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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd
Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed
Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans-X.... My opinion (stinks eh?)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed
FTE 80-96 - Re: NGK Plug Change Result
FTE 80-96 - 351HO
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: NGK Plug Change Result
FTE 80-96 - Top Speed
Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition module?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: electric fans

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:44:20 PST
From: "barry mitchell" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd

real truck, has hook ups for the hydrolics on the tranny.
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:27:57 EST
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

Alex,

Thanks for the formula, that will definitely come in handy in the future. My
truck has a stock 1 barrel carb, and the ingition system is a stock Duraspark
2.

Stacy

84 F150 4x4


In a message dated 1/22/00 11:47:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
FULSZBRONC aol.com writes:

<< Stacy,
Using the following formula, your rpm 75mph is 2885. It may actually be a
little higher (probably in the 1% to 4% range) if you don't have a locking
torque converter. Formula is:

RPM = mph X gear ratio X 336 / tire radius X 2

(75mph X 3.55 X 336 / 31 = 2885.8

Perhaps some of the other list members driving the big 6 bangers can comment
on whether they have any ''pull'' left at that rpm, and if they are running
stock engine configurations or have modified their ignition and/or fuel
system or exhaust etc. (is this a stock fuel injection system?)
Alex >>
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:42:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods kens.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

With this formula, you're assuming a 1:1 top gear ratio, correct?

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:
> RPM = mph X gear ratio X 336 / tire radius X 2

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Ken Woods
kwoods kens.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:35:55 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" ee.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans-X.... My opinion (stinks eh?)

Dave,
Don't know what's in that stuff but I swear by it 8^> Must be some kinda
solvent/conditioner, and (to me) it smells like lighter fliud. As a general
rule I don't place much trust in additives, but Trans-X is the exception.
I used it in SWMBO's transmission about 50k miles ago and at ~ 160k it still
runs and shifts great!!
Also used it to cure what ailed my daughters tranny.........till she ran the
sucker bone dry and burned it up.
It's NOT gonna help if you got mechanical problems, but it WILL disslove
varnish buildup and condition the seals. (sometimes stops small leaks)

I agree that "your milage will vary" and that Trans-X should be used as a
last resort. If everyone would flush/fill their trannys at recommended
intervals, they'd probably never need to use it in the first place.

my $.02
Smeck
P.S. I oughta buy some stock in the company huh? < >


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Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 9:45 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Trans-X.... My opinion (stinks eh?)


> It was truly a magical elixer for my 79 351/C-6...
> My tranny was dead, and taking out a quart of the REALLY bad stuff...and
> putting in a quart of Trans-X made it go again.
>
> I have no idea about these way expensive to rebuild E4ODs...
>
> In this case your mileage may very well vary!!!
>
> Dave H.
> Houston
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:05:47 EST
From: Kbeverwein aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap

you can change the wiring for the firing order going to th computer. a
friend of mine
done this. but he hasn't put it on his car yet. He got the wiring
information off the
web. I would have to call him and find out where.

Brian
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:00:10 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

> My rolling radius is roughly 15 and a half inches. I have 31x10.50 tires
> on
> the truck.
>
> Stacy

Your gearing's not that bad in comparison. Your running ~3000
rpms at 75mph.

But 2 things here:

1. you've lost some power just my the shear *weight* of those 31 X
10.50's and the increased rolling resistance of 10" rubber on the
road instead of the wimpy 7" lighter 78's stock tires.

2. Also, tired 300-6's just don't have the breathing/rpm capability
after ~3000rpms. Possible worn cam lobes/valve springs.

Your not alone. There are plenty of older 300-6's limited to 75-
80mph, especially when fitted w/the popular big tires.


> In a message dated 1/22/00 6:46:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> FULSZBRONC aol.com writes:
>
> << < I've got an 84 F150 300 I-6, C6 Tranny and 3.55 gears. On a straight
> stretch, the fastest that I can get it to go is 75mph. I don't have a
> tach
> on the truck, so I don't know what kind of rpms that I am turning, even
> though it sounds like it's wound pretty good. A friend of mine said
> that
> he
> thought that I should be able to get more than 75mph out of it. I was
> wondering what you all thought. >>
>


Danny
fitz011ev1.net
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:00:10 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: NGK Plug Change Result

> My '91's rebuilt E4OD does it periodically. It has done this for at
> least
> 30,000 miles. Don't know if it was this way before the previous owner
> had
> it rebuilt. It had some sort of "fortifier kit" or something like that
> installed at the rebuild as well. It seems a bit better behaved since I
> improved the ignition system by going to NGK plugs but it still gives
> mild
> kicks now and again (plug change also eliminated the "stall on cold
> start"
> problem for me.)
>
> Shawn Clark

I tried Shawn's NGK plug change on my '90 300-6 and it didn't
make any difference for me as far as being able to cold start w/o
hitting accelerator pedal. Starting w/o touching the accel. pedal will
still produce a stumbling idle and possible stall. A restart will
always start it up fine however.

However, slightly opening the throttle when cold starting will always
produce an immediate start w/a good, high idle and the usual
"settle down" after ~20 secs.

