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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - waterproofing
Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.....
FTE 80-96 - Louisianna seizures
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes
FTE 80-96 - TransX
RE: FTE 80-96 - waterproofing
RE: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - waterproofing
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: Hayden or Motorcraft?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)
Re: FTE 80-96 - TransX
RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight
Re: FTE 80-96 - TransX
Re: FTE 80-96 - TransX
RE: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)
RE: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan
RE: FTE 80-96 - waterproofing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan/electric fans...
RE: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: Hayden or Motorcraft?
[none]
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes
FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone
FTE 80-96 - Re: Fords & propane
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes
FTE 80-96 - Re: Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)
FTE 80-96 - 1/2-1 ton
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)
Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question....Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:18:56 EST
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - waterproofing

In a message dated 1/17/00 11:25:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SHarris dfwairport.com writes:

<< Any of you have any good tips on waterproofing a distributor? Seems lately
even if I sneeze near the thing it seem to get moisture in it and cuts out
until it dries itself. I remember some mention of this a while back but
couldn't recall exactly what.
>>


You can try some battery terminal and inigition sealer, you can get the stuff
at about any local autoparts store. Also, Napa carries a product called
1234, which I believe is about the same thing as WD-40. I have sprayed this
inside the cap, wiped it out a couple of times, then when I put the cap back
on, I sprayed it on the outside of the cap, and on the wires, this also
seemed to help. The second is also good way to get the moisture out of the
cap.

Stacy

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:33:31 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" ee.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.....

(Snip).................

"From: les williams cyber.net.au>

> I apologize for this not being strictly a ford question, but it must
> involve a lot of fords, and I think it would be fair to say most people
> on this list are from the 'real' world, and would know political/media
> B**l S*it when you see it. - You can always reply to me directly.
>
> In a letter to the editor section of the local motorists magazine, (Open
> Road, P6) about an ABC Dateline program................
.
'Police in small towns like Sulfur, Louisiana, seize cars travelling
on Interstate 10 on the thinnest of pretexts. Louisiana judges get 20%
of all property they order seized. Not suprisingly, travellers now avoid
the State, and the tourism is suffering.......'and so the article
continues in not what I would call a very complimentary manner, towards
the constabulary, and system of justice in the state of Louisiana.
Is this true of any state?
Is this possible?"...........................(snip)


Sorry about the off-topic post, so I'll keep it short.

Although true, this is OLD (~2 years ago) news. They (the locals) were
supposed to be 'PROFILING' vehicles looking for drug courriers, and were
caught abusing the system. The WHOLE bunch (judge included) has been taken
to task and Sulphur, along with other small towns along the I-10 interstate,
has cleaned up their act. LA NEEDS TOURISM !!!!!

BTW...........Law Enforcement continues to 'PROFILE' traffic on I-10 (and
other interstates) 'cause it's a MAJOR distribution conduit for drugs coming
in from Southern US borders. (FLA, LA, TX, CA) You would be astounded at the
amount of 'product' local and state authorities have seized since they
started profiling. Properly administered, the proceeds from these seizures
relieve the taxpayer (you and me!) of some of the cost of interdiction 8^>

Smeck........ 87 F-150 in Baton Rouge, LA


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 06:37:58 PST
From: "Michael Surette" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Louisianna seizures

Hi Les,

Louisianna is the exception, not the rule. The 49 other states are based on
english common law, whereas Louisianna is based on 18th century french law
from when napoleon's empire owned the land. This is why Louisianna is such
a unique state by allowing these things to happen. I don't know the
specific form of government in Louisianna ( such as a bicameral legislature,
how much power the governor has, and its system of checks and balances). It
sounds like the judiciary has too much unchecked power. If there is someone
on the list from Louisianna, maybe they could enlighten us.

As for travelling through Louisianna, a friend of mine works for AAA, and
AAA will not route members through certain areas of Louisianna no matter how
out of the way they have to go. If the member insists on taking the direct
route through these areas, AAA stamps the routing with a large "REQUESTED
ROUTE" stamp so as to avoid being blamed if someone gets stuck down in
Louisianna. I have heard of some pretty corrupt police departments mostly
in small towns and that it is hard to check the police powers in the state,
but again I don't specifically know why.

