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80-96-list Digest Sun, 27 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 178

In This Issue:
Re: R-134a kits?
Re: R-134a kits?
Re: R-134a
Re: R-134a
EEC code list
Who'da thunk it? A change of Trans Fluid.
Re: Greaseable U-Joints
Re: Who'da thunk it? A change of Trans Fluid.
lift
Re: lift
anyone tried this
460 swap
Re: Aluminum Drive Shaft
Re: EEC code list
Re: 460 swap
Aerostar Tps

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From: "Mike Persell" <persell home.com>
Subject: Re: R-134a kits?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:54:42 -0500

There are lots of precautions.

Compressor age and model. A flushed system due to the oils not being
compatible. Reduce the capacity of the system by 15-20%. Higher pressures
will find old hoses and connections. Among other things.

I converted my 85 F150 and didn't have any side effects. I had an old
compressor and had pretty much determined I would run R134a until the
compressor died and then I would do a complete and proper refit of
compressor, evaporator and receiver-drier. That was 2 years ago and the
system still can pull the air down 40+ degrees on a 100 deg Dallas day. The
compressor is noisy as hell but it always has been.

Before I bought the kit I would have the system evacuated and make sure your
compressor and drier are ready for the change.

Mike

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Hi all,

I was walking the local Walmart, and noticed that there's an R-134a retrofit
kit selling for $35.  This kit claims to contain all of the parts necessary
to convert "nearly any automotive" R-12 system to R-134a, including seals,
oil and two pounds of refrigerant.

The  box doesn't list any makes or models, and appears to indicate that any
person can convert their R-12 system in minutes.  Since the R-12 system in
my '85 F-250 is discharged, I was looking at possibly biting the bullet and
switching to R-134a.  Has anybody tried this kit?  What issues am I looking
at?

Thanks.

Tim Clevenger
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:21:12 -0500
From: a&b <pedalfox bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: R-134a kits?

Tim,
There are a lot of reasons your ac may not work. You may be better off springing
for someone to put a little r-12 in it and figuring out where the problems are.
Especially doing a leak test, etc. You can't just pump in  134 and expect to fix
it.
bill g

Tim Clevenger wrote:

>  What issues am I looking at?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim Clevenger


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From: b-khanson juno.com
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:26:16 -0500
Subject: Re: R-134a


>I was walking the local Walmart, and noticed that
>there's an R-134a retrofit kit selling for $35.  This
> kit claims to contain all of the parts necessary to
> convert "nearly any automotive" R-12 system to
> R-134a, including seals, oil and two pounds of
> refrigerant.

> Since the R-12 system in my '85 F-250 is dis-
> charged, I was looking at possibly biting the
> bullet and switching to R-134a.  What issues
> am I looking at?

> Tim Clevenger

The industry has loosened up on this over the
last couple of years.  I was working at a local
Ford dealership when the factory issued their
kits...and they were quite extensive/expensive
(often including hoses and all kinds of stuff) for
the models deemed appropriate to retrofit.  To
this day, the A/C techs at the dealership are
VERY wary of converting R-12 to R-134a.

In the real world, conversions seem to have
worked reasonably well for a number of people.
The leak that caused the loss of the R-12 still
needs to be fixed before recharging and I think
it's a good idea to flush the system as completely
as possible (to get all traces of the old oil out)
and have someone evacuate the system REAL
well before putting in the R-134a.

Bottom line, it might be cheaper than fixing the
system and recharging with R-12...but might have
marginally reduced cooling efficiency (usually not
a problem in a pickup truck) and possibly reduced
life expectency for system components (like the
compressor).

When I replaced the condensor on my '86 last
year, I stayed with the R-12 and have been real
happy with it.

Bruce Hanson
Apple Valley, MN

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:54:04 -0400
From: "Theodore D. Mills" <n3kwq martnet.com>
Subject: Re: R-134a

I converted my 91 F-250 to R-134a back in July.

It still worked with the R-12, but was in need of a little freon.

After getting price quotes of $37 an OUNCE, for R-12 (the sticker says 44oz
for full charge) I decided to convert.

