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80-96-list Digest Thu, 21 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 198

In This Issue:
Re: Haynes manual
body lift and suspension lifts.
Re: Front Hubs
Re: body lift and suspension lifts.
Re: body lift and suspension lifts.
Bushing
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From: "big red" <big_red_59 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Haynes manual
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:27:43 GMT

I don't know the answer to your question, but I too have the haynes and
there is no mention that I saw of the hubs I have on my 87. I have manual
hubs but not the normal bolt on ones. Mine are kinda cheesy if you ask me.
You unbolt the wheel, take off a couple cheap washer type locks put onto the
wheel studs and off comes the whole hub assembly. One big piece. Haven't had
any problems with them thankfully. Any one know if when I do need to replace
them if I can convert to the normal bolt on style? Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:37:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Rozell <prozell yahoo.com>
Subject: body lift and suspension lifts.

Hey all,
I was wondering if anyone on the list had lifted their trucks. Either with a body lift or a
suspension lift. I have been looking into the options and am curious as to ways to cut cost. First
a list of what I have been looking at.

1. I have found a suspension lift that is springs for the front and a block for the rear. it is
supposed to lift the truck 2 inches. I had someone tell me to use f250 springs up front to lift
it??? Since the kits I have looked at are springs is these a viable alternative???

2. body lifts, I have seen a body lift that raises the body 3 inches, prices run from $89 bucks to
$111 bucks. Has any one bought one of the body lift kits????

I own a 96 F150 SC w/ 5.0

Thanks in advance,
Paul


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From: Brazzadog aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:29:59 EDT
Subject: Re: Front Hubs

The first time I repacked the front bearings on my pickup, I figured more is
better and stuffed the hub cavity full of wheel bearing grease.  The next
time I needed 4 wheel drive I got a surprise.  When I locked the hubs, the
heavy grease prevented the springs from fully engaging the clutch ring.  The
front axle would begin to pull and then the clutch ring would slip and there
was this awful slamming in the front axle.  I'll spare you all the worry that
caused.

Later a mechanic showed me that the moving parts of the hub should have only
a light weight grease so they are free enough to do their job.  Now I pack
the bearings full and leave it at that.  I use a compatible white grease on
the moving parts in the hub.

Ben Williams
'71 Wagoneer
'78 F-250 4x4
'88 Bronco

>  Last Saturday I pulled the hub/rotors off my '89
>  fullsize Bronco to have the rotors turned. I cleaned
>  up all the bearing parts and repacked the bearings. I
>  tried to put as much grease back into the hubs as I
>  had cleaned out and followed the manual to the letter,
>  but whenever I do something for the first time I aways
>  have a nagging doubt that I didn't do something right
>  (remember your very first oil change?). What's the
>  rule of thumb for the quantity of grease that should
>  go back into these 4x4 hubs after they're cleaned out?
>  The two together used about 2/3 to 3/4 of a standard
>  size grease tube. There's no funny noises coming from
>  the hubs and they ride great, but if somebody could
>  reassure me that my wheels won't catch on fire I'd
>  appreciate it :)




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From: "ideasusr" <ideasusr home.com>
Subject: Re: body lift and suspension lifts.
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:21:38 -0500

I too have checking into lifting my 93' F-150 SC, but I have heard so many
mixed stories. All I would like to do is take care of the "rake" and be able
to fit 33" tires on my truck and not have to worry about changing gears or
driveshaft angles. As it stand now my truck runs like an elephant on a
Stairmaster, any other hints to boost its performance would be greatly
appreciated along with any info on lifting it.

Thanks

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From: "Paul Rozell" <prozell yahoo.com>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:37 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] body lift and suspension lifts.