As for your politicians pondering the idea of letting judges get a % of
seizures, it doesn't sound like a good idea. Maybe it would work if the
judges are accountable to the people. An idea here in the states that is
gaining in popularity is having elected judges where the people can bounce
them out if they are abusing their bench.


Bud Surette
Maryland



From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.....

Hi All,
I apologize for this not being strictly a ford question, but it must
involve a lot of fords, and I think it would be fair to say most people on
this list are from the 'real' world, and would know political/media
B**l S*it when you see it. - You can always reply to me directly.

In a letter to the editor section of the local motorists magazine, (Open
Road, P6) about an ABC Dateline program exploring the abuses of the seizure
of cars of drink drivers, and other offences.
'Police in small towns like Sulfur, Louisiana, seize cars travelling on
Interstate 10 on the thinnest of pretexts. Louisiana judges get 20% of all
property they order seized. Not suprisingly, travellers now avoid the State,
and the tourism is suffering.......'and so the article
continues in not what I would call a very complimentary manner, towards the
constabulary, and system of justice in the state of Louisiana.
Is this true of any state? Is this possible?

20%??!! of the top!! Wow.... this sounds to me, like the state has the local
Mafia franchise. We're talking about the USA now, not some eastern block
country.
The reason I'm asking is, some politicians & their lackeys have just
returned from an all expenses paid junket tour to the US and have mooted the
idea, if it wins votes, then let's do to OZ.....

I'm gunna buy me one of those judges Franchises.......

We already have a 'Spin the tyres (doing donuts etc) and have the car
impounded for 90 days'...

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:40:06 -0600
From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes

At 10:01 PM 1-17-2000 -0800, you wrote:
>I am about to remove the front rotors on my 87 F150 for machining. I notice
>that the caliper securing mechanism looks like a "U" shaped piece with tabs
>on either end to hold it in place. There also seems to be a rubber filler to
>keep the piece expanded. I would assume you compress this piece in the area
>of the tabs and push it out. Does this sound right, and can the piece be
>used again?
>Thanks Leo

Yes on both accounts. Just squeeze one end together if you need to to get
it started, and gently tap it on through. You can use this piece again if
it looks alright.

Andy Norris
89 F250
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:47:57 -0600
From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TransX

I finally got around to changing my transmission fluid on Sunday. (Messy!)
When replacing the fluid, I added about 16oz. of TransX. It's only been two
days, and I have to say that it seems to make a difference. Whether it's
attributable to the TransX or just to the transfusion is unknown to me, but
the truck is dropping into drive immediately in the mornings, and other
times when the engine's cold. It's also shifting almost imperceptibly...
not the slightest jerkiness in the shifting.

I'm expecting a slight change in the mileage, just from not having to sit
in the driveway/parking lot for 10 to 45 seconds every time I start the
cold engine waiting for it to want to go forward. I will let the list know
of any changes in mpg when I fill up again (should be soon... 351 5.8L v8 :)

Thanks for that piece of advice, Smeck!

Andy Norris
89 F250 SC C6 auto 2wd

p.s. Was in Nawlins last spring, Steve, and it was sure nice to visit the
warmer climes.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:56:43 -0400
From: "Brad Watts" nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - waterproofing

You can also put a little silicone on the bottom edge of the cap before
installing. Also, the coil is an open type on your truck I believe located
next to the dist. Could this be what's acting up with moisture? Also make
sure you put that silicone grease in the ends of your plug wires before
assembly to both the cap and the plugs.

Cheers!

Brad Watts / AMT
E-mail wattsbnbnet.nb.ca
Web www.amt.nb.ca


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From: owner-80-96-listford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-80-96-listford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of MRStace84aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 9:19 AM
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - waterproofing

You can also put a little silicone on the bottom edge of the cap before
installing. Also, the coil is an open type on your truck I believe located
next to the dist. Could this be whats acting up with moisture? Also make
sure you put that silocone grease in the ends of your plug wires before assy
to both the cap and the plugs.

