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From: owner-80-96-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (80-96-list-digest) To: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 80-96-list-digest V4 #22 Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 80-96-list-digest Monday, January 24 2000 Volume 04 : Number 022 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980-1996 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans-X.... My opinion (stinks eh?) Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed FTE 80-96 - Re: NGK Plug Change Result FTE 80-96 - 351HO Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: NGK Plug Change Result FTE 80-96 - Top Speed Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition module? Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: electric fans ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:44:20 PST From: "barry mitchell" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd real truck, has hook ups for the hydrolics on the tranny. ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:27:57 EST From: MRStace84 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed Alex, Thanks for the formula, that will definitely come in handy in the future. My truck has a stock 1 barrel carb, and the ingition system is a stock Duraspark 2. Stacy 84 F150 4x4 In a message dated 1/22/00 11:47:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, FULSZBRONC aol.com writes: << Stacy, Using the following formula, your rpm 75mph is 2885. It may actually be a little higher (probably in the 1% to 4% range) if you don't have a locking torque converter. Formula is: RPM = mph X gear ratio X 336 / tire radius X 2 (75mph X 3.55 X 336 / 31 = 2885.8 Perhaps some of the other list members driving the big 6 bangers can comment on whether they have any ''pull'' left at that rpm, and if they are running stock engine configurations or have modified their ignition and/or fuel system or exhaust etc. (is this a stock fuel injection system?) Alex >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:42:25 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed With this formula, you're assuming a 1:1 top gear ratio, correct? On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote: > RPM = mph X gear ratio X 336 / tire radius X 2 - -- Ken Woods kwoods kens.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:35:55 -0600 From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans-X.... My opinion (stinks eh?) Dave, Don't know what's in that stuff but I swear by it 8^> Must be some kinda solvent/conditioner, and (to me) it smells like lighter fliud. As a general rule I don't place much trust in additives, but Trans-X is the exception. I used it in SWMBO's transmission about 50k miles ago and at ~ 160k it still runs and shifts great!! Also used it to cure what ailed my daughters tranny.........till she ran the sucker bone dry and burned it up. It's NOT gonna help if you got mechanical problems, but it WILL disslove varnish buildup and condition the seals. (sometimes stops small leaks) I agree that "your milage will vary" and that Trans-X should be used as a last resort. If everyone would flush/fill their trannys at recommended intervals, they'd probably never need to use it in the first place. my $.02 Smeck P.S. I oughta buy some stock in the company huh? < - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Harmier To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 9:45 PM Subject: FTE 80-96 - Trans-X.... My opinion (stinks eh?) > It was truly a magical elixer for my 79 351/C-6... > My tranny was dead, and taking out a quart of the REALLY bad stuff...and > putting in a quart of Trans-X made it go again. > > I have no idea about these way expensive to rebuild E4ODs... > > In this case your mileage may very well vary!!! > > Dave H. > Houston > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:05:47 EST From: Kbeverwein aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap you can change the wiring for the firing order going to th computer. a friend of mine done this. but he hasn't put it on his car yet. He got the wiring information off the web. I would have to call him and find out where. Brian == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:00:10 -0600 From: "DannyF" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed > My rolling radius is roughly 15 and a half inches. I have 31x10.50 tires > on > the truck. > > Stacy Your gearing's not that bad in comparison. Your running ~3000 rpms at 75mph. But 2 things here: 1. you've lost some power just my the shear *weight* of those 31 X 10.50's and the increased rolling resistance of 10" rubber on the road instead of the wimpy 7" lighter 78's stock tires. 2. Also, tired 300-6's just don't have the breathing/rpm capability after ~3000rpms. Possible worn cam lobes/valve springs. Your not alone. There are plenty of older 300-6's limited to 75- 80mph, especially when fitted w/the popular big tires. > In a message dated 1/22/00 6:46:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > FULSZBRONC aol.com writes: > > << < I've got an 84 F150 300 I-6, C6 Tranny and 3.55 gears. On a straight > stretch, the fastest that I can get it to go is 75mph. I don't have a > tach > on the truck, so I don't know what kind of rpms that I am turning, even > though it sounds like it's wound pretty good. A friend of mine said > that > he > thought that I should be able to get more than 75mph out of it. I was > wondering what you all thought. >> > Danny fitz011 ev1.net== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:00:10 -0600 From: "DannyF" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: NGK Plug Change Result > My '91's rebuilt E4OD does it periodically. It has done this for at > least > 30,000 miles. Don't know if it was this way before the previous owner > had > it rebuilt. It had some sort of "fortifier kit" or something like that > installed at the rebuild as well. It seems a bit better behaved since I > improved the ignition system by going to NGK plugs but it still gives > mild > kicks now and again (plug change also eliminated the "stall on cold > start" > problem for me.) > > Shawn Clark I tried Shawn's NGK plug change on my '90 300-6 and it didn't make any difference for me as far as being able to cold start w/o hitting accelerator pedal. Starting w/o touching the accel. pedal will still produce a stumbling idle and possible stall. A restart will always start it up fine however. However, slightly opening the throttle when cold starting will always produce an immediate start w/a good, high idle and the usual "settle down" after ~20 secs. Probably a finicky TPS although there are no codes and the TPS(non adjustable) ohms out good. Danny fitz011 ev1.net== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:15:36 -0500 (EST) From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)Subject: FTE 80-96 - 351HO I can purchase an engine and tranny from a 1989CrownV.. It is from an X P. cruiser. This engine has a carb type EFI, an oil and trans. cooler. Everything is intack, including manifolds. It has the radiator and puter also. Will this Engine and transmission work in my 1987 F150? It has low miles and would suit my need for towing. Could anyone help me on this one. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://community.webtv.net/DBblueboy/DayBreakblueboyblue == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:16:40 -0600 From: Jim Cannon Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: NGK Plug Change Result Danny- Does the '90 300-6 have any sort of IAC to allow the computer to control idle speed? If so, maybe it is gunked up. I don't know anything about the later engines. At 12:00 23/01/00 -0600, you wrote: >I tried Shawn's NGK plug change on my '90 300-6 and it didn't >make any difference for me as far as being able to cold start w/o >hitting accelerator pedal. Starting w/o touching the accel. pedal will >still produce a stumbling idle and possible stall. A restart will >always start it up fine however. > >However, slightly opening the throttle when cold starting will always >produce an immediate start w/a good, high idle and the usual >"settle down" after ~20 secs. > >Probably a finicky TPS although there are no codes and the >TPS(non adjustable) ohms out good. >Danny >fitz011 ev1.netJim Cannon Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!" '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:23:53 -0800 (PST) From: 2insane excite.comSubject: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed I've got a 89 f-150 302 aod with 3.55 gears. I've had mine as fast as it could go and am guessing its at about 100 mph. speedo stops at 85 but the needle keeps going. stops at third gear, don't have a tach either to see what its wound up at but i'm sure its up there. shifts out of first at 35-40 mph and out of 2nd at 65-70 and then stays in third. figuring about each gear giving a 35 mph range. . rpms up in third gear should be going about (3x35)= 105 mph. If it shifted into overdrive at full throttle i would probably be able to get up to the 130 mph mark. It seems like u should be able to go faster than that. I've heard the I6 isn't a high rpm engine and maybe only goes to 3500-4000 rpm before it shifts a gear? i've got two friends with the I6. a 88 stick shift and a 89 auto. i could ask them to see what the highest they've had theirs going. unsure about the c6 tranny also. 3 speed? does it shift through all 3 gears or is it staying in second? if mine stayed in second and i had a little taller tires it might be turning about 75mph at WOT. I'll ask my buds and send another message since i don't think this one helped out too much. DK _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://freeworld.excite.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:48:48 EST From: Lingus0169 aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition module? yeah i have a question, how can you tell if the ignition module is good or bad?? nick 82 F150 4x4 351w == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:49:36 EST From: FULSZBRONC aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed << With this formula, you're assuming a 1:1 top gear ratio, correct? On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:> RPM = mph X gear ratio X 336 / tire radius X 2 >> In Stacy's example, yes. We know the C6 final ratio is 1:1, but you can multiply the ratio of any gear times the drive axle ratio, insert it into the equation and get the rpm. As an example, say you are running an overdrive transmission that is .8:1, multiply .8 x final axle ratio x mph x 336 divided by tire radius x 2. Using Stacy's tires and rear gears, the rpm in O/D would be 2308. Works for any gear, all you have to know is mph, transmission and final gear ratios and the rolling radius of the tires. { 75mph x (.8 x 3.55) x336 / (15.5 x 2) = 2308 rpm} Alex == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:38:02 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd >real truck, has hook ups for the hydrolics on the tranny. >______________________________________________________ Could be a ZF with PTO hydraulic pump, or it could be a New Process 534 of something of that kind. Those are generally in 2 ton trucks. Does it have overdrive? Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:23:23 EST From: ACMERCG aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap In a message dated 01/22/2000 12:55:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, rocky50 ev1.net writes:<< This could be a long story, What I did was I bought a 95 mustang GT, 302HO crate motor, $2195, >> see, I already have the 302/AOD in my truck, so I wouldn't need half the stuff you needed... I thought you already had the 302 and were swapping in the HO motor for more power, BTW, how much does it actually put out? Joe Lost in Jersey == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:27:08 EST From: ACMERCG aol.comSubject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap In a message dated 01/23/2000 12:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kbeverwein aol.com writes:<< you can change the wiring for the firing order going to th computer. a friend of mine done this. but he hasn't put it on his car yet. He got the wiring information off the web. I would have to call him and find out where. >> ok... maybe you could get me that addy... I'd like to check it out... Joe lost in Jersey == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:07:18 +1100 From: les williams Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: electric fans FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:> I really can't quantify the amount of air that electric fans move > I just now ran out to my truck with multi-meter in hand to see how much > they draw on my charging system (with BOTH fans on): only 14.5 amps..... > not too bad!! > Just my 2 cents worth > Alex Thanks Alex, I had 3 electric fans installed, and the power draw was about 45 amps total on the truck's ammeter. A figure I couldn't believe. A check with the multi meter proved it was in fact correct. In my opinion way too high to be a sustainable solution. I may revisit the problem, BUT with a multi meter in hand this time, to check the quality of the electrial units. regards Les Lost in the Land of OZ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of 80-96-list-digest V4 #22 ******************************* +---- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 through 1996 Trucks And Vans -----+ | Send posts to 80-96-list ford-trucks.com, || List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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