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80-96-list Digest Thu, 31 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 181

In This Issue:
Re: Timing Computers
US Propane Motor Fuel  Prices
Re: US Propane Motor Fuel  Prices

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From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Re: Timing Computers
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:40:58 -0600

Moe Asked:

Is anybody using a MSD prog. timing computer? #8981(or any
other aftermarket model in the $200 range)


Phred replies;

I personally do not use this function, but I have tested hundreds of those
thingys when I used to be an MSD production line tech (years ago). I do know
the customer service guys and can put you in touch with them directly if you
would like.
You will have better success at picking their brains than mine because they
are all racers. I just enjoy driving my 70 mile commute everyday in my '95
F-150 4X4 5.0L, 5-speed with Digital MSD 6 and 31's BFG AT all the way
around.
Contact me directly if you wish.

Keep rolling along.

Phred

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From: Fred Moreno <fmoreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: US Propane Motor Fuel  Prices
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:38:05 -0600

Uncle Les from the Land Down Under asked:

Phred,
Is the price you are quoting a 'special deal' ? or has the
differential
increased between Propane & Petrol prices ?
Down here the average Sydney price is $1.00 per litre for petrol and
50.0 cents per litre for Propane. Love it or hate it, that's
reality.
Ford have just released a 100% propane fuelled only car, not a
conversion, but assembled on the production line.

BTW: Did you get the water injection to work?

His Nephew replies;

That price of $1.08 per gallon of propane for motor fuel (as of this
morning) is typical for your normal customer, my "Good-Ol-Boy special price"
is considerably lower... In New Mexico from what I have seen, $ 1.00 was
typical.

As for the 100% propane fuelled car, I am curious as to what system they
are using.
Have you seen one? Is it an IMPCO system? Or is it a "Fuel Injection"
system?
If its a gaseous fuel injection system with some device called a
"compuvalve", beware.

No Les I did not get the water injection going on my 302. I have the water
reservoir with windshield washer pump (From a Che*y truck no less).  I think
the last thing I was looking for was a vacuum control valve and figuring out
if I was going to drill & tap the intake manifold or just plumb the water
line into a vacuum port. Hmmm, its been awhile. And I could of really used
it on my recent trip to Dallas.
How is your system doing? Can you share some of the installation details.

Got to go for now, keep your wheels spinning.

Phred in the Land of Enchantment but employed in Texas.

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Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 06:08:23 +1000
From: les williams <lesw cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: US Propane Motor Fuel  Prices

Nephew Phred,

You can read all about it on the ford.com.au site. There is a lot of
info regarding the LPG dedicated engines and the only piece of
information missing is exactly what system is being used. My gut feeling
is which system is the cheapest to manufacture, and that will be the
Ford system, so I would have to say it's the 'compuvalve'. I found it
very amusing to read all about the virtues of LPG, almost point for
point that we Propane Burners have discussed on this list for some time
now, even down to the heavier ignition leads. The statment that an
engine can be started on LPG only, really floored me !!
I've gotta' get me some of that green paint to repaint the rocker
covers in. Ford are painting the Dedicated LPG engines in a
Clean & Tree Huggin' Green !! Oh doesn't that give me a warm and
fuzzy feeling. Not ... The GM supplied fleet of cars
for the Olympics does not have one single 'green' fuelled unit.
For the gentleman that started this thread of, it's well worth a visit.
There is a cost calculator to try and predict how long a conversion will
take to pay for it's self. By all means try a web search on LPG/Propane,
but the real answers from the real world users is right here, right now.

Now Nephew Phred, what secrets of water injection were you looking for ?
Does it prevent engine pinging & cool the intake charge in a de-smogged
9:1 LPG engine ? Yes. Does it work with petrol/LPG in a full smog
comliant set up ? I don't know. If the EGR is working as it *should*,
do we have a conflict of interests ? You have access to a bigger
'playroom' than I have in that direction !!
You already have the water bottle and pump/s, that's one third of the
system, all you need is a trigger and a spray/injection unit.

I changed the trigger device over to micro switching off the secondary
throttle shaft. A lot simpler and very effective.
The water usage is definitly performance related, the heavier the foot
the faster the water disappears. If I am going to drive with a heavy
foot, to carry enough water for 200 ltrs of LPG, I'm going to have to
install a 9 gallon Keg for the water.;-)) How big is the Chebby water
bottle ?

There is another list member interested in the water injection and he
has spent considerable time and effort water injecting an efi 302
(I think). Sam may be kind enough to share his experiences with us.

regards

Les
Still Lost in the Land of OZ




His Nephew replies;
>
>  That price of $1.08 per gallon of propane for motor fuel (as of this
> morning) is typical for your normal customer, my "Good-Ol-Boy special price"
> is considerably lower... In New Mexico from what I have seen, $ 1.00 was
> typical.
>
>  As for the 100% propane fuelled car, I am curious as to what system they
> are using.
>  Have you seen one? Is it an IMPCO system? Or is it a "Fuel Injection"
> system?
>  If its a gaseous fuel injection system with some device called a
> "compuvalve", beware.
>
>  No Les I did not get the water injection going on my 302. I have the water
> reservoir with windshield washer pump (From a Che*y truck no less).  I think
> the last thing I was looking for was a vacuum control valve and figuring out
> if I was going to drill & tap the intake manifold or just plumb the water
> line into a vacuum port. Hmmm, its been awhile. And I could of really used
> it on my recent trip to Dallas.
>  How is your system doing? Can you share some of the installation details.
>
>  Got to go for now, keep your wheels spinning.
>
>  Phred in the Land of Enchantment but employed in Texas.

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