Cheers!

In a message dated 1/17/00 11:25:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SHarrisdfwairport.com writes:
<< Any of you have any good tips on waterproofing a distributor? Seems
lately even if I sneeze near the thing it seem to get moisture in it and
cuts out until it dries itself. I remember some mention of this a while
back but couldn't recall exactly what.
>>


You can try some battery terminal and inigition sealer, you can get the
stuff at about any local autoparts store. Also, Napa carries a product
called 1234, which I believe is about the same thing as WD-40. I have
sprayed this inside the cap, wiped it out a couple of times, then when I put
the cap back on, I sprayed it on the outside of the cap, and on the wires,
this also seemed to help. The second is also good way to get the moisture
out of the cap.
Stacy
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:01:39 -0400
From: "Brad Watts" nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes

Just drive them out with a flat punch or screw driver. (gently) They are
reusable and are reinstalled by tapping them back in. I like this setup
because you can remove the caliper in about 10 seconds!
Brad Watts / AMT
E-mail wattsbnbnet.nb.ca
Web www.amt.nb.ca


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From: owner-80-96-listford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-80-96-listford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Leo Mosley
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 2:02 AM
To: Ford Truck Mailing List/80 up
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes

I am about to remove the front rotors on my 87 F150 for machining. I notice
that the caliper securing mechanism looks like a "U" shaped piece with tabs
on either end to hold it in place. There also seems to be a rubber filler to
keep the piece expanded. I would assume you compress this piece in the area
of the tabs and push it out. Does this sound right, and can the piece be
used again?
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:36:39 -0600
From: "Dennis Thompson" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.....

Les Williams wrote..
"In a letter to the editor section of the local motorists magazine, (Open
Road, P6) about an ABC Dateline program exploring the abuses of the
seizure of cars of drink drivers, and other offences.
'Police in small towns like Sulfur, Louisiana, seize cars travelling
on Interstate 10 on the thinnest of pretexts. Louisiana judges get 20%
of all property they order seized. Not suprisingly, travellers now avoid
the State, and the tourism is suffering.......'and so the article
continues in not what I would call a very complimentary manner, towards
the constabulary, and system of justice in the state of Louisiana.Is this
possible?
Is this true of any state?"

I've lived in Louisiana for 20 years, including small towns and sadly this
and other forms of abuse run rampant.
( you wouldn't belive some of the things I've seen and heard )
Can't speak for other states but it's probably all over.

SPECTRE




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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:35:06 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - waterproofing

> Any of you have any good tips on waterproofing a distributor? Seems
> lately
> even if I sneeze near the thing it seem to get moisture in it and cuts
> out
> until it dries itself. I remember some mention of this a while back but
> couldn't recall exactly what.

They were probably talking about ignition sealer. Blue spray can ~4-
6oz.

Dielectric grease in the interior of the plug boots helps too.

However, cleaning your engine at the car wash will take the ignition
sealer right off.
Danny
fitz011ev1.net
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:35:06 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes

> I am about to remove the front rotors on my 87 F150 for machining. I
> notice
> that the caliper securing mechanism looks like a "U" shaped piece with
> tabs
> on either end to hold it in place. There also seems to be a rubber filler
> to
> keep the piece expanded. I would assume you compress this piece in the
> area
> of the tabs and push it out. Does this sound right, and can the piece be
> used again?
> Thanks Leo

Yes, thats how you get them out/in.

You can use them again if they're intact and the rubber's good.

Be sure and put a little hi-temp grease on the metal part when
reinstalling.
Danny
fitz011ev1.net
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:35:06 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question.

