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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone
FTE 80-96 - Shudder
RE: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone
RE: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone
FTE 80-96 - fuel pumps, etc.
RE: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone
FTE 80-96 - Which Manual Trans. for 86 F250 2wd w/6.9 Diesel
Re: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Louisianna seizures
Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.....
FTE 80-96 - Oil filters
Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone
FTE 80-96 - Tranny Grease change
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan/electric fans...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil filters
FTE 80-96 - Electric fans
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan/electric fans...
FTE 80-96 - Gear ratio and MPG?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan/electric fans...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans
FTE 80-96 - E4OD
FTE 80-96 - Oil Filters
FTE 80-96 - snow
FTE 80-96 - snow
Re: FTE 80-96 - snow
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)
FTE 80-96 - Fans
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear ratio and MPG?

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:07:11 -0600
From: Bill G beapsy1.his.uab.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone

Could be the pump. Usually you can see a residue trail below the shaft if it is.
But I have a dumb question: Why would you wanna live somewhere where it gets
- -122F :-) ?

Jeff Fairbairn wrote:

> Here is a dumb question. My '96 F-150 is leaking coolant but appears to only
> happen when the truck warms up. Could the water pump leak more when the
> motor heats up? It takes a long time to heat up in the yard because it
> was -50 Celsius last night. When I use the pressure tester I do not see any
> leaks. The engine bay is covered in coolant because the fan throwing it
> everywhere.
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:18:19 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Shudder

I have a feeling that the transmission in my 85 F150 I6-300 is about to go
South but it could be something else. If anyone has an opinion, please
respond.
There is a noticeable shudder all over the truck when I accelerate. As soon
as I let off of the gas the shudder stops. Now, I recently replaced the
water temp sensor and I know the truck needs a timing adjustment as
evidenced by the lack of power on hills, but I can't imagine poor timing is
causing this problem. Besides, when the truck is in neutral I can rev it up
or let it idle and it runs fine. Not perfect, but no noticeable misses.
Any comments will be appreciated.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:50:31 -0500
From: Jarl Skogsholm esgear.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone

- -50 Celsius = -68 Fahrenheit

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill G [mailto:bgarrett beapsy1.his.uab.edu]

Could be the pump. Usually you can see a residue trail below the shaft if it
is.
But I have a dumb question: Why would you wanna live somewhere where it gets
- -122F :-) ?

Jeff Fairbairn wrote:

> It takes a long time to heat up in the yard because it was -50 Celsius
last night.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:02:05 -0600
From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone

Once you get to a certain "depth" of temperature, it's just too d^mn cold,
anyway, eh.

At 09:50 AM 1-19-2000 -0500, you wrote:
>-50 Celsius = -68 Fahrenheit
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill G [mailto:bgarrett beapsy1.his.uab.edu]
>
>Could be the pump. Usually you can see a residue trail below the shaft if it
>is.
>But I have a dumb question: Why would you wanna live somewhere where it gets
>-122F :-) ?
>
>Jeff Fairbairn wrote:
>
> > It takes a long time to heat up in the yard because it was -50 Celsius
>last night.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:21:26 -0600
From: BAH NWC.EDU
Subject: FTE 80-96 - fuel pumps, etc.

>On my 1986 5L FI with dual tanks, I have the dual function
>reservoir in Mike's left photo, the high pressure fuel pump
>in the middle, but no fuel filter after the high pressure
>pump. Just a long fuel line that goes up the the fuel rail
>on the engine.

>Did Ford place a filter in the dual function reservoir on
>some trucks?

>Mark Salvetti
>1986 F150

Yes. My late-production '86 (also a 5.0 w/FI) has the dual low-pressure in-tank
pumps with the dual-function (passive
switching) resevoir, frame mounted high-pressure pump, AND
a factory installed in-line fuel filter on the frame rail
just forward of the high-pressure pump.

There were early problems with the cannister filters getting
plugged up...a lot of dealers just removed the filter element.
(I've never checked to see if mine still has one.)

Since you don't have an in-line filter, just replace the
canister element.

