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80-96-list Digest Sat, 02 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 183

In This Issue:
Re: F150 Fuel Problem
Re: clattering 300 at startup?
Re: F150 Fuel Problem
Re: clattering 300 at startup?
Re: water injection
fuel pump relay
Re: fuel pump relay
Re: fuel pump relay

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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 17:12:08 -0700
Subject: Wheel Lug Nut Torge Specs
From: Joan and Walt Posluszny <redstone home.com>

Can anyone tell me the wheel Lug Nut torque spec for a 1985 F150 4x4 with
the factory mag wheels.  Thanks  Walt


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From: "John S. Gaythorpe" <jsg tiac.net>
Subject: Re: F150 Fuel Problem
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:33:12 -0400

Any help would be appreciated.

I had my F150 (1989 4WD, 351W) on the jack stands, replacing the Power
Steering,
then the Tie Rods (don't ask!), Drag Link etc, Then the Rotors, one hub,
new
bearings, two warn hubs, recon rotors, then dropped it. Turned it over to
fill the power steering pump, it started I turned it off, filled the pump,
turned it over, filled the pump. Then tried to start it. Will not start!
Does not seem to be getting any gas. I had previously replaced the tank and
low pressure pump, which has been working fine.

Got a relay. Got a high pressure pump, new filter. Put the filter in, no
gas.

Cut out ( I mean "cut-out" ) the old high pressure pump. Reset the fuel cut
out, turned it over, no gas. Okay now to the little reservoir. Says do not
open on it. But Haynes manual and autoparts store say there is a filter in
there. Have to "cut it" out too and then use a vice to open it, no filter!
Will try to replace that tomorrow.

Question, is it the low pressure pump, which is new and in the tank
(requires drop of tank! Argh!) The unit I just pulled, the little
reservoir,
or the electrics?

Can't find a fuse labeled for the fuel pump(s)

I tried to jump the EFI port under the hood to run the pumps and heard
nothing.


Thoughts?

John.


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From: "Nathan Carlson" <hummerluvver hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: clattering 300 at startup?
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 20:32:21 EDT

I'm about to roll over 254k on my 300, and the only time I've had it clatter
on me at startup was a result of being overdue for an oil change.
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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:29:27 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: F150 Fuel Problem

How hard did you DROP it? There is a fuel pump shut off that opens the circuit
to the fuel pump in case of a collision, to avoid a fire. I've seen these things
tripped by potholes in the road. On my '86 is on the transmission hump,
passenger side. A little black box with a white switch on top of it. On the
missus '92 it is located behind the passenger side kick panel, same black box,
but with a red switch top on it.

If you have tripped this circuit, you have killed your fuel pump. All it takes
is a push of that plunger to reset it. You may have to trip the switch (pull up
on the plunger) and then reset it. BTDT

Bob


"John S. Gaythorpe" wrote:

>  Any help would be appreciated.
>
>  I had my F150 (1989 4WD, 351W) on the jack stands, replacing the Power
> Steering,
>  then the Tie Rods (don't ask!), Drag Link etc, Then the Rotors, one hub,
> new
>  bearings, two warn hubs, recon rotors, then dropped it. Turned it over to
>  fill the power steering pump, it started I turned it off, filled the pump,
>  turned it over, filled the pump. Then tried to start it. Will not start!
>  Does not seem to be getting any gas. I had previously replaced the tank and
>  low pressure pump, which has been working fine.
>
>  Got a relay. Got a high pressure pump, new filter. Put the filter in, no
>  gas.
>
>  Cut out ( I mean "cut-out" ) the old high pressure pump. Reset the fuel cut
>  out, turned it over, no gas. Okay now to the little reservoir. Says do not
>  open on it. But Haynes manual and autoparts store say there is a filter in
>  there. Have to "cut it" out too and then use a vice to open it, no filter!
>  Will try to replace that tomorrow.
>
>  Question, is it the low pressure pump, which is new and in the tank
>  (requires drop of tank! Argh!) The unit I just pulled, the little
> reservoir,
>  or the electrics?
>
>  Can't find a fuse labeled for the fuel pump(s)
>
>  I tried to jump the EFI port under the hood to run the pumps and heard
>  nothing.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> John.
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From: "Stephen Hansen" <shansen ndak.net>
Subject: Re: clattering 300 at startup?
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:49:54 -0500