> In a letter to the editor section of the local motorists magazine, (Open
> Road, P6) about an ABC Dateline program exploring the abuses of the
> seizure of cars of drink drivers, and other offences.
> 'Police in small towns like Sulfur, Louisiana, seize cars travelling
> on Interstate 10 on the thinnest of pretexts. Louisiana judges get 20%
> of all property they order seized. Not suprisingly, travellers now avoid
> the State, and the tourism is suffering.......'and so the article
> continues in not what I would call a very complimentary manner, towards
> the constabulary, and system of justice in the state of Louisiana.
> Is this true of any state?
> Is this possible?
>
> 20%??!! of the top!! Wow.... this sounds to me, like the state has the
> local Mafia franchise. We're talking about the USA now, not some eastern
> block country.
> The reason I'm asking is, some politicians & their lackeys have just
> returned from an all expenses paid junket tour to the US and have mooted

Saw that when it aired ~1-2 years ago. The liberal Louisiana
impoundment law started as a method to curtail drug shipments
along the I-10 corridor from Florida to more western states. But
local enforcement agencies have expanded it to drunk drivers and
other serious offenses.

The involved agencies get to split up the value of the property after
auction/sale. So what does this do for butt poor So. Louisiana
police depts?

They stop *anyone* that fits a certain profile. That can mean
anyone driving an expensive vehicle(more $$$). Dateline baited one
cop on I-10 by having someone w/an expensive vehicle drive
perfectly down I-10(no driving errors at all). The cop stopped him
and claimed he was weaving and the cop "suspected" the driver
was drunk. After much discussion the driver told the cop they were
filming and the cop promptly let him go.

One lady on the program said she has spent several thousand
dollars trying to recoup her Lincoln to no avail. Others reported
similar experiences. Most of the time recovery is unsuccessful.

So. Louisiana law enforcement corruption is well documented.
With a state law like this, it was bound to be abused.

This has nothing to do w/most of the friendly, easy going citizens
of Louisiana
Danny
fitz011ev1.net
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:35:06 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: Hayden or Motorcraft?

> >> Thanks all for your help on the fan clutch. I think I will look for a
> >> Hayden if that is the best. I too hate buying some of the junk at
> >> AutoZone.
> >> I have dealt with NAPA for 30 years, but sometimes I fall into the
> >> AutoZone
> >> lure. Who sells Hayden?
> >
> >NAPA has them.
> >
>
> I stopped at Ford today and, with my discount, Motorcraft clutch fans
> are
> over $90. I can get the same part number from http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carparts.com for
> $47.11. I can also get a Hayden HD for $51.10 from them.
>
> Which do you recommend?

The Motorcraft is a good one. But for your application(engine
loading w/a snow plow) I'd go w/the Hayden HD. But you *are*
going to hear it work.

Danny
fitz011ev1.net
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:03:42 -0800
From: Pat Murphy lehigh.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)

Hi Mike,
As stated already it sounds like the rear tank fuel pump. I have been
told that its a real pain in the butt, drop the tank, inspect it for
rust at the top near the fill tube. This would be an ideal time for the
sender replacement if you have that common problem also. You may have
to replace the tank strap-they rust up.
I just got home from a vacation in Vermont and stayed in White River
Junction- small world. Good luck.

Pat Murphy
89 F-250 4WD
Iron Dog

"Michael R. Dunbar" wrote:
>
> Pardon my language when I say it was damn cold last night. Here in Vermont
> it snowed early in the day, and then dropped into the teens with a nasty
> windchill somewhere around -40 to -60. I was driving back to school from
> home and my heater stopped working, mostly due to the fact that my engine
> cut out in the middle of an intersection. While driving on the interstate, I
> was running on the rear tank and it stalled about 4 times, somewhere around
> 2000 on my tach, I was in 4th gear.
>
> I've noticed recently that there was something strange, but am not sure
> where to start in an attempt to fix things. My truck runs perfect when using
> the front tank, unfortunately, it was bone dry last night, but when using
> the rear tank, there is an audible "whirring" sound coming from the vicinity
> of the reservoir/pressure pump, etc area under the truck. 9 times out of 10
> when driving on this tank, it performs sluggishly as if I'm trying to start
> in 5th gear from a dead stop, usually I can get going if I clutch in and
> hammer the gas up to 3000-4000 rpm and let the clutch out (typically leaving
> more rubber on the road than on my wheels) Usually I can run fine on the
> interstate with this tank, until last night.... When I first started to
> notice this issue, my first thought was that I had water in my tank, dry gas
> seemed to work. I need to get this fixed ASAP, help on the manner would be
> appreciated, I don't want to be stuck in the middle of nowhere again.
> Thankfully I had my cell phone to call home and have help drive up with gas,
> and a friendly passerby driving a 98 F-150 4x4 (just thought I should
> mention that) towed me off the road to a pulloff spot, ironically, across
> the street from a Mobil station.... CLOSED of course.
>
> This link points to my webpage which has pictures of the underside of my
> truck I took about a month ago to possibly help point me what to do.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/mdunbar420/fuel.htm
>
> Again, thanks.
>
> Mike Dunbar
> 89 F-150 XLT Lariat
> White River Jct., Vermont
>
> "Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"
>
> Pet Peeve of a Goldfish:
> "Just because I have a three-second memory, they don't think I'll mind
> eating the same fish flakes ... Oh boy! Fish flakes!"
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:04:55 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" sol.ee.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TransX