Bruce Hanson
'86 F-150
Apple Valley, MN


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:26:06 -0600
From: kb9odg.mark juno.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)

Could it be that when you switch from the front tank to the rear tank,
the front tank pump isn't shutting off? Just offering a suggestion.

- - Mark Reimers KB9ODG
'66 Bronco 170 I-6, 3-speed, 3.5" suspension lift, 3" body lift, 35"
tires ...
'87 F-150 XLT 4x2 300 I-6, 4-speed, two working fuel tanks!(finally)

> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:47:29 -0500
> From: "Michael R. Dunbar" vtc.vsc.edu>
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)
>
> I'm curious as to how it could be the in-tank fuel pump, the source
> of the
> whirring sound is eminating from underneath the cab of the truck,
> leading me
> to believe it was the the resevoir that is malfunctioning.
>
> Mike Dunbar
> 89 F-150 XLT Lariat
> White River Jct., Vermont
>
> "Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"
>
> Pet Peeve of a Goldfish:
> "Just because I have a three-second memory, they don't think I'll
> mind
> eating the same fish flakes ... Oh boy! Fish flakes!"
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:00:54 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone

> Here is a dumb question. My '96 F-150 is leaking coolant but appears to
> only
> happen when the truck warms up. Could the water pump leak more when the
> motor heats up? It takes a long time to heat up in the yard because it
> was -50 Celsius last night. When I use the pressure tester I do not see
> any
> leaks. The engine bay is covered in coolant because the fan throwing it
> everywhere.

Let me tell you when a water pump seal starts failing it can leak
when it damn well wants to.

Seen them leak nothing during normal driving then seap a little
when the engine cools.

Seen them leak nothing in the driveway(warmed up or cool) and
then after driving, have coolant sprayed everywhere like yours.

Seen them not leak anything when your looking for it and then
when you forget it, the entire seal goes.

They may leak a little for 6 mos or blow completely tommorrow.

My attitude towards water pump seal leaks are, "that little SOB is
just *waiting* for me to be out in boonies and then really blow".

Change that thing. Your currently washing out whatever bearing
lube was there and then the bearing w/accept hot coolant as a lube
for a while. Then its bearing lockup w/overheating and a
broken/screeching belt.
Danny
fitz011 ev1.net
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:28:16 +500
From: "Bob Berto" somerset-nj.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Which Manual Trans. for 86 F250 2wd w/6.9 Diesel

Hello all.

I have a 1986 F250 extended cab 2wd with the 6.9 Diesel.
I currently have the Auto Trans, but am considering changing
to a manual. Could those knowledgable in the different
transmissions from that time period comment on the various
transmission/model/engine permutations (w/part numbers)?

There were quite a few F150s delivered with the 300ci six
and 5 speed that may be readily available. Were there multiple manual transmissions
(light/heavy duty ) ?

Has anyone done such a transplant ? Is the pivot (mounting)point for the clutch
pedal present but unused in AT models ?

Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge.

Bob Berto
Somerset, NJ

1986 F250 XLT Lariat Extended Cab 2wd Diesel
1978 Mercedes 300D
1982 Honda CX500 Custom
1975 BMW R90S
( non-operational toys excluded )


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:51:05 -0800
From: Pat Murphy lehigh.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)

Mike, I believe that the whirring is caused by the absence of enough
fuel pressure at the inlet of the high pressure fuel pump-you are
starving the pump so it is protesting.

