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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - F-250 Diesel
RE: FTE 80-96 - Which Manual Trans. for 86 F250 2wd w/6.9 Diesel
FTE 80-96 - Gear ratio and MPG
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear ratio and MPG?
FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 fuel filters
FTE 80-96 - Fan
FTE 80-96 - RE: Gear ratio and MPG?
FTE 80-96 - RE: Tranny Grease Change
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tranny Grease change
FTE 80-96 - Trailer Hitch
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trailer Hitch
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: LISTS AND WEB SITE WILL GO DOWN!
FTE 80-96 - truck opinion
FTE 80-96 - F150 Front Brakes
FTE 80-96 - 5.0 headers

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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:09:22 -0600
From: Bill G uab.edu>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-250 Diesel

Well, just got a '96 F-250 7.3, E4OD, with 50k on it. Now
that it's bought, what's gonna break? I was following the
thread about the dual tank switch thing. Does this apply to
'96's? Any other stuff that should be a problem? I know, I
should have asked prior to buying, but.....
Thanks
Bill G

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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:13:13 -0600
From: bennettr hiwaay.net
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Which Manual Trans. for 86 F250 2wd w/6.9 Diesel

As far as 5 speed manual transmissions there are at least 3 different ones.
The 300 six and 302 came with a Mazda 5 speed (M5OD) starting around 1988.
Trucks with this transmission have code M on the compliance sticker. The
351 and 460's came with a wide ratio ZF 5 speed (S5-42)code W on the
compliance sticker. The diesel as far as I know came with a close ratio ZF
5 speed, not sure on the Trans code for this one. I have been told that
some of the diesel trucks also came with the wide ratio ZF but I'm not sure.
There may have been other 5 speed transmissions used in these trucks but
these are the 3 I am familiar with, maybe someone else on the list can fill
in.

Here is the gear ratios of these transmissions as posted several months ago
by someone else on this list.

Mazda M5OD
3.39:1 (Reverse), 3.9:1, 2.25:1, 1.50:1, 1:1, 0.8:1

ZF S5-42 Close Ratio
3.79:1(Reverse), 4.14:1, 2.37:1, 1.42:1, 1:1, 0.77:1

ZF S5-42 Wide Ratio
5.24:1(Reverse), 5.72:1, 2.94:1, 1.61:1, 1:1, 0.76:1

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[mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Berto
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:28 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Which Manual Trans. for 86 F250 2wd w/6.9 Diesel


Hello all.

I have a 1986 F250 extended cab 2wd with the 6.9 Diesel.
I currently have the Auto Trans, but am considering changing
to a manual. Could those knowledgable in the different
transmissions from that time period comment on the various
transmission/model/engine permutations (w/part numbers)?

There were quite a few F150s delivered with the 300ci six
and 5 speed that may be readily available. Were there multiple manual
transmissions
(light/heavy duty ) ?

Has anyone done such a transplant ? Is the pivot (mounting)point for the
clutch
pedal present but unused in AT models ?

Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge.

Bob Berto
Somerset, NJ

1986 F250 XLT Lariat Extended Cab 2wd Diesel
1978 Mercedes 300D
1982 Honda CX500 Custom
1975 BMW R90S
( non-operational toys excluded )


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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:18:31 +0500
From: "James" colstate.edu>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gear ratio and MPG

Dave,

FWIW, I have a 1989 F150 2WD with the 300 six and Mazda 5 speed. My
gear ratio is a 3.08 and I get a consistent 19 MPG on the highway
with the truck empty. At 60 MPH, I'm only turning 2000 RPM :)
Of course with a load, the MPG's decrease. Pulling a 5000 lb
trailer on the backroads in the Tennesse mountains got the worst
mileage, only 10 MPG.

HTH,
James Hiers

> I have a 1987 f150, 300 fi 6 cylinder, 2wd with NP435 transmission and
> 4.10 gears. With 30 inch tires I turn about 2900 rpm at 60 mph, and am
> getting 14 to 16 mpg average.
>
> I can get a used replacement rear axle with 3.55 gears. If I did the math
> right, that should drop my 60 mph rpm's to about 2500. Do you think that
> this change will result in much of an improvement in fuel econonomy? That
> is, if rpm's drop about 15%, will mpg increase 15% as well? What mpg do
> others with a similar setup get?
>



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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:39:37 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear ratio and MPG?

