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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: MORE INFO ABOUT THE SWITCH
FTE 80-96 - RE: Hard Starting THANKS BRAD!!
FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Nasty shake
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd
Re: FTE 80-96 - truck opinion
Re: FTE 80-96 - snow
FTE 80-96 - Top Speed
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD
FTE 80-96 - re:mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed
Re: FTE 80-96 - 87 Ranger Codes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 82 351w swap in 85 300 i6
FTE 80-96 - Trans-X.... My opinion (stinks eh?)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:46:52 -0600
From: vince a smith troi.csw.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Hard Starting THANKS BRAD!!

My 1993 F150 302FI is having a very hard time starting on the first
ignition key cycle. If I turn the key to on for about two second then

off and on again (allowing fuel pump to cycle on) it will start just
about normal.

Any ideas??

Thanks
Vince Smith

Some times, a fuel pump relay can go bad and not pull up on the first
cycle of the key, The second cycle of the key seems
to give the relay just enough bump to close it's contacts. Once it
closes, it stays closed as it's not burnt, just sticking. When
the relays are just starting to fail, they will eventually pull up on
their own most times if you hold the key in the start position
long enough given the illusion that your truck is just hard to start
when in fact, it starts as soon as the relay contacts make. I
learned this one from experience and am also told that the ignition
relay can do the same thing. Given the low cost of these
relays, I replaced both of them. You can check for this problem by
getting a friend to try to start the truck while you get
ready to tap the relays with a screwdriver. If the truck starts when
the relays are tapped, you've found the problem! They
are located on the drivers side (on this continent anyway) under the
hood about 1/2 way back. Brad Watts / AMT E-mail
wattsb nbnet.nb.ca Web www.amt.nb.ca

.
Brad
Message didn't go out last weekend ?
Anyway, I Swapped the Horn relay and the Fuel Pump relay. She is
busting right off now!!!

MUCH THANKS
Vince

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:52:40 -0600
From: "Moe Gendron" ev1.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: mustang headers/302 HO swap

> Moe,

> I have been considering this swap myself... what did you do to take care

> of the the diffrent firing orders? Use a Mustang Distributor? Or are

> they the same (disty)? Did you use a diffrent intake? What about the oil

> pickup? did you use the truck setup or the car?

>

This could be a long story,

What I did was I bought a 95 mustang
GT, 302HO crate motor, $2195,

Came with:

SS factory mustang headers, (had to buy SS truck headers from
Ford $250),

Eldebrook hi-rise RPM intake manifold, (bought a new AFB $275
total w/strip kit)),

duraspark 2 distribtor w/wires and plugs,

Manual mustang flywheel, (bought a auto flexplate from Ford $90, I
think),

Dual sump mustang oil pan, (got a used 302 Truck rear sump pan to
clear "Y" pipe $50, also had to bend pickup tube a very small
amount to clear oil pan)

Timing chain cover, (had to buy a used truck cover, $50)

Water pump, (had to get a new truck pump, $60)


Had to buy a "standalone" ignition system (wiring harness, hi-
energy coil, and ignition module from Ford, $250, made by MSD)


I got really lucky (after mos. of lookin) and walked into a junk yard
as they were pullin in a 88 F150 302 w/ the single surpintine belt
system, My eyes must have been as big as damaters when I asked
about the brackets, (See the movie U-Turn?) the guy spit out some
of his cigar and said, "250 dollars", to which I said, "DEAL!" this
was the smartest thing I've done in a long time, mounted all my
accs., PS, Smog pump, Alt, A/C comp, and haven't touched it since.


Ya gonna need:

"Y" pipe, (SS from Ford, $250 Bassini) and the rest of the exhaust.

Motor Mounts, and Frame brackets, ($60ea. from Ford)

Oil pressure fitting, You'll have to drill and tap in a pressure switch
for the fuel pump.

New radiator a must. $150, hoses etc.

Fuel pump, elect., I bought a Carter 4070 that worked about 2 min.,
got pissed and bought a cheap Puralator, and it works like a champ,
but I don't like the noise it makes.


I better shut up now,

In short, I set the motor up as if it were a mustang, HO's have a
different firing order than other 302's.


HTH,

I didn't cover everything, but you get the idea, Have some extra
bucks to spend. Cost way more than I thought, and I don't want to
know the total $$$$. Barring a wreck, this is the last truck I'll ever
buy. Bought it new and hated the 6 from day 1.


Moe

72 911T

98 Maxima

85 F150, now if I can only get that AOD in, the 3 sp. C5 is fine if
you don't go over 60mph, 75mph I'm turnin 3200 rpm's with a
3.08 rear. 4,500 trouble free miles.....I never could say that about
the 300/6. heck, I could go on for hours......