"Michael R. Dunbar" wrote:
>
> I'm curious as to how it could be the in-tank fuel pump, the source of the
> whirring sound is eminating from underneath the cab of the truck, leading me
> to believe it was the the resevoir that is malfunctioning.
>
> Mike Dunbar
> 89 F-150 XLT Lariat
> White River Jct., Vermont
>
> "Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"
>
> Pet Peeve of a Goldfish:
> "Just because I have a three-second memory, they don't think I'll mind
> eating the same fish flakes ... Oh boy! Fish flakes!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Pat Murphy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:04 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)
>
> Hi Mike,
> As stated already it sounds like the rear tank fuel pump. I have been
> told that its a real pain in the butt, drop the tank, inspect it for
> rust at the top near the fill tube. This would be an ideal time for the
> sender replacement if you have that common problem also. You may have
> to replace the tank strap-they rust up.
> I just got home from a vacation in Vermont and stayed in White River
> Junction- small world. Good luck.
>
> Pat Murphy
> 89 F-250 4WD
> Iron Dog
>
> "Michael R. Dunbar" wrote:
> >
> > Pardon my language when I say it was damn cold last night. Here in Vermont
> > it snowed early in the day, and then dropped into the teens with a nasty
> > windchill somewhere around -40 to -60. I was driving back to school from
> > home and my heater stopped working, mostly due to the fact that my engine
> > cut out in the middle of an intersection. While driving on the interstate,
> I
> > was running on the rear tank and it stalled about 4 times, somewhere
> around
> > 2000 on my tach, I was in 4th gear.
> >
> > I've noticed recently that there was something strange, but am not sure
> > where to start in an attempt to fix things. My truck runs perfect when
> using
> > the front tank, unfortunately, it was bone dry last night, but when using
> > the rear tank, there is an audible "whirring" sound coming from the
> vicinity
> > of the reservoir/pressure pump, etc area under the truck. 9 times out of
> 10
> > when driving on this tank, it performs sluggishly as if I'm trying to
> start
> > in 5th gear from a dead stop, usually I can get going if I clutch in and
> > hammer the gas up to 3000-4000 rpm and let the clutch out (typically
> leaving
> > more rubber on the road than on my wheels) Usually I can run fine on the
> > interstate with this tank, until last night.... When I first started to
> > notice this issue, my first thought was that I had water in my tank, dry
> gas
> > seemed to work. I need to get this fixed ASAP, help on the manner would be
> > appreciated, I don't want to be stuck in the middle of nowhere again.
> > Thankfully I had my cell phone to call home and have help drive up with
> gas,
> > and a friendly passerby driving a 98 F-150 4x4 (just thought I should
> > mention that) towed me off the road to a pulloff spot, ironically, across
> > the street from a Mobil station.... CLOSED of course.
> >
> > This link points to my webpage which has pictures of the underside of my
> > truck I took about a month ago to possibly help point me what to do.
> >
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/mdunbar420/fuel.htm
> >
> > Again, thanks.
> >
> > Mike Dunbar
> > 89 F-150 XLT Lariat
> > White River Jct., Vermont
> >
> > "Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"
> >
> > Pet Peeve of a Goldfish:
> > "Just because I have a three-second memory, they don't think I'll mind
> > eating the same fish flakes ... Oh boy! Fish flakes!"
> >
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:04:10 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Louisianna seizures

In a message dated 1/18/00 9:45:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
budsurette hotmail.com writes:

<< Louisiana is the exception, not the rule. The 49 other states are based
on
English common law, whereas Louisiana is based on 18th century French law
from when napoleon's empire owned the land. >>


Sorry but not true. Volusia County (Daytona Beach area) Florida has been
fighting lawsuits over just this same kinda thing for over 5 years now. One
such case is where a man took a gambling cruise and won over 15,000 dollars.
Since the old guy didn't believe in banks, he got the CASH money in wrapped
sets and put them in a suitcase and hid it in the spare tire well of the
rental car to get it home. Volusia County stopped him and he and his wife
were subjected to military style interrogation and incarceration for 3 days
before a lawyer could get them out. THEN they couldn't leave the area to go
home until their court date. All told it COST them $8,000 for their drive
home, including legal fees. I haven't heard if their case was ruled on yet by
the Florida Supreme court, but it wasn't looking to favorable due to the fact
that this style of Gestapo law enforcement actually lucked out and has scored
some major quantities of drugs, though those stops have been few and far
between.
My .02
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:59:46 PST
From: "Donald Porto" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.....

Sorry to add to the off topic, but this is important folks! THIS IS NOT
LIMITED TO LOUISIANNA! This has been going on for quite a while all over
the United States. Our government is on a feeding frenzy with respect to
profiting on Civil Asset Forfeiture. Recently the US House of
Representatives passed bill HR.1658 known as the Hyde ammendment by a vote
of 375 to 48. That bill seeks to reform these abuses. Unfortunately this
effort is stalled in the Senate. Two substitute bills S.1701 (a fraud) and
S.1931 (inadequate) are under consideration. Please write your Senators and
ask them to (1) oppose S. 1701, (2) support S. 1931 only if it is improved
with amendments restoring the reforms of the Hyde bill - HR 1658.