> Hey all,
> I was wondering if anyone on the list had lifted their trucks. Either with
a body lift or a
> suspension lift. I have been looking into the options and am curious as to
ways to cut cost. First
> a list of what I have been looking at.
>
> 1. I have found a suspension lift that is springs for the front and a
block for the rear. it is
> supposed to lift the truck 2 inches. I had someone tell me to use f250
springs up front to lift
> it??? Since the kits I have looked at are springs is these a viable
alternative???
>
> 2. body lifts, I have seen a body lift that raises the body 3 inches,
prices run from $89 bucks to
> $111 bucks. Has any one bought one of the body lift kits????
>
> I own a 96 F150 SC w/ 5.0
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Paul
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:34:47 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: body lift and suspension lifts.

Body lifts will raise the body up off of the frame. Allowing for larger tires to
clear.
Good:
1. Inexpensive, around $100 or less.

Bad:
1. The bumpers are attached to the frame so you'll end up with gaps between the
bumper and body. When you get over 2" of lift, you'll need to move the fan
shroud, transmission shift linkage, and possibly more.

2. The front body mount on the passenger side is under the battery box. Prepare
the torch.

Suspension lifts allow for the bigger tires as well. They can get kind of
spendy, from $300 and up.

Good:
1. The body and frame remain intact. The suspension does all the moving.
2. You don't end up with the gaps between the body and the bumpers.
3. A 2" or 4" lift will usually allow for 33" tires.


Bad:
1. lifts over 6" and over, you'll have to look at driveline clearance (front)
and pinion angle (rear). The E4OD transmissions are very long. If you have one
of these and a short wheel base, go with a 4" or less lift.  The drive line is
very short.


Overall.

If you go with larger tires, you will realize a gearing reduction depending on
the size you go to. If you have an automatic, the reduction will be more
noticeable. The standard transmissions are a little more forgiving. (1st gears
are night and day, auto around 2.5 to 1, stick around 5.5 to 1)

Regardless of the manner of lift, you'll notice the bigger meats will eat at the
power band. If you think it's an elephant now, wait 'til you go 33s with the
stock gears. BTDT


Bob


ideasusr wrote:

> I too have checking into lifting my 93' F-150 SC, but I have heard so many
> mixed stories. All I would like to do is take care of the "rake" and be able
> to fit 33" tires on my truck and not have to worry about changing gears or
> driveshaft angles. As it stand now my truck runs like an elephant on a
> Stairmaster, any other hints to boost its performance would be greatly
> appreciated along with any info on lifting it.
>
> Thanks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Rozell" <prozell yahoo.com>
> To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:37 PM
> Subject: [80-96-list] body lift and suspension lifts.
>
> > Hey all,
> > I was wondering if anyone on the list had lifted their trucks. Either with
> a body lift or a
> > suspension lift. I have been looking into the options and am curious as to
> ways to cut cost. First
> > a list of what I have been looking at.
> >
> > 1. I have found a suspension lift that is springs for the front and a
> block for the rear. it is
> > supposed to lift the truck 2 inches. I had someone tell me to use f250
> springs up front to lift
> > it??? Since the kits I have looked at are springs is these a viable
> alternative???
> >
> > 2. body lifts, I have seen a body lift that raises the body 3 inches,
> prices run from $89 bucks to
> > $111 bucks. Has any one bought one of the body lift kits????
> >
> > I own a 96 F150 SC w/ 5.0
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Paul
> >
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From: SOBFROGG webtv.net (Scott Mummery)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:09:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Bushing

I am about to replace all the bushings in the truck. Does anybody have
any suggestions to make this easier.
Thanks
Scott


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Subject: Fw: What Not To Say To A Police Officer
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:47:04 -0700