Houston




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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:57:28 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Nasty shake

>Hello guys.
>
>I have an 87 F250 4x4 with a 302 and a 4 speed. At any speed, I have a
>constant shake. The transmission lever and everything shakes like crazy. I
>was trying to see if it would go away as I gained speed but the police
>stopped me at about 72mph OUCH! 72 in a 55 amounts to about $53 here in
>Idaho.
>

Sounds like a tire either out of round or out of balance.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."


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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:05:56 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel 5spd

>Help!!! need 5spd tranny for 89 F450 Super Duty Rollback wrecker
>

Is that a real truck 5 speed or a pickup 5 speed?


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:18:26 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - truck opinion

>Jeff..............Oil is now approaching $30/barrel and the price of gas
>WILL go up. If you're worried about gas milage, why would you even think
>about gettin a 460? From what I've read on this list, guys that have this
>engine are happy to get 10mpg and usually get LESS.

I doubt if oil will stay up long. Too many greedy poor 3rd world oil
producers that will soon cut their price to sell more.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."


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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:06:50 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - snow

>I used to put bags of the good-quality sand in the bed of my former small
>truck and in the spring empty it into a sandbox at a park around the corner
>from where I lived. The last couple winters in Kansas haven't been bad
>enough to warrant the backache that accompanies getting all those bags into
>the bed of the truck, though.

Well all the local cats will love you!


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."


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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:16:00 EST
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

Hello List,

I've got an 84 F150 300 I-6, C6 Tranny and 3.55 gears. On a straight
stretch, the fastest that I can get it to go is 75mph. I don't have a tach
on the truck, so I don't know what kind of rpms that I am turning, even
though it sounds like it's wound pretty good. A friend of mine said that he
thought that I should be able to get more than 75mph out of it. I was
wondering what you all thought.

Thanks
Stacy Fisher
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:36:29 -0600
From: "Shawn & Jennifer Clark" tyler.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD

Britt Pinson wrote:
>>
Just wanted to know if anyone has ever experienced a problem with Teeth
rattling shifts with the E4OD tranny? Mine started shifting ultra hard
this week and I don't have a clue what might cause this
<<

Dave H. replied:
>>
My '92 would do it occaisionally with the old E4OD, will do it sometimes
with the rebuilt E4OD. My uncle said it did it from new. So you are not
alone!!!
<<

My '91's rebuilt E4OD does it periodically. It has done this for at least
30,000 miles. Don't know if it was this way before the previous owner had
it rebuilt. It had some sort of "fortifier kit" or something like that
installed at the rebuild as well. It seems a bit better behaved since I
improved the ignition system by going to NGK plugs but it still gives mild
kicks now and again (plug change also eliminated the "stall on cold start"
problem for me.)

Shawn Clark
e-mail: sd&jkclark tyler.net

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:26:23 -0700
From: Robert Humble qmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD

At 02:36 PM 1/22/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Britt Pinson wrote:
> >>
>Just wanted to know if anyone has ever experienced a problem with Teeth
>rattling shifts with the E4OD tranny? Mine started shifting ultra hard
>this week and I don't have a clue what might cause this

Indeed, when my truck was about 2 1/2 years old the shifts would often
cause my teeth to click. I was more than somewhat concerned and took it to
a Ford dealer's service department. The shop foreman and I took a ride in
it, with him driving. Since the problem was somewhat intermittent, it
naturally shifted pretty well with him driving. He gave me a hmmm, and
said it was probably OK, just normal. "Yeah, right", I said. But, having
documented the problem on their computer, I hung with it as was. Not long
afterwards it gave a big clunk one day and ceased shifting. I drove it
over to the dealer in whatever gear I could get. They replaced the
transmission, under warranty.

Here's the writeup: Diag Trans Concern Codes 542-628 in Memory. Trans
Tester diag passed dynamic testing. 26.7 ohms solenoides. Removed Trans
disassembled. Park gear damaged case, excessive cost to repair. Necessary
to exchange.