For more information on this topic, there is a website "Forfeiture Endangers
American Rights" http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://fear.org/

/Thanks for listening to my $.02
Don Porto



>From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" ee.lsu.edu>
>Reply-To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
>To: <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.....
>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:33:31 -0600
>
>(Snip).................
>
>"From: les williams cyber.net.au>
>
> > I apologize for this not being strictly a ford question, but it must
> > involve a lot of fords, and I think it would be fair to say most people
> > on this list are from the 'real' world, and would know political/media
> > B**l S*it when you see it. - You can always reply to me directly.
> >
> > In a letter to the editor section of the local motorists magazine, (Open
> > Road, P6) about an ABC Dateline program................
> .
> 'Police in small towns like Sulfur, Louisiana, seize cars travelling
>on Interstate 10 on the thinnest of pretexts. Louisiana judges get 20%
>of all property they order seized. Not suprisingly, travellers now avoid
>the State, and the tourism is suffering.......'and so the article
>continues in not what I would call a very complimentary manner, towards
>the constabulary, and system of justice in the state of Louisiana.
>Is this true of any state?
>Is this possible?"...........................(snip)
>
>
>Sorry about the off-topic post, so I'll keep it short.
>
>Although true, this is OLD (~2 years ago) news. They (the locals) were
>supposed to be 'PROFILING' vehicles looking for drug courriers, and were
>caught abusing the system. The WHOLE bunch (judge included) has been taken
>to task and Sulphur, along with other small towns along the I-10
>interstate,
>has cleaned up their act. LA NEEDS TOURISM !!!!!
>
>BTW...........Law Enforcement continues to 'PROFILE' traffic on I-10 (and
>other interstates) 'cause it's a MAJOR distribution conduit for drugs
>coming
>in from Southern US borders. (FLA, LA, TX, CA) You would be astounded at
>the
>amount of 'product' local and state authorities have seized since they
>started profiling. Properly administered, the proceeds from these seizures
>relieve the taxpayer (you and me!) of some of the cost of interdiction 8^>
>
>Smeck........ 87 F-150 in Baton Rouge, LA
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:53:10 -0500
From: "Mahaffey, Chris M" ch.etn.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil filters

I just learned something interesting when contacting Mobil about a problem
I'm having with the oil in my 95 Cougar. They suspect a filter problem and
had me call Champion, the company which manufactures the Mobil 1 filter.
During my conversation with them I learned that they manufactured the
original filter for that car, and he said it was very similar to the Mobil 1
filter. He also said that they do not manufacture the Motorcraft brand
replacement filter. It seems that buying Motorcraft parts does not
guarentee an exact OEM replacement. Maybe some of you already knew this but
it was a surprise to me.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:16:12 -0700
From: Robert Humble qmail.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone

At 07:32 PM 1/18/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Here is a dumb question. My '96 F-150 is leaking coolant but appears to only
>happen when the truck warms up. Could the water pump leak more when the
>motor heats up? It takes a long time to heat up in the yard because it
>was -50 Celsius last night. When I use the pressure tester I do not see any
>leaks. The engine bay is covered in coolant because the fan throwing it
>everywhere.

I had a dissimilar problem with coolant leak. It showed up only when
cold. I have someplace about a half mile away I have to go once a week or
so. One morning I noticed coolant leaking from the front of the engine and
dripping on the pavement. When I got home, and had some daylight, I looked
for the leak. Couldn't find it. Coolant here and there, from the fan, but
no apparent source. I checked for drips for a week, nothing. Then same
symptom, same place. Hmmmm. Finally I found a very small leak from the
upper radiator hose connection. It is under the air intake on this 93 E350
460; the intake had to be removed to see the leak. The hose clamp was a
bit loose. I surmise that it leaked when cold, but quit when the coolant
and hence the hose and metal on the radiator pipe warmed up and expanded.