Andy,
Thanks for the 'attaboy' 8^>>
How many miles did you have to drive before the tranny started shifting
normally?

Smeck


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From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>
To: <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 8:47 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TransX


>
> I finally got around to changing my transmission fluid on Sunday. (Messy!)
> When replacing the fluid, I added about 16oz. of TransX. It's only been
two
> days, and I have to say that it seems to make a difference. Whether it's
> attributable to the TransX or just to the transfusion is unknown to me,
but
> the truck is dropping into drive immediately in the mornings, and other
> times when the engine's cold. It's also shifting almost imperceptibly...
> not the slightest jerkiness in the shifting.
>
> I'm expecting a slight change in the mileage, just from not having to sit
> in the driveway/parking lot for 10 to 45 seconds every time I start the
> cold engine waiting for it to want to go forward. I will let the list know
> of any changes in mpg when I fill up again (should be soon... 351 5.8L v8
:)
>
> Thanks for that piece of advice, Smeck!
>
> Andy Norris
> 89 F250 SC C6 auto 2wd
>
> p.s. Was in Nawlins last spring, Steve, and it was sure nice to visit the
> warmer climes.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:36:19 -0500
From: Jarl Skogsholm esgear.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight

I solved the weight issue on my 95 F150 XLT extended cab, 6cyl, short bed.
According to Ford it weighs 4196 with a GVW of 6050. The front is 2383 and
the back is 1813.

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From: FLR150aol.com [mailto:FLR150aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 11:48 AM
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight


My '94 extended cab Flareside weighs in at a portly 5000 lb. at race ready,
which is 1/8 tank of fuel in each tank, no tailgate, and lightweight rims
with slicks.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:39:32 -0600
From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TransX

Steve,

Um, 'bout zero point zero three... length of my driveway :) Wasn't 'til I
hit the highway, though, that I noticed how smooth the transmission is
between first and second. Feels new. May sound silly, but it seems like the
engine doesn't have to put forth as much effort now, too. The smoother
shifts really was sort of surprising, because it made me notice just how
labored the shifting was before I changed the fluid/filter. Was mainly
attempting this to get rid of the hesitation in dropping into forward gear.

The old tranny fluid was still visible red, but very dark... like bad
horror movie blood. I wouldn't be surprised if this was maybe the second
time it's been changed in it's 11-12 years on earth. I'm hopeful that
there's still a lot of life left in this transmission from the very
positive results I've "felt" with this change. Is this a reasonable hope?
Seems there are a lot of folks on this list that are pretty quick to say
"rebuild" when a tranny is mentioned...