He *will* get at least a 10% improvement.

His truck was set up as a hauler/tow vehicle when new(if
everythings original). 4.10 rear ratio, NP435 w/the very low 1st gear
is a tow setup. He is going to drop ~400 rpms w/the 3.55s at
60mph. That puts him at ~2400rpm at 60 w/30in tires. Thats well
within the 300's torque curve. There are plenty of 300's running
1700-1800 rpms(in OD) at 60 nowdays.

On the mileage issue: As long as your in the torque curve for your
engine, rpms are the single most important factor for mileage. I've
read several tests where they've tried everything(cam, intake,
exhaust tuning) to affect mileage and no factor was as significant
as rpms. Why do you think all the mgfs are using overgeared final
ratios to meet federal mileage mandates?

Danny

> I would not expect a 15% increase in MPG. It would be
> helpful to know the torque curve and hp curves for
> your truck. 3.55s may actually put you out of your
> powerband, possibly causing your engine to work harder
> at hiway speeds, negating any potential MPG gains. I
> would think 4.10s for a 300 would be sweet, but I have
> no hard data to back that up. However, the 300's
> strength is low-end torque so it may still pull well
> at lower RPMs on the hiway.
> If you do determine that lower rpms will help your
> MPG go to a larger tire instead of 3.55s. You said a
> 30" tire, what exactly is the measurement on the
> sidewall and/or how did you measure it? If you have,
> say a 30x9.50 could you get away w/a 31x10.50 or even
> a 32x11.50? Sorry, I don't know what will fit a 2wd.
> As a 4wd guy, it seems blashphemy to me to want to go
> FROM 4.10s TO 3.55s! Larger tires will create an
> overdrive effect for much less hassle than changing
> out your complete axle (although granted it ain't that
> hard), but tires may be far more expensive if you've
> found the new axle for real cheap.
> I'll stop rambling now.
>
> Keith L.
>
> - --- Dave Borkman gsosun1.gso.uri.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a 1987 f150, 300 fi 6 cylinder, 2wd with
> > NP435 transmission and
> > 4.10 gears. With 30 inch tires I turn about 2900 rpm
> > at 60 mph, and am
> > getting 14 to 16 mpg average.
> >
> > I can get a used replacement rear axle with 3.55
> > gears. If I did the math
> > right, that should drop my 60 mph rpm's to about
> > 2500. Do you think that
> > this change will result in much of an improvement in
> > fuel econonomy? That
> > is, if rpm's drop about 15%, will mpg increase 15%
> > as well? What mpg do
> > others with a similar setup get?


Danny
fitz011 ev1.net
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:26:46 -0600
From: Steve Deis attglobal.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 fuel filters

Some other part numbers...for the high pressure pump, FRAM G3802A; for
the reservoir/cannister element, WIX 3326A.

I try to change mine every 1000-1500 gallons of gas...FI systems need a
lot of clean gas, and the orifices in the FI system are small compared
to a carb.

steve in tx
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:41:14 -0800 (PST)
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fan

You could just take off your fan. I did this and the engine hasn't gotten
over the normal range of temperature on the gauge, if the thermostat is
working alright, which it should be since i just put in a new one with my
water pump. Seems like it pulls a little better. mpg gain? not sure yet,
going to check when tan is empty. ALOT quieter up front too.

DK





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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:05:06 EST
From: Awfanning aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Gear ratio and MPG?

Dave wrote:
< others with a similar setup get?>>

Boy, I wish it were that simple. I'd be getting 25 mpg with my OD manual
trans and 2.73 rear axle!

The problem is that most of the engine power is going into pushing that barn
we drive thru the wind, not in mechanical losses in the engine. However,
based on my experience with an instantaneous mileage readout when my truck
was much younger, you would certainly see an improvement in mileage of some
kind. I found that at 60-65 mph I would get a consistent improvement in
instantaneous mpg when in 4th gear (~0.73:1 ratio) vs 3rd gear (1:1). In my
truck this corresponds roughly to 1500 rpm vs 2000 rpm. So, even at 2500 rpm
I'd say you're well above the sweet spot for mileage. On the other hand, my
truck is slower than molasses in January...