Now, I know that's no help, except as an example that coolant leaks can
come and go with coolant temperature.

Bob


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:56:46 -0500
From: "duane" ibm.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tranny Grease change

I have a SROD 4 speed in my 84 F-150 300-6. I would like to change the oil
in there for 75-90w ( there is a really heavy grade in it now.) Is this a
easy task to do re: is there a drain plug at the bottom for this express
purpose and a filler plug on top? I can not find anything in the haynes
manual about this tranny that helps.

Duane Brosky
84 F-150 300-6
West Chester PA


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:25:57 -0600
From: Steve Randa ch-advertising.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan/electric fans...

When I converted to a serpentine setup I got a HD Police clutch from
PPI. They sell Special Service (Police) Mustang Parts.

Steve Randa

ACMERCGaol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 01/18/2000 5:21:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> ESneedreil.com writes:
>
> << Flex fans also don't work very well if you plan on doing any rock crawling
> or any other situation that calls for low speed high rpm's. >>
>
> I converted to electric fans about a year ago and haven't had a problem
> since...
>
> Joe
> lost in jersey
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:45:10 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" sol.ee.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil filters

Hey Chris, Check out the oil filter comparisons at-
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilters.html

Smeck


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From: Mahaffey, Chris M ch.etn.com>
To: Ford truck list (E-mail) <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 1:53 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil filters


> I just learned something interesting when contacting Mobil about a problem
> I'm having with the oil in my 95 Cougar. They suspect a filter problem
and
> had me call Champion, the company which manufactures the Mobil 1 filter.
> During my conversation with them I learned that they manufactured the
> original filter for that car, and he said it was very similar to the Mobil
1
> filter. He also said that they do not manufacture the Motorcraft brand
> replacement filter. It seems that buying Motorcraft parts does not
> guarentee an exact OEM replacement. Maybe some of you already knew this >
but it was a surprise to me.



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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:34:29 -0500
From: sliknessmindspring.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans

I swapped out my 300 I6 for a 351W and put twin 12" electric fans on my radiator to clean up the appearance and gain HP. I've been reading the fan thread and wanted to add my 2 cents worth. First, can anyone tell my why an altenator would pull harder with electrical components turned on? I've had altenators apart and there are no areas that I would see that would tend to drag with additional current requirements. The only thing I could think of would be a change in the magnetic flux that resists the turning of the armature. (???)

Also, you do need to have some type of thermostat control. Mine is mounted in the upper radiator hose inlet to the radiator and I'm not happy with it. It's difficult to keep it from leaking and I do not believe it gives me a good range for the fans to turn on and off. My fan switch also connects to the A/C compressor so that the fans will turn on when the compressor is running. (I currently don't use that connection.) And the switch has a third option of being able to hook up a manual switch to turn on the fans before the thermostat kicks them in. This is useful after stopping for a bit and taking off again with the engine already warm to hot and the fans don't turn on until the thermostat opens again. (a few minutes difference).

I would suggest purchasing a fan switch that has a thermostat that screws into the water jacket in the intake manifold or head. This should give a better and quicker indication of the need to have the fans running.

Also, I read where a stock fan will move around 5,000 cfm of air. My twin 12" fans only move about 2,800. And, while they seem to cool fairly well, I plan on switching them out this summer of 2 14" Perma-cool fans that move about 2,950 cfm of air each and switch my temp control to the intake cross over.

Also, the shroud is needed for stock fans to cover the entire radiator surface since the fan is set back 3-5" from the radiator and the fan is usually only about 16" in diameter against a radiator that is 19" X 28". Unless you can move the electric fans away from the radiator, the shroud does not do any good. And I agree, you need to cover as much of the radiator surface area as possible with your electric fans. The ideal is to get a high cfm fan that mounts in a shroud made for your radiator that sits about 3" away from the radiator. I would think that this would be as efficient at cooling as a stock driven fan.

Last, I believe after reading the many posts on this subject, that the electric fans will save at least 5 HP over the stock driven fans. Even though the altenator will pull a little harder, if the altenator is sized adequately, you will not lose as many horses as the water pump driven fans. And, you do lose 4-5 lbs of overall weight and should make your water pump a little more efficient. (?)