Andy


At 12:04 PM 1-18-2000 -0600, you wrote:
>Andy,
>Thanks for the 'attaboy' 8^>>
>How many miles did you have to drive before the tranny started shifting
>normally?
>
>Smeck
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>
>To: <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 8:47 AM
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - TransX
> >
> > I finally got around to changing my transmission fluid on Sunday. (Messy!)
> > When replacing the fluid, I added about 16oz. of TransX. It's only been
>two
> > days, and I have to say that it seems to make a difference. Whether it's
> > attributable to the TransX or just to the transfusion is unknown to me,
>but
> > the truck is dropping into drive immediately in the mornings, and other
> > times when the engine's cold. It's also shifting almost imperceptibly...
> > not the slightest jerkiness in the shifting.
> >
> > I'm expecting a slight change in the mileage, just from not having to sit
> > in the driveway/parking lot for 10 to 45 seconds every time I start the
> > cold engine waiting for it to want to go forward. I will let the list know
> > of any changes in mpg when I fill up again (should be soon... 351 5.8L v8
>:)
> >
> > Thanks for that piece of advice, Smeck!
> >
> > Andy Norris
> > 89 F250 SC C6 auto 2wd
> >
> > p.s. Was in Nawlins last spring, Steve, and it was sure nice to visit the
> > warmer climes.

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:18:52 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" sol.ee.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TransX

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>

> The old tranny fluid was still visible red, but very dark... like bad
> horror movie blood. I wouldn't be surprised if this was maybe the second
> time it's been changed in it's 11-12 years on earth. I'm hopeful that
> there's still a lot of life left in this transmission from the very
> positive results I've "felt" with this change. Is this a reasonable hope?


One of the vehicles I 'dosed' with Trans-X, ~50k miles ago, is still going
strong at ~140k. From your description of the OLD fluid, I'd bet there was
some pretty serious varnish buildup in that trans. As long as there's
nothing mechanically wrong, and you change the fluid at recommended
intervals.................. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't get a
few more k-miles outta that tranny.

8^>
Smeck


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:47:29 -0500
From: "Michael R. Dunbar" vtc.vsc.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)

I'm curious as to how it could be the in-tank fuel pump, the source of the
whirring sound is eminating from underneath the cab of the truck, leading me
to believe it was the the resevoir that is malfunctioning.

Mike Dunbar
89 F-150 XLT Lariat
White River Jct., Vermont

"Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"

Pet Peeve of a Goldfish:
"Just because I have a three-second memory, they don't think I'll mind
eating the same fish flakes ... Oh boy! Fish flakes!"

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-80-96-listford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-80-96-listford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Pat Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:04 PM
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)


Hi Mike,
As stated already it sounds like the rear tank fuel pump. I have been
told that its a real pain in the butt, drop the tank, inspect it for
rust at the top near the fill tube. This would be an ideal time for the
sender replacement if you have that common problem also. You may have
to replace the tank strap-they rust up.
I just got home from a vacation in Vermont and stayed in White River
Junction- small world. Good luck.

Pat Murphy
89 F-250 4WD
Iron Dog

"Michael R. Dunbar" wrote:
>
> Pardon my language when I say it was damn cold last night. Here in Vermont
> it snowed early in the day, and then dropped into the teens with a nasty
> windchill somewhere around -40 to -60. I was driving back to school from
> home and my heater stopped working, mostly due to the fact that my engine
> cut out in the middle of an intersection. While driving on the interstate,
I
> was running on the rear tank and it stalled about 4 times, somewhere
around
> 2000 on my tach, I was in 4th gear.
>
> I've noticed recently that there was something strange, but am not sure
> where to start in an attempt to fix things. My truck runs perfect when
using
> the front tank, unfortunately, it was bone dry last night, but when using
> the rear tank, there is an audible "whirring" sound coming from the
vicinity
> of the reservoir/pressure pump, etc area under the truck. 9 times out of
10
> when driving on this tank, it performs sluggishly as if I'm trying to
start
> in 5th gear from a dead stop, usually I can get going if I clutch in and
> hammer the gas up to 3000-4000 rpm and let the clutch out (typically
leaving
> more rubber on the road than on my wheels) Usually I can run fine on the
> interstate with this tank, until last night.... When I first started to
> notice this issue, my first thought was that I had water in my tank, dry
gas
> seemed to work. I need to get this fixed ASAP, help on the manner would be
> appreciated, I don't want to be stuck in the middle of nowhere again.
> Thankfully I had my cell phone to call home and have help drive up with
gas,
> and a friendly passerby driving a 98 F-150 4x4 (just thought I should
> mention that) towed me off the road to a pulloff spot, ironically, across
> the street from a Mobil station.... CLOSED of course.
>
> This link points to my webpage which has pictures of the underside of my
> truck I took about a month ago to possibly help point me what to do.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/mdunbar420/fuel.htm
>
> Again, thanks.
>
> Mike Dunbar
> 89 F-150 XLT Lariat
> White River Jct., Vermont
>
> "Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"
>
> Pet Peeve of a Goldfish:
> "Just because I have a three-second memory, they don't think I'll mind
> eating the same fish flakes ... Oh boy! Fish flakes!"
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:11:04 -0800
From: Eric Sneed reil.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan

Flex fans also don't work very well if you plan on doing any rock crawling
or any other situation that calls for low speed high rpm's.

ES

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cannon [SMTP:jcannon.ne79gtalumni.org]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 8:11 PM
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan

FWIW, my '80 F-150 with the 300 I-6 has a flex fan and no clutch. As
the
RPM goes up, the blades flex out flat and move less air (use less
power). I
like it, but I have heard that these flex blades are known to crack
and fly
apart without warning at higher RPM, tearing up your hood and
radiator, a
few hoses, etc. If you are working under the hood it can be really
ugly
when a blade breaks.

At 22:53 16/01/00 -0600, you wrote:
>> It will burn a little more fuel, any other reaction is
negligible.
>>
>> Bob
>
>Warm up will be extended but Bob may be correct in saying its
>negligible. However, you may not like the constant roaring as you
>accelerate. Generally, the more cfm you move w/a fan, the louder it

>is.
>
>Danny
>
>> Kevin Crandall wrote:
>>
>> > There has been a lot of talk about clutch fans lately, and I
have a
>> > question. Can you just remove the clutch fan and replace it
with an after
>> > market fan that rotates all the time? Will it cause any
problems?

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:18:59 -0800
From: Eric Sneed reil.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - waterproofing

Also mid 80's and up sables, escorts, lynx and what not had a rubber "boot"
that covered the distributor.
Someone on this list mentioned this bit of info, it has worked well for me.

Eric S
89 F150 $
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:38:55 EST
From: ACMERCGaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan/electric fans...

In a message dated 01/18/2000 5:21:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ESneedreil.com writes:

<< Flex fans also don't work very well if you plan on doing any rock crawling
or any other situation that calls for low speed high rpm's. >>

I converted to electric fans about a year ago and haven't had a problem
since...

Joe
lost in jersey
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:59:15 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan

>Flex fans also don't work very well if you plan on doing any rock crawling
>or any other situation that calls for low speed high rpm's.
>

My 77 Bronco came with a flex fan and I never had a bit of trouble with it.
I see no reason it would not work at slow speed. That fan has a lot of
blades and pulls a lot of air when it is not flexed out.

BTW, why would you run high rpms while rock crawling?


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
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http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:56:28 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: Hayden or Motorcraft?

>The Motorcraft is a good one. But for your application(engine
>loading w/a snow plow) I'd go w/the Hayden HD. But you *are*
>going to hear it work.
>

Thanks Danny. I ordered the Hayden and a set of 8.8 mm Accel wires one
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carparts.com . Got 33% off by going to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carparts.com/gift and
typing in code 4wra002 first.

I don't mind hearing it working. Then I know. Under no load driving, it
probably won't work a lot anyway.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
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http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:33:19 -0700
From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: [none]

Les wrote in reply to Phred;

Phred, If you were to be part of the Idle Rich, spending you waking
hours
chasing under dressed dolly-birds around the deck of the 56' Company
owned, tax
write off, Cruiser for entertainment, look at all the Real Fun you
would be
missing out on. ;-^))

Phred replies back;

Aha! There it is,... the next new Olympic sports, chasing 'under dressed
dolly-birds', now we Americans are going to win even more Olympic gold
medals, especially if the current Chief-dolly-bird-Chasin Clinton joins the
team. And this idea from an Ozzie, I looove this list!!!

Okay, Back to Fords on propane, Fords on gasoline, Fords on Fords,
dolly-birds in Fords...

Les asks;

Why is/should propane be harder on injectors than petrol?