Bob


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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:34:42 EST
From: BSchinski aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re:mileage

This may sound like bs but it's true.
I bought my '85 Bronco in "91 with 80k miles on it. It now has 230K. Original
motor, original tranny, still with plenty of spunk. It was the first year
with the FI 302 coupled to the AOD with a 4.11 posi 9" rear. The only major
work I've had done was to replace the timing chain when it skipped a tooth
(and changed out the water pump at the same time). I also replaced one
cracked exhaust manifold. Needless to say, I've faithfully changed oil every
3-4K with tranny fluid changes every 30K.
I check the mileage every fill up. Always between 14.5 and 15 except if I'm
towing a trailer when it drops to 10.
I love this thing. When it gives out, I'm planning to drop a rebuild in, do
the tranny at the same time and start over.
Bo Schinski
Seattle
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:41:30 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

<< I've got an 84 F150 300 I-6, C6 Tranny and 3.55 gears. On a straight
stretch, the fastest that I can get it to go is 75mph. I don't have a tach
on the truck, so I don't know what kind of rpms that I am turning, even
though it sounds like it's wound pretty good. A friend of mine said that he
thought that I should be able to get more than 75mph out of it. I was
wondering what you all thought. >>

If you'll go out and measure the rolling radius of one of your wheels, I'll
be able to tell you about how much RPM you're turning 75 mph.... from that
you should be able to decide for youself if it's hit the end of it's
effective rpm at that speed or if it's just ''out of wind'', so to speak.
(rolling radius is the measurement from ground to the center of the axle)
Alex
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:05:29 PST
From: "Red Smiley Face" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 87 Ranger Codes

HIs ignition system computer is faultering.


>From: Kbeverweinaol.com
>Reply-To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
>To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 87 Ranger Codes
>Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:25:03 EST
>
>Friend of mine has an '87 Ranger 2.9. He is receiving a Code telling
>him that there is a problem with the O2 Sensor. He replaced it and is
>still getting same code. Does anyone have an idea what else may be
>causing him to receive this code?
>
>Brian
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:37:01 EST
From: MRStace84aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

My rolling radius is roughly 15 and a half inches. I have 31x10.50 tires on
the truck.

Stacy

In a message dated 1/22/00 6:46:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
FULSZBRONCaol.com writes:

<< < I've got an 84 F150 300 I-6, C6 Tranny and 3.55 gears. On a straight
stretch, the fastest that I can get it to go is 75mph. I don't have a tach
on the truck, so I don't know what kind of rpms that I am turning, even
though it sounds like it's wound pretty good. A friend of mine said that
he
thought that I should be able to get more than 75mph out of it. I was
wondering what you all thought. >>

If you'll go out and measure the rolling radius of one of your wheels, I'll
be able to tell you about how much RPM you're turning 75 mph.... from that
you should be able to decide for youself if it's hit the end of it's
effective rpm at that speed or if it's just ''out of wind'', so to speak.
(rolling radius is the measurement from ground to the center of the axle)
Alex >>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 22:04:45 EST
From: Lingus0169aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 82 351w swap in 85 300 i6

hi...i had a project which involved swapping in a 351w for a 300 i6..so far
everthing is looking good,everything hooks up with little or no altercation.
tomorrow will be the first craking of the engine, and hopefully it will
start..if not i will ahve a job ahead of me figuring out why.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:45:25 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier" gte.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Trans-X.... My opinion (stinks eh?)

It was truly a magical elixer for my 79 351/C-6...
My tranny was dead, and taking out a quart of the REALLY bad stuff...and
putting in a quart of Trans-X made it go again.

I have no idea about these way expensive to rebuild E4ODs...

In this case your mileage may very well vary!!!

Dave H.
Houston
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:41:33 EST
From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Top Speed

Stacy,
Using the following formula, your rpm75mph is 2885. It may actually be a
little higher (probably in the 1% to 4% range) if you don't have a locking
torque converter. Formula is:

RPM = mph X gear ratio X 336 / tire radius X 2

(75mph X 3.55 X 336 / 31 = 2885.8

Perhaps some of the other list members driving the big 6 bangers can comment
on whether they have any ''pull'' left at that rpm, and if they are running
stock engine configurations or have modified their ignition and/or fuel
system or exhaust etc. (is this a stock fuel injection system?)
Alex

<< My rolling radius is roughly 15 and a half inches. I have 31x10.50 tires
on
the truck.

Stacy
<< < I've got an 84 F150 300 I-6, C6 Tranny and 3.55 gears. On a straight
stretch, the fastest that I can get it to go is 75mph. I don't have a
tach
on the truck, so I don't know what kind of rpms that I am turning, even
though it sounds like it's wound pretty good. A friend of mine said that
he
thought that I should be able to get more than 75mph out of it. I was
wondering what you all thought. >>

If you'll go out and measure the rolling radius of one of your wheels, I'll
be able to tell you about how much RPM you're turning 75 mph.... from
that
you should be able to decide for youself if it's hit the end of it's
effective rpm at that speed or if it's just ''out of wind'', so to speak.
(rolling radius is the measurement from ground to the center of the axle)
Alex >> >>
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