The usual disclaimers apply here....YMMV

My system was still functional, had no major leaks, and otherwise appeared
in good condition. The previous owner reported no A/C work was ever done.

I had one of the A/C techs do the conversion at work over lunch.

We normally work on bus A/C systems with more capacity than your avarage
house A/C system, and some of the systems in the busses have been converted
from R-12 to R-134a with no noticeable effects.

The vacuum pump we have will suck down a bus system in about 30 minutes or
so, so my truck was no big deal.....

The one recommendation I have heard consistantly, is to get a retro kit
with ester oil.

Supossedly, ester oil is at least somewhat compatible with the mineral oil
used in R-12 systems, so it's not as critical to get all the old oil out.

Performance wise, my retrofitted system is mostly adaquate. I have noticed
a significant decrease in cooling at idle, but when driving even in local
town situations it's very comfortable in the usual Philadelphia 95 degree
high humidity.

just my $0.02


Ted

N3KWQ
Aston, Pa

84 Mustang GT (in pieces)
85 Ranger XL 2WD 2.8L
91 F-250 XLT Lariat SC 4X4x460
94 Taurus LX wagon 3.8L

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:02:10 -0400
From: "Theodore D. Mills" <n3kwq martnet.com>
Subject: EEC code list

Does anybody still have the address for the web site that has the EEC codes
listed?

I had to re-install everything on my computer and lost it.

Also are there any differences in the codes used from year to year?

The EEC vehicles I ned to deal with are;

87 Bronco
90 Lincoln Town Car
91 F-150 and F-250
94 Taurus
94 Ranger
95 F-150


Ted

N3KWQ
Aston, Pa

84 Mustang GT (in pieces)
85 Ranger XL 2WD 2.8L
91 F-250 XLT Lariat SC 4X4x460
94 Taurus LX wagon 3.8L

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From: "Dave Harmier" <dharmier pdq.net>
Subject: Who'da thunk it? A change of Trans Fluid.
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:11:42 -0500

The sisters '92 was "lurching" and generally acting weird. So we dropped it
at a lube place that does the tranny "heart lung" machine thing.  Go to get
it later, they said that had to flush it twice as it was really gunked up.

Sister says "You brought me back a new truck!" Dad says "It spun out at the
corner stop sign!"

Who else besides me is blown away by this stuff?

Dave H.
Houston (south)
90 F-350 Crew Diesel (The BEAST)
91 F-150 SC 5.8 (Dads)
92 F-150 SC 5.0 (Sisters)

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From: LGRanch aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:09:53 EDT
Subject: Re: Greaseable U-Joints

Do you know who the manufacturer of the u joint is?

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:17:41 -0500
From: Jim Cannon <jcannon SoftHome.net>
Subject: Re: Who'da thunk it? A change of Trans Fluid.

At 21:11 27-08-00 -0500, Dave wrote:
>The sisters '92 was "lurching" and generally acting weird. So we dropped it
>at a lube place that does the tranny "heart lung" machine thing.  Go to get
>it later, they said that had to flush it twice as it was really gunked up.
>
>Sister says "You brought me back a new truck!" Dad says "It spun out at the
>corner stop sign!"
>
>Who else besides me is blown away by this stuff?

I used this service the last time my truck was due for fluid change, just
to see how it went. Pretty good experience for me, too. If hers was that
gunked up, though, you may need to drop the pan and clean/replace the
filter. Mine was not that bad, because I change it pretty often (the heat
here is really tough on the transmission fluid).


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX                            "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton                 and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD              '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8


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From: "big red" <big_red_59 hotmail.com>
Subject: lift
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:14:09 GMT

Hi all. I got a 4" suspension lift on the way and was wondering if anyone
had any good pointers for me. I'm hoping it goes better than the body lift I
put in a while back. Doubting it though since nothing has been touched
before. It's an 87 F-150 and the shocks have the date from 87 stamped in
them so it's time for an upgrade. I figure why just change shocks when I can
change everything. One other question. I replaced the rear pinion seal not
even a year ago cause it leaked and it's leaking again, any ideas on why so
soon? Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:38:22 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy <bobkennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: lift

The lift kit manufacturers vary their installation hardware. On some you have to
remove the TTB bracketry and replace it with their gear, on others, it connected
to existing hardware. The rear is usually blocks, you'll need to loosen the
spring pack u-bolts and insert the block.

As far as the pinion seal leaking, the bearing going out usually causes this.
Either the outer or inner bearing is showing wear. Enough to cause the pinion
shaft to deflect.


Bob


big red wrote:

> Hi all. I got a 4" suspension lift on the way and was wondering if anyone
> had any good pointers for me. I'm hoping it goes better than the body lift I
> put in a while back. Doubting it though since nothing has been touched
> before. It's an 87 F-150 and the shocks have the date from 87 stamped in
> them so it's time for an upgrade. I figure why just change shocks when I can
> change everything. One other question. I replaced the rear pinion seal not
> even a year ago cause it leaked and it's leaking again, any ideas on why so
> soon? Thanks.
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From: "big red" <big_red_59 hotmail.com>
Subject: anyone tried this
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:38:17 GMT

anyone heard of Casper's Electronics Throttle Response Calibrator? I seen it
in my summit catalog. Supposedly it plugs into the TPS and reprograms the
computor to advance the timing and increase air/fuel delivery when the
throttle is above 70%. So you don't have the hesitation off the line. Just
wondering if anyone knows about it since I don't feel like spending $90 on
something I won't use or doesn't work. Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:42:37 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp <Larry.Schmiedekamp angelo.edu>
Subject: 460 swap

My son-in-law is pulling a 460 engine from a 1983 truck and is going to
install it in a 1990 truck. To those of you who have done this, a few
questions. Will the transmission from the 1990 bolt up the the 460. It is a
C6 and the engine we took out of it was a 351 FI. How about the motor
mounts do we use the ones from the 460 or the 351. How about wiring. What
is needed to bypass the computer to be able to run a carb. engine. It will
be on a propane system.

You can Email me direct if need.

Thanks in advance

Blake & Larry


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:25:07 -0700
From: Marv & Marge <ae722 lafn.org>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Drive Shaft

Ezekial <ezekial mmind.net> wrote:

> My 88 F-150 did this the whole time I had it and the time my grandpa had
> it. Never got worse or caused any problems. And only done it whenever
> you shifted between reverse and drive. While you staying in a either
> reverse or drive it would not make the sound anymore. I would just let
> it be and spend that 200 bucks on something else :)

You described it exactly!  This is what I've been hearing.  Thanks, the bucks
go elsewhere.

-M-

Marv Miller  mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".

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From: "Tim Clevenger" <tclevenger hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: EEC code list
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:10:21 PDT

Hi Ted,

Thanks for the info on R-134a.  Here are the two sites I know of:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.homestead.com/therangerstation/OBD_I.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dalidesign.com/hbook/eectest.html


Regards,

Tim Clevenger
'85 F-250 2WD LB 460 T-19


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>
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>90 Lincoln Town Car
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>94 Taurus
>94 Ranger
>95 F-150
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:23:13 +0100
From: Shawn <sclemons vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 460 swap

No, the tranny won't bolt up. Not sure if the C6 has a removable bell
housing, but if it does, you can grab one off of a big-block pattern C-6.
Otherwise, you'll need a new tranny with the big-block bell housing and the
correct output adapter to mount up to the transfer case. (If it's 4wd).

Check out this tech article for more info:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off-road.com/ford/bigbroncos/tech/bigblock.html

At 09:42 AM 8/28/00 -0500, you wrote:
>My son-in-law is pulling a 460 engine from a 1983 truck and is going to
>install it in a 1990 truck. To those of you who have done this, a few
>questions. Will the transmission from the 1990 bolt up the the 460. It is a
>C6 and the engine we took out of it was a 351 FI. How about the motor
>mounts do we use the ones from the 460 or the 351. How about wiring. What
>is needed to bypass the computer to be able to run a carb. engine. It will
>be on a propane system.


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