Probably a finicky TPS although there are no codes and the
TPS(non adjustable) ohms out good.
Danny
fitz011ev1.net
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:15:36 -0500 (EST)
From: DBblueboywebtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 351HO

I can purchase an engine and tranny from a 1989CrownV.. It is from an X
P. cruiser.
This engine has a carb type EFI, an oil and trans. cooler. Everything
is intack, including manifolds. It has the radiator
and puter also. Will this Engine and transmission work in my 1987 F150?
It has low miles and would suit my need for
towing. Could anyone help me on this one.



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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:16:40 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: NGK Plug Change Result

Danny-
Does the '90 300-6 have any sort of IAC to allow the computer to control
idle speed? If so, maybe it is gunked up. I don't know anything about the
later engines.

At 12:00 23/01/00 -0600, you wrote:
>I tried Shawn's NGK plug change on my '90 300-6 and it didn't
>make any difference for me as far as being able to cold start w/o
>hitting accelerator pedal. Starting w/o touching the accel. pedal will
>still produce a stumbling idle and possible stall. A restart will
>always start it up fine however.
>
>However, slightly opening the throttle when cold starting will always
>produce an immediate start w/a good, high idle and the usual
>"settle down" after ~20 secs.
>
>Probably a finicky TPS although there are no codes and the
>TPS(non adjustable) ohms out good.
>Danny
>fitz011ev1.net


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:23:53 -0800 (PST)
From: 2insaneexcite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

I've got a 89 f-150 302 aod with 3.55 gears. I've had mine as fast as it
could go and am guessing its at about 100 mph. speedo stops at 85 but the
needle keeps going. stops at third gear, don't have a tach either to see
what its wound up at but i'm sure its up there. shifts out of first at 35-40
mph and out of 2nd at 65-70 and then stays in third. figuring about each
gear giving a 35 mph range. . rpms up in third gear should be going about
(3x35)= 105 mph. If it shifted into overdrive at full throttle i would
probably be able to get up to the 130 mph mark.
It seems like u should be able to go faster than that. I've heard the I6
isn't a high rpm engine and maybe only goes to 3500-4000 rpm before it
shifts a gear? i've got two friends with the I6. a 88 stick shift and a 89
auto. i could ask them to see what the highest they've had theirs going.
unsure about the c6 tranny also. 3 speed? does it shift through all 3 gears
or is it staying in second? if mine stayed in second and i had a little
taller tires it might be turning about 75mph at WOT. I'll ask my buds and
send another message since i don't think this one helped out too much.

DK





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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:48:48 EST
From: Lingus0169aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition module?

yeah i have a question, how can you tell if the ignition module is good or
bad??
nick
82 F150 4x4 351w
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:49:36 EST
From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

<< With this formula, you're assuming a 1:1 top gear ratio, correct?

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 FULSZBRONCaol.com wrote:
> RPM = mph X gear ratio X 336 / tire radius X 2 >>

In Stacy's example, yes. We know the C6 final ratio is 1:1, but you can
multiply the ratio of any gear times the drive axle ratio, insert it into the
equation and get the rpm. As an example, say you are running an overdrive
transmission that is .8:1, multiply .8 x final axle ratio x mph x 336
divided by tire radius x 2. Using Stacy's tires and rear gears, the rpm
in O/D would be 2308. Works for any gear, all you have to know is mph,
transmission and final gear ratios and the rolling radius of the tires. {
75mph x (.8 x 3.55) x336 / (15.5 x 2) = 2308 rpm}
Alex
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:38:02 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd

>real truck, has hook ups for the hydrolics on the tranny.
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Could be a ZF with PTO hydraulic pump, or it could be a New Process 534 of
something of that kind. Those are generally in 2 ton trucks. Does it have
overdrive?


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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:23:23 EST
From: ACMERCGaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap

In a message dated 01/22/2000 12:55:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rocky50ev1.net writes:

<< This could be a long story,

What I did was I bought a 95
mustang
GT, 302HO crate motor, $2195,
>>
see, I already have the 302/AOD in my truck, so I wouldn't need half the
stuff you needed... I thought you already had the 302 and were swapping in
the HO motor for more power, BTW, how much does it actually put out?

Joe
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:27:08 EST
From: ACMERCGaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap

In a message dated 01/23/2000 12:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Kbeverweinaol.com writes:

<< you can change the wiring for the firing order going to th computer. a
friend of mine
done this. but he hasn't put it on his car yet. He got the wiring
information off the
web. I would have to call him and find out where. >>
ok... maybe you could get me that addy... I'd like to check it out...

Joe
lost in Jersey
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:07:18 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: electric fans

FULSZBRONCaol.com wrote:

> I really can't quantify the amount of air that electric fans move

> I just now ran out to my truck with multi-meter in hand to see how much
> they draw on my charging system (with BOTH fans on): only 14.5 amps.....
> not too bad!!
> Just my 2 cents worth
> Alex

Thanks Alex,
I had 3 electric fans installed, and the power draw was about 45 amps total on
the truck's ammeter. A figure I couldn't believe. A check with the multi meter
proved it was in fact correct. In my opinion way too high to be a sustainable
solution.

I may revisit the problem, BUT with a multi meter in hand this time, to check the
quality of the electrial units.

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

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