Slik

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:57:49 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" sol.ee.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan/electric fans...

Steve, Is the HD Police clutch a Motorcraft part?? How can I get in touch
with PPI?

Smeck 87F150/302/T18

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> When I converted to a serpentine setup I got a HD Police clutch from
> PPI. They sell Special Service (Police) Mustang Parts.
>
> Steve Randa



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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:04:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Dave Borkman gsosun1.gso.uri.edu>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gear ratio and MPG?

Hi all,

I have a 1987 f150, 300 fi 6 cylinder, 2wd with NP435 transmission and
4.10 gears. With 30 inch tires I turn about 2900 rpm at 60 mph, and am
getting 14 to 16 mpg average.

I can get a used replacement rear axle with 3.55 gears. If I did the math
right, that should drop my 60 mph rpm's to about 2500. Do you think that
this change will result in much of an improvement in fuel econonomy? That
is, if rpm's drop about 15%, will mpg increase 15% as well? What mpg do
others with a similar setup get?

Thanks,
Dave Borkman
Narragansett, RI
87 f150

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:59:38 -0600
From: Steve Randa ch-advertising.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan/electric fans...

Yes, it is a Ford part. They say it's not for use with A/C but mine
hasn't given me a bit of trouble. Besides...I don't think the police sat
in their vehicles without the air blowin' cold.

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Steve

Steve Schmeckpeper wrote:
>
> Steve, Is the HD Police clutch a Motorcraft part?? How can I get in touch
> with PPI?
>
> Smeck 87F150/302/T18
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Randa ch-advertising.com>
>
> > When I converted to a serpentine setup I got a HD Police clutch from
> > PPI. They sell Special Service (Police) Mustang Parts.
> >
> > Steve Randa
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:28:36 -0800
From: donneomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans

> From owner-80-96-listford-trucks.com Wed Jan 19 13:52 PST 2000
> From: sliknessmindspring.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:34:29 -0500
> To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans
> X-Originating-IP: 192.76.82.65
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>
> I swapped out my 300 I6 for a 351W and put twin 12" electric fans on my radiator to clean up the appearance and gain HP. I've been reading the fan thread and wanted to add my 2 cents worth. First, can anyone tell my why an altenator would pull harder with electrical components turned on? I've had altenators apart and there are no areas that I would see that would tend to drag with additional current requirements. The only thing I could think of would be a change in the magnetic flux that resists the turning of the armature. (???)
- -- Exactly correct. If you hook two DC motor shafts together so that one drives the other and then power
one, they will run at full speed. If you then short the wires of the driven motor (which is acting as a
generator), they will slow down significantly.

>
> Also, you do need to have some type of thermostat control. Mine is mounted in the upper radiator hose inlet to the radiator and I'm not happy with it. It's difficult to keep it from leaking and I do not believe it gives me a good range for the fans to turn on and off. My fan switch also connects to the A/C compressor so that the fans will turn on when the compressor is running. (I currently don't use that connection.) And the switch has a third option of being able to hook up a manual switch to turn on the fans before the thermostat kicks them in. This is useful after stopping for a bit and taking off again with the engine already warm to hot and the fans don't turn on until the thermostat opens again. (a few minutes difference).
- -- My fan is directly wired so it's always on. I know it's inefficient, but it was that way when I
bought it & in California it would probably be on most of the time anyway.

>
> I would suggest purchasing a fan switch that has a thermostat that screws into the water jacket in the intake manifold or head. This should give a better and quicker indication of the need to have the fans running.
>
> Also, I read where a stock fan will move around 5,000 cfm of air. My twin 12" fans only move about 2,800. And, while they seem to cool fairly well, I plan on switching them out this summer of 2 14" Perma-cool fans that move about 2,950 cfm of air each and switch my temp control to the intake cross over.

- -- It seems to me that the fan only needs to be on when the radiator is hot. An engine-mounted fan thermostat
would turn on the fan before the water began flowing to the radiator. This would probably only make a difference
in a very cold climate where the engine would be hot but the radiator would be cooled enough just by the
external air flow. Actually, it may not need to be that cold outside for this to happen, I'm not sure.
>
> Also, the shroud is needed for stock fans to cover the entire radiator surface since the fan is set back 3-5" from the radiator and the fan is usually only about 16" in diameter against a radiator that is 19" X 28". Unless you can move the electric fans away from the radiator, the shroud does not do any good. And I agree, you need to cover as much of the radiator surface area as possible with your electric fans. The ideal is to get a high cfm fan that mounts in a shroud made for your radiator that sits about 3" away from the radiator. I would think that this would be as efficient at cooling as a stock driven fan.
- -- If you put a puller fan on the rear of the radiator, you will do better with a shroud. If you put a pusher
fan on the front, you don't need a shroud. The disadvantage to a no-shroud pusher is that the hot
air flow is uncontrolled and you have to watch that your intake isn't sucking in hot air.
>
> Last, I believe after reading the many posts on this subject, that the electric fans will save at least 5 HP over the stock driven fans. Even though the altenator will pull a little harder, if the altenator is sized adequately, you will not lose as many horses as the water pump driven fans. And, you do lose 4-5 lbs of overall weight and should make your water pump a little more efficient. (?)
- -- No idea here. With an electric fan, you are converting mechanical energy to electrical (alternator) and then
back to mechanical (fan) so there will be some energy loss, but it's probably mice nuts. My gut feeling is that
the stock metal fans have a lot of inertia to overcome while the plastic flex fans would be less of a load.
With an electric fan, the load is constant and is all dedicated to moving air. With a mechanical fan, some
energy is always lost to get the fan mass moving. So my guess would be that an electric fan is better during
acceleration while the two types would be about the same at a constant speed, assuming they both move the
same amount of air, which is probably never true.

>
> Slik

- -- Don
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:45:09 -0800
From: donneomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans

> >
> > Also, the shroud is needed for stock fans to cover the entire radiator surface since the fan is set back 3-5" from the radiator and the fan is usually only about 16" in diameter against a radiator that is 19" X 28". Unless you can move the electric fans away from the radiator, the shroud does not do any good. And I agree, you need to cover as much of the radiator surface area as possible with your electric fans. The ideal is to get a high cfm fan that mounts in a shroud made for your radiator that sits about 3" away from the radiator. I would think that this would be as efficient at cooling as a stock driven fan.
> -- If you put a puller fan on the rear of the radiator, you will do better with a shroud. If you put a pusher
> fan on the front, you don't need a shroud. The disadvantage to a no-shroud pusher is that the hot
> air flow is uncontrolled and you have to watch that your intake isn't sucking in hot air.

- ----- One other thought, pusher fans on the front won't cover the entire radiator surface.
With a puller fan, if it's not in direct contact with the radiator, you definitely
need a shroud. Also, the front of the shroud should cover the entire radiator while
the rear of the shroud should be a very close fit around the fan. Any slop around
the fan will let air in from the sides and decrease the pull of air through the
radiator.


> >
>
> -- Don
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:29:52 -0800
From: "Pinson" speakeasy.org>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD

Just wanted to know if anyone has ever experienced a problem with Teeth
rattling shifts with the E4OD tranny? Mine started shifting ultra hard this
week and I don't have a clue what might cause this

Britt Pinson
pinsonspeakeasy.org

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:55:19 -0500
From: "Theodore D. Mills" martnet.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil Filters

I'm not sure if the Oil Filter discussion was here or on the Off Road list
(I'm sure someone will let me know...) but I have a question.

Since that thread got going I have stopped buying Fram Filters and switched
to Motorcraft. They seem to be almost the same price at Walmart anyhow...

This past weekend I used the last of the Frams I had "in stock". Behind
them on the shelf I found about 6 Fram HP1 filters that I got about 5 years
ago.
Where I work they used them for ATF filters on busses. Since the busses
they were used on were being retired, they cleaned out the storeroom and
set the pallet load of filters out in the shop to be picked up and
"disposed" of. Since nobody came to get them for several weeks, by the
time someone came to get them there were maybe 3 left out of a pile of 6
filter cases 4ft x 4ft x 4ft high!