Its a problem of,...umm...well...er...you know...umm...lubrication and
heat.
With gasoline and all of its wonderful additives, there is plenty of
lubrication and cooling. Imagine that pintle/valve in the injector just
hammering away thousands of times in just a short running period of an
engine. The gasoline acts as a coolant and a lubricant to keep the injector
from overheating and hammering it's internal designs into something
completly different and unwanted.
With propane being a dry-gas, you no longer have the cooling properties of
the fuel. you might have some lubrication with some of the heavy ends found
in the fuel, but don't count on that. Many injectors have been designed to
work but the issue of reliability has always been a problem. Will it last
100K miles? Okay, so GM has a problem with their Vortech injectors with
gasoline, but hey, that's GM. We're talking Fords here.
I am not familiar with the Bi-Phase (Dave Bennett's company mentioned in
previous post which is located in Lake Lillian, Minnesota and not Michigan,
sorry) design to know what they have done to solves the problem. I do know
that they are on the verge of signing a major contract for 4000 OEM systems
a year in a foreign country very close to the US. They have tested their
product in the US in various climates and this foreign country will be their
large scale test market. When and if it recieves the seal of approval, the
system will be approved elsewhere/everywhere. I hope it all works!

Uncle Les also wrote;

It STILL uses a pump in the tank? The liquid is at a tank pressure
of approx.
180psi, the very reason we don't need pumps, currently.

The pump is used to circulate the liquid to the injector fuel rail - their
system does not have a return line.
Well, this reminds me of an interesting event. It's the vapors that cause
the pressures right? In order for propane to be liquid it has to be very
cold right? Most liquids vented to atmosphere won't exert any pressure? Okay
check this out;
I have witness someone taking off my pressure relief valve on my near full
LPG tank. Of course the pressure bleeds off when you crack loose the
pressure relief valve and but then voila, the inside of the tank is now
vented to atmosphere once you have remove the defective valve.
When the serviceman told me what he was going to do, I thought he was
kidding and did not even take him seriously. however everything changed when
he started removing the pressure relief valve with a huge wrench and
pressurized vapors were squirting everywhere. I was suddenly paying very
close attention and my feet where in the "let's get the hell outta here"
mode NOW. But I stayed (smart??)
Pretty cool stuff when you look inside the tank, and BTW don't smoke when
doing this. The serviceman just removed the defective valve and replaced it
with a new one. Apperently he had done this a few times before. Imagine the
first guy that did this?? What balls. Oh, and if I forgot to mention, this
is most likely the illegal method to replace the valve on the tank, but it
is the quick way.
You will see the evaporation of the propane seeping through the threaded
hole where the valve used to be but it is not blasting out at all. It looks
like dry-ice at some rock concert, just vapors (that smell is oh so
wonderful) falling out of the hole and puddling in the low spots.
What is happening is a thermodynamic exchange of heat because of the huge
difference between the inside temperature and outside tank temperature. Heat
always flows from hot to cold - basic law of physics/nature. So as the
propane inside the tank absorbs heat and raises its temperature, it starts
to boil and evaporate.
Normally inside the tank, heat is absorbed continuously because the inside
is always colder than the outside and as the engine consumes more liquid it
leaves more space for the vapors to collect. If the tank keeps absorbing
heat beyond a certain point then the pressure rises above the pressure
relief valve and well then it does its job and blows off for a few seconds
until the pressure falls off in the tank, this also cools down the internal
tank temperature.

And Les about the story you mention of Sulphur Louisiana, maybe what they
need down there are a few more hungry lawyers, and TV crews doing the story.
Sorry I have not heard of that story, but then I don't watch that much TV
either. I can't imagine that lasting too long before some higher court steps
in. Of course something like that would cause major riots I imagine. Nobody
is that apathetic. Is it possible, I would say yes, but the consequences
would be expensive to any individuals responsible for such actions. Did the
police officers look like Buffer T. Justice (Jackie Gleason in the movie
"Smokey and the Bandit") ?

Phred 1995 EB F-150 4X4 5.0L, 5 speed
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:09:39 EST
From: Spruce1495aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes

Leo,
You can drive those pