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80-96-list Digest Fri, 01 Sep 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 182

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Re: US Propane Motor Fuel  Prices
water injection
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clattering 300 at startup?
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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:25:56 EDT
Subject: Re: US Propane Motor Fuel  Prices

On the water injection front,
I have an associate that has installed an injection system on his
supercharged Lightning w 351. His has helped his detonation problem
immensely. I may be able to get some specs and a parts list from him.


Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html
ICQ#58060858

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From: "Sam Means" <smeans inetport.com>
Subject: water injection
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:26:47 -0500

Since I saw my name mentioned regarding water injection, I may as well
suffer the embarrassment and report my progress, or lack thereof.
I first tried aftermarket windshield washer pumps, two of which failed after
only a minute or so of operation. For the second, I had a bleed back to the
tank to prevent excessive pressure for the pump, but the pump failed anyway.
After direct discussion with Les (down under), I decided to try compressed
air which had not occurred to me. A search for 12v solenoid valves was
disappointing in that the only one I could find was for nitrous injection
for about $75.00.  These valves will not tolerate lengthy duty so did not
fit the bill,and the price was more than I wanted to pay. Commercial valves
are available but too costly. I searched through the stack of vacuum
operated heater control valves at the local Autozone store, and picked one
that could be adapted to my use with a lot of upsizing to the valve,and then
downsizing back to my orifice body. The valve worked a couple of times, then
failed to close after vacuum was removed. Can't have this. Apparently it
couldn't function with a pressure 25 PSI.
Now, my focus is on building my own apparatus, consisting of a vacuum
windshield wiper motor from a '57 ford driving a positive displacement
linear pump constructed from an air actuator cylinder and a couple of
in-line check valves. Finding the vacuum motor was not easy. Those things
are getting scarce as hen's teeth. Since the flow volume will be very small,
the pump stroke can be very short. The beauty of the vacuum motor is it
doesn't hurt it if it stalls,and it positively stops when the engine is
stopped. I have yet to test it, but I believe it has enough force to drive a
small diameter cylinder pump. I'm going to try a 7/16 inch bore to begin.
Further effort will come after a couple of weeks of vacation in cool weather
.
By the way, I found a set of six fogging nozzles at the local Furrows lumber
and hardware. These little fellows put out a beautiful swirling mist
designed to provide either outdoor cooling or mist watering of plants. They
can be operated in parallel to get the desired flow rate. I also constructed
my water tank using 4 inch schedule 40 PVC pipe with end caps glued on. The
end caps are thick enough that they  can be tapped for threaded inlet and
outlet fittings. Using plastic threaded fittings glued in, the tank is quite
sturdy
More later if anybody is interested and if it my results merit discussion.
Sam


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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Derek Whiteside <derekw rocketmail.com>
Subject: clattering 300 at startup?

My 92 F150 w/ 300-6 makes an awful racket at startup, especially when
it hasn't run for a day or so. I'm pretty sure it has to do with a lack
of oil, probably up in the head. It goes away after 3-6 seconds, at the
same time the oil pressure guage starts climbing. Is this common? Could
it be related to my oil filter (and anti-drainback valve)? Can I do
anything about it?

Thanks,

Derek Whiteside
derekw rocketmail.com

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From: "Sam Means" <smeans inetport.com>
Subject: water injection
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:26:47 -0500

Since I saw my name mentioned regarding water injection, I may as well
suffer the embarrassment and report my progress, or lack thereof.
I first tried aftermarket windshield washer pumps, two of which failed after
only a minute or so of operation. For the second, I had a bleed back to the
tank to prevent excessive pressure for the pump, but the pump failed anyway.
After direct discussion with Les (down under), I decided to try compressed
air which had not occurred to me. A search for 12v solenoid valves was
disappointing in that the only one I could find was for nitrous injection
for about $75.00.  These valves will not tolerate lengthy duty so did not
fit the bill,and the price was more than I wanted to pay. Commercial valves
are available but too costly. I searched through the stack of vacuum
operated heater control valves at the local Autozone store, and picked one
that could be adapted to my use with a lot of upsizing to the valve,and then
downsizing back to my orifice body. The valve worked a couple of times, then
failed to close after vacuum was removed. Can't have this. Apparently it
couldn't function with a pressure 25 PSI.
Now, my focus is on building my own apparatus, consisting of a vacuum
windshield wiper motor from a '57 ford driving a positive displacement
linear pump constructed from an air actuator cylinder and a couple of
in-line check valves. Finding the vacuum motor was not easy. Those things
are getting scarce as hen's teeth. Since the flow volume will be very small,
the pump stroke can be very short. The beauty of the vacuum motor is it
doesn't hurt it if it stalls,and it positively stops when the engine is
stopped. I have yet to test it, but I believe it has enough force to drive a
small diameter cylinder pump. I'm going to try a 7/16 inch bore to begin.
Further effort will come after a couple of weeks of vacation in cool weather
.
By the way, I found a set of six fogging nozzles at the local Furrows lumber
and hardware. These little fellows put out a beautiful swirling mist
designed to provide either outdoor cooling or mist watering of plants. They
can be operated in parallel to get the desired flow rate. I also constructed
my water tank using 4 inch schedule 40 PVC pipe with end caps glued on. The
end caps are thick enough that they  can be tapped for threaded inlet and
outlet fittings. Using plastic threaded fittings glued in, the tank is quite
sturdy
More later if anybody is interested and if it my results merit discussion.
Sam

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Derek Whiteside <derekw rocketmail.com>
Subject: clattering 300 at startup?

My 92 F150 w/ 300-6 makes an awful racket at startup, especially when
it hasn't run for a day or so. I'm pretty sure it has to do with a lack
of oil, probably up in the head. It goes away after 3-6 seconds, at the
same time the oil pressure guage starts climbing. Is this common? Could
it be related to my oil filter (and anti-drainback valve)? Can I do
anything about it?

Thanks,

Derek Whiteside
derekw rocketmail.com

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From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:38:22 EDT
Subject: Re: clattering 300 at startup?

How many miles on this engine?  What weight and brand of motor oil do you use
and whose make of oil filter?  Have you changed your oil  at  regular
intervals? So many questions....
From my experience, a well maintained 300 I6 normally is relatively quiet
when first started.  Any 300 owners out there with a different experience?

Alex

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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 16:23:12 -0700
From: chuck sanborn <slammer deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: clattering 300 at startup?

At 11:38 AM 9/2/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >From my experience, a well maintained 300 I6 normally is relatively quiet
>when first started.  Any 300 owners out there with a different experience?

Nope...130K on mine and it's as quiet as the proverbial church mouse :-)
Little exhaust gasket tick but other than that, quiet.
Sound like Derek may have a bleed down problem and/or partially plugged
oil pump pick-up screen in which case it outta be checked.
What happens if you remove the oil filter and crank the motor (coil disabled of
course).  Does the oil dribble or gush out?
Chuck


Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger
FAX 1-310-822-6815


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