Anybody that owned a Ford got free filters.

The boxes are labeled "Fram A Bendix company" or something like that. The
curent junk is labeled Allied Signal.

What I want to know is are these the "good" ones since they are that old?

I was saving them for my Mustang.....assuming I get that project finished
before I die....





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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:14:04 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - snow

getting ready for the so called big snow, have a f150 2 wheel drive. it
stinks in wet conditions, even rain, would it be best to put cinder blocks
in the bed? and if so how many about?
Scottie
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:26:28 EST
From: PSales264aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - snow

If you do, PLEASE build a strong wooden box to keep them in .one that can't
move forward incaseof an emergency stop. If you stop fast ie.quick red light,
back of car in front of you, the blocks could fly forward and hurt you in the
back. even through the wall of the truck 300 to 400 lb. should do it good
luck PHIL
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:48:31 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - snow

Rather then blocks which become dangerous missiles in a panic stop or
accident, why not try 40 lb bags of sand. That gives you the weight for
the drive wheels plus if you get stuck, break open the bags to put sand
under the wheels for traction...




Scottie Schmidt wrote:
>
> getting ready for the so called big snow, have a f150 2 wheel drive. it
> stinks in wet conditions, even rain, would it be best to put cinder blocks
> in the bed? and if so how many about?
> Scottie
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:16:43 -0500
From: "Mark Salvetti" mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)

><< ......the fuel return problem is back. There's
>nothing about this in Haynes, and I haven't found a parts store that has a
>listing for this filter. Anyone know what's up with this?
> >>
>
>NAPA lists 2 fuel filters for that application, one is for the in-line
>filter, the other is for the canister type: part# 3268

That's great news! I guess I didn't look hard enough.

Thank you very much,

Mark Salvetti
1986 F150


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:09:26 -0800
From: "S.Harkema" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fans

>Flex fans also don't work very well if you plan on doing any rock >crawling or any other situation that calls for low speed high rpm's.

Or towing ie 35 MPH up a hill at 3000 RPM with a flat fan.
Went to the clutch and I am very pleased.

>BTW, why would you run high rpms while rock crawling?

Even a Ford won't idle over everything!
My rock crawling friends all run electric fans.Has more to do with
fan -fan shroud conflicts and the ability to turn fan off in water
crossings than cooling problems tho.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:34:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Lawyer yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear ratio and MPG?

I would not expect a 15% increase in MPG. It would be
helpful to know the torque curve and hp curves for
your truck. 3.55s may actually put you out of your
powerband, possibly causing your engine to work harder
at hiway speeds, negating any potential MPG gains. I
would think 4.10s for a 300 would be sweet, but I have
no hard data to back that up. However, the 300's
strength is low-end torque so it may still pull well
at lower RPMs on the hiway.
If you do determine that lower rpms will help your
MPG go to a larger tire instead of 3.55s. You said a
30" tire, what exactly is the measurement on the
sidewall and/or how did you measure it? If you have,
say a 30x9.50 could you get away w/a 31x10.50 or even
a 32x11.50? Sorry, I don't know what will fit a 2wd.
As a 4wd guy, it seems blashphemy to me to want to go
FROM 4.10s TO 3.55s! Larger tires will create an
overdrive effect for much less hassle than changing
out your complete axle (although granted it ain't that
hard), but tires may be far more expensive if you've
found the new axle for real cheap.
I'll stop rambling now.

Keith L.

- --- Dave Borkman gsosun1.gso.uri.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a 1987 f150, 300 fi 6 cylinder, 2wd with
> NP435 transmission and
> 4.10 gears. With 30 inch tires I turn about 2900 rpm
> at 60 mph, and am
> getting 14 to 16 mpg average.
>
> I can get a used replacement rear axle with 3.55
> gears. If I did the math
> right, that should drop my 60 mph rpm's to about
> 2500. Do you think that
> this change will result in much of an improvement in
> fuel econonomy? That
> is, if rpm's drop about 15%, will mpg increase 15%
> as well? What mpg do
> others with a similar setup get?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Borkman
> Narragansett, RI
> 87 f150
>
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