To me it sounds like the Valve lifters are getting worn, and lose the preload pressure after setting. When I worked on the head of my 250-6 in a ford Maverick, the first start sounded like that, then the lifters filled and the valves set the adjustment and it was OK. That's what I'd check
Steve


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Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 11:54:37 -0500
From: Jim Cannon <jcannon SoftHome.net>
Subject: Re: water injection

Sam-
As I understand it, you plan to use the water injection at higher load (say
half- to full-throttle) to reduce detonation? If so, then I suspect you
will not have the manifold vacuum that you need to drive the old vacuum
wiper motor.  All of the old cars I ever had with vacuum wipers were pain
in this area.  You'd step on the gas hard, in the rain, and your wipers
would stop. In your case, the more you need the wiper motor for water
injection, the less you'll get. Unless I'm missing something, you'd better
re-think this one.

Jim Cannon
Houston TX

At 17:26 01-09-00 -0500, Sam Means shared the following brilliant plan:
<snip>
>Now, my focus is on building my own apparatus, consisting of a vacuum
>windshield wiper motor from a '57 ford driving a positive displacement
>linear pump constructed from an air actuator cylinder and a couple of
>in-line check valves. Finding the vacuum motor was not easy. Those things
>are getting scarce as hen's teeth. Since the flow volume will be very small,
>the pump stroke can be very short. The beauty of the vacuum motor is it
>doesn't hurt it if it stalls,and it positively stops when the engine is
>stopped. I have yet to test it, but I believe it has enough force to drive a
>small diameter cylinder pump. I'm going to try a 7/16 inch bore to begin.
>Further effort will come after a couple of weeks of vacation in cool weather

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX                            "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton                 and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD              '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8


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From: "Phil" <imstobu stargate.net>
Subject: fuel pump relay
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:20:59 -0400


I have been having problems with my fuel pump relay on my 91 F150. I had to replace it in march because it stayed on even with the truck off. It worked fine until the other day, the new one stayed on, when I hit the relay it shuts off. I replaced it with a new one and when I hooked up the battery it kicked the fuel pump on. I'm assuming the new relay is bad, but was wondering what is causing them to go bad so fast. Any suggestions?

Phil Beattie
66 F100
70 F100
91 F150 4x4


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From: "Phil" <imstobu stargate.net>
Subject: Re: fuel pump relay
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:47:43 -0400

>
> I have been having problems with my fuel pump relay on my 91 F150. I had
to replace it in march because it stayed on even with the truck off. It
worked fine until the other day, the new one stayed on, when I hit the relay
it shuts off. I replaced it with a new one and when I hooked up the battery
it kicked the fuel pump on. I'm assuming the new relay is bad, but was
wondering what is causing them to go bad so fast. Any suggestions?
>

I just took another look at the fuel pump relay, it is not the relay,
something else is staying on and causes the relay to click on when the truck
is off. Any suggestions on where to look, I'm at a loss at the moment.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
70 F100
91 F150 4x4



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Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:33:21 -0500
From: Jim Cannon <jcannon SoftHome.net>
Subject: Re: fuel pump relay

At 15:47 03-09-00 -0400, you wrote:
>I just took another look at the fuel pump relay, it is not the relay,
>something else is staying on and causes the relay to click on when the truck
>is off. Any suggestions on where to look, I'm at a loss at the moment.

Ignition switch? (I'd guess that is where relay gets its signal
from.)  I'll warn you: I do not own a new enough truck to know for sure,
I'm just guessing.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX                            "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton                 and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD              '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8


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