Alan Fanning
San Jose
'82 F-150 S'Cab
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:05:13 EST
From: Awfanningaol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tranny Grease Change

Duane wrote:
<>

I believe I have the same tranny in my '82 F-150. It's been a while since I
last flushed it, but from memory...you should find a fill port on one side of
the case, about half way up. Also, there is a drain plug at the bottom (of
course). You have to use a pump to fill - it's full when the fluid starts
pouring out the hole. I believe it takes GL-5 gear lube, 75-90w. If you
need further assistance I can crawl under the truck this weekend and take a
photo of the pertinent parts.

Alan Fanning
San Jose
'82 F-150 S'Cab
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:19:41 EST
From: RQTHOMSONaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD

The only problem I had was shuddering when going into torque converter
lock-up. this was solved with fluid change (including draining & refilling
torque converter) twice.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:41:58 EST
From: RiTruckGuyaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tranny Grease change

Removing the bottom output shaft cover bolt will allow the tranny to
drain....the fill hole is on the right side of the case about halfway
up...just fill it to that point.

Bill
'97 F150 SC 4X4 4.6L
'82 F100 Flareside 4.9L
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:47:17 -0600
From: "ab" uab.campuscwix.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Trailer Hitch

I'm putting a Draw-Tite hitch on a '96 F-250. The frame where it
attaches seems kinda narrow for drilling 1/2" holes. Centering it as
best as I can puts the holes close to the edge of the frame. I'd put a
ball on the bumper but it is high and would result in the trailer being
at an odd angle. Will it hold if it's drilled and carries 4k lbs?
Thanks, BillG



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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:06:02 -0500
From: "Jason Netherland" cloh.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trailer Hitch

I put a Draw-Tite hitch on my '96 F-150 (or rather I had Ziebart to do it).
It wasn't welded, but it was bolted. It holds my boat trailer weighing in
at around 4,000 lbs. I think it should hold.

Jason

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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:58:10 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: LISTS AND WEB SITE WILL GO DOWN!

Now that I've got everyone's attention!

Ford Truck Enthusiasts will be completing (hopefully) its move
to its new dedicated server this weekend. There WILL be an
interruption of service. Depending on how long it takes your
ISP's DNS server to receive IP updates, you will lose access
to FTE's web site and email lists for 24-72 hours. Anything
sent to the lists or posted to the web site may be lost during
this time. This is unavoidable since we do not host our own
DNS server.

Please be patient during this time. Don't ask questions about
when FTE will be back up or ask about the status. This will
only interrupt me and make it take longer. Some services on
the site may have minor glitches (ie, bugs) during the course
of the next week. The chat engine will be down for about a week.

After the changes, you can expect faster mail delivery, and
a ****much**** fast web site. The transition will start
early Saturday morning.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:52:32 EST
From: "Fordtrucks 15" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - truck opinion

Hey guys, I have a general question. I was looking in the classifieds
and came across a '89 F-250 XLT 4x4 with a 460, it has about 130K on the
original engine, the guy's only asking $2200 for it. It kinda sounds to good
to be true. Should I consider making him an offer? I was worried about the
mileage, and was wondering if any of you guys had any experience with high
miles on a 460, I'm kinda worried about gas mileage and overall
dependability. It'll just be used for going to work everyday, and pulling
the occasional deer out. Thanks guys. Jeff.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:03:00 -0800
From: "Leo Mosley" pacificcoast.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 Front Brakes

Thanks to all for the tips on removing my Front Brake calipers. This mailing
list is invaluable!
Cheers Leo

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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:22:21 -0800 (PST)
From: docsterwebtv.net (Delvis Teruel Jr Teruel)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0 headers

I guy I work with just offered me a set of factory headers off of his
'91 'stang for free. Being on a budget, it's tempting, but I'm curious
if anyone has done this swap and if the exhaust will even bolt right up?

Lotsa love Da docster

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