer




In a message dated 09/28/2000 11:47:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< From: Paul Rozell <prozell yahoo.com>
Subject: F350 opinion

Hi All,
Just wanted to get some opinions on a 1995 F350. I am looking at an F350 W/
crewcab. single rear
wheel with a 351 motor. I do not do alot of heavy duty hauling at this
point. I wanted to see what
the rest of your opinions might be.


thanks,
Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0
 >>

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:32:09 -0400
From: James Oxley <luxjo thecore.com>
Subject: Re: F350 opinion

Ledski aol.com wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> I bought a 94 F350 SC dually with a 460 and 14,000 miles in June this year
> and I love it. The only drawback from my point of view is the 8 mpg the 460
> gives me. When gas get close to $2 a gallon I just say to myself every mile
> "there's a quarter".
> But I never expected 20 mpg either.
 > I can haul a 3000 lb camper and pull a 20ft boat and not have any
problem and
> still get 7-8 mpg.
>
> I changed oil to Mobil 1 last week and first estimates are a 25% increase in
> mpg. From 8 to almost 10. Yahoo!  I don't drive it everyday so that could be
> a fluke.

 I have a 95 250 SC long bed with a 460. I get close to 10 MPG around
town, 12.5 on the highway and 7 to 8.5 towing 8600 lbs (highway). I did
not notice any change in milage from going to mobil 1. i have a set of
doug thorley's (headers and Y-pipe) on the way and I'm hoping to maybe
pull a 1/2 MPG out of them, maybe evena MPG omn the highway. I'm sure
I'm hoping for the world :-)

> Tim
> 94 F350
> 94 EB Explorer
>
> In a message dated 09/28/2000 11:47:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> listar ford-trucks.com writes:
>
> << From: Paul Rozell <prozell yahoo.com>
>  Subject: F350 opinion
>
>  Hi All,
>  Just wanted to get some opinions on a 1995 F350. I am looking at an F350 W/
> crewcab. single rear
>  wheel with a 351 motor. I do not do alot of heavy duty hauling at this
> point. I wanted to see what
>  the rest of your opinions might be.
>

 If you are not doing major hauling/towing, I don't see the need for a
350. If you are doing major towing/hauling, then I don't think the 351
will have enough snort. I'd get a 351 in a 150, but for amjor work ina
250/350, I'd prob go powerstroke if I had to do it again. Just for info,
the 250's ride 10 times better than the 350's.

                                 OX

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:22:47 -0500
From: Chuck Biggs <biggs flash.net>
Subject: Brake problem on F-150

I changed the front brake pads on my 1990 F-150 several months ago and ever since, when I brake and
the truck is almost stopped, I hear a grinding-moaning sound from the front wheels.  When I installed
the new pads I had the disks turned and used the "stickum" and lubricant as recommended by the pad
manufacturer.  This seems like an easy problem to find but I have been into the front wheels several
times and I cannot locate the cause of the noise.  Anyone out there ever have a similar problem?  The
replacement inside pads do not have the little round clip that snaps into the piston like some of the
newer model 150's have.  Could this cause the problem you think?

TIA

Chuck


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From: "Atkinson, Chip" <CAtkinson Circadence.com>
Subject: Re: Brake problem on F-150
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:45:22 -0600

Whenever I have heard the grinding sound it meant that there wass metal to
metal contact.  Perhaps there is a loose spring or a rock stuck in the pads.
Do you think that the pads could be going past the turned area on the
rotors?  You might hear the grinding sound if the pads are rubbing on the
unsurfaced area of the rotors.

Chip



-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Biggs [mailto:biggs flash.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 2:23 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Brake problem on F-150


I changed the front brake pads on my 1990 F-150 several months ago and ever
since, when I brake and
the truck is almost stopped, I hear a grinding-moaning sound from the front
wheels.  When I installed
the new pads I had the disks turned and used the "stickum" and lubricant as
recommended by the pad
manufacturer.  This seems like an easy problem to find but I have been into
the front wheels several
times and I cannot locate the cause of the noise.  Anyone out there ever
have a similar problem?  The
replacement inside pads do not have the little round clip that snaps into
the piston like some of the
newer model 150's have.  Could this cause the problem you think?

TIA

Chuck

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From: "Phil" <imstobu stargate.net>
Subject: Re: valvetrain chatter and losing oil
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:10:45 -0400



> I agree that the Fram was a bad move, but I also think you're looking in
the
> right direction when considering the PCV.  I've seen high crankcase
pressure
> on many Ch ^y's due to clogged PCV systems.  (Bowtie PCV's are poorly
> constructed, however, especially around the throttle body).  Usually a
leak
> such as a poorly sealed valve cover won't lose as much oil as you mention
> unless there is also high pressure involved, such as loss of crankcase
> ventilation.
>

I haven't had a chance yet to work on it yet but was wondering if the
catalytic converter was clogging up, would that cause the oil to blow out? I
failed emissions, its down on power, usually stalls trying to pull out of
the driveway,  and the air pump isn't working right, although was hooked up
for emissions test. how do you tell if one is bad?

Phil Beattie
66 F100
70 F100
91 F150 4x4



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From: "Dave Harmier" <dharmier pdq.net>
Subject: About Crew Cabs....
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:12:57 -0500

I absolutely LOVE the cab of my Beast. (Only wish the rear doors had power
locks too).
My Beast is a Diesel, so my 351 Experience comes from Dads 150. Pretty good
power. MISERABLE mileage. If it had to pull my Beast around, I'd be lucky
to see 8 mpg.

To be very fair, Dads truck could (I firmly believe) use a new high flow
cat. It doesn't flash engine light, so I haven't tried to pull codes. There
COULD be 16-18 mpg hiding in there somewhere, but he sees 10-11.

Dave H.
Houston
90 F-350 Crew Diesel / E4OD / Service Body / Tommy Lift.... The BEAST!
91 F-150 SC LWB 5.8 / E4OD / Crossbed toolbox / Tommy Lift.... Dads
92 F-150 SC SWB 5.0 / E4OD / Crossbed toolbox.... my former workhorse...
Sisters
80 C#e?y El Camino 5.7 / 200R4 / BLACK as Night paint / approx. 400 hp...
Stress Relief
87 Yamaha FJ 1200.... Reality Bender

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From: MRStace84 aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:53:38 EDT
Subject: Power Steering pump pully removal.

Hello List

Can someone tell me what kind of tool is required to remove the pully on a
power steering pump?  And if it is something that is easy to find and
purchase? The pump I'am going to be working on is off my 84 F150 with a 300.

Thanks,
Stacy Fisher
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:31:47 -0400
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Power Steering pump pully removal.

At 08:53 AM 9/29/00, you wrote:
>Hello List
>
>Can someone tell me what kind of tool is required to remove the pully on a
>power steering pump?  And if it is something that is easy to find and
>purchase? The pump I'am going to be working on is off my 84 F150 with a 300.

NAPA or any decent auto parts store sells a tool for this.  Ask if
they rent/loan it first because it usually comes in a kit for pulley,
steering wheel and balancer removal/installation and will run $60.

Ken



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From: slikness mindspring.com
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:33:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Power Steering pump pully removal.


> Hello List
Can someone tell me what kind of tool is required to remove the pully on a power steering pump?  And if it is something that is easy to find and purchase? The pump I'am going to be working on is off my 84 F150 with a 300.<

Most local mechanics also have this tool and are willing to pull it.  One local wanted $15, but my regular mechanic did it for nothing.  Takes about 2 minutes.  When you get your new pump, there is usually a tool included to press the pulley back on.  If not, let me know, I've got a couple laying around the garage. ....


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