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> >WHAT NOT TO SAY TO A POLICE OFFICER! ~~~
> > >> > >
> > >> > >   1. I can't reach my license unless you hold my beer.  (OK in
> Texas)
> > >> > >   2. Sorry, Officer, I didn't realize my radar detector wasn't
> > plugged
> > >> in.
> > >> > >   3.Aren't you the guy from the Village People?
> > >> > >   4. Hey, you must've been doin' about 125 mph to keep up with
me.
> > >Good
> > >> > > job!
> > >> > >   5. Are You Andy or Barney?
> > >> > >   6. I thought you had to be in relatively good physical
condition
> to
> > >be
> > >> a
> > >> > > police officer.
> > >> > >   7. You're not gonna check the trunk, are you?
> > >> > >   8. I pay your salary!
> > >> > >   9. Gee, Officer! That's terrific. The last officer only gave me
a
> > >> > > warning,
> > >> > > too!
> > >> > >  10. Do you know why you pulled me over? Okay, just so one of us
> > does.
> > >> > >  11. I was trying to keep up with traffic. Yes, I know there are
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> > >> other
> > >> > > cars around.         That's how far ahead of me they are.
> > >> > >  12. When the Officer says "Gee Son....Your eyes look red, have
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> > >been
> > >> > > drinking?" You probably shouldn't respond with,"Gee Officer your
> eyes
> > >> look
> > >> > > glazed, have
> > >> > >  you been eating doughnuts?"
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >  >  >  >>> > > > Forward this to at least 11 people and see
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> > >> > > comes
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> > >
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From: "big red" <big_red_59 hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: body lift and suspension lifts.
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 05:25:04 GMT

I put a 3" body lift in my 87 F-150 and just bought a 4" suspension kit that
I haven't had time to put in yet. The body lift is not bought but made from
3" round steel stock that a buddy cut and milled for me. To get rid of the
bumper gap on the rear I just drilled new holes higher on the frame and the
front I used a torch to cut out about a 1" high by 1-1" long chunk off
the bottom of the frame since the bumper curves underneath the frame and
attached accordingly.Had to make a small extension for the auto tranny
linkage and some heating and bending of the 4x shifter to make it work
correctly. The fan shroud had to be cut off on the bottom to clear the fan.
The gas tank filler tubes may or may not need to be extended. I didn't have
to do them to mine until I replaced one of the tanks and then it wouldn't
reach, but just that one. Other than that nothing to the whole deal aside
from some cut and bruised hands. If you do put a lift in and bigger tires
you will want to regear it also. I've got 32's now w he 5.0 c-6 setup and
she needs gears as is. Can't wait to see how bad it is when I put 36's on
until I get to gearing it.

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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:19:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roger Lane <Lanero excite.com>
Subject: Re: Bushing

Pay someone else to do it?

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:09:26 -0500 (CDT), 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

>  I am about to replace all the bushings in the truck. Does anybody have
>  any suggestions to make this easier.
>  Thanks
>  Scott


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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:06:32 -0400
From: Shawn Clemons <sclemons vt.edu>
Subject: Re: body lift and suspension lifts.

I've got a 4" Cepek lift with Superlift extended radius arms. I started out
with the 'el cheapo' lift -- 2.5" block in the back, 4" coils up front, 4"
pivot drop bracket and 4" radius arm drop bracket -- and I'll tell ya, it
sucked. No way around it, on-road driveability - especially in the city -
was absolutely horrible. Lots of bump steer, problems with vague steering
response, huge cross-caster alignment probs, etc. I put the Superlift
extended arms on, and the ride improved 200%. It's better than stock now.

Body lifts are cheap, but not worth the trouble, IMHO. It leaves a crappy
looking gap between the body and frame. Dont go more than 2" if you decide
this route. You're also looking at probs with fuel filler tubes, fan
shroud, tranny and xfer case linkages, etc, etc. Not to mention a couple of
days to install (removing body bushings SUCKS)

You can do the 2" coil lift that you're describing, but make sure that it
comes with new caster/camber bushings to correct the alignment.

Also, it's going to run like a dog if you've got 3.55 gears and are
planning a 33" or larger tire (which will *almost* fit stock, BTW). Dont
forget to recalibrate your speedometer, too.

>1. I have found a suspension lift that is springs for the front and a
block for the rear. it is
>supposed to lift the truck 2 inches. I had someone tell me to use f250
springs up front to lift
>it??? Since the kits I have looked at are springs is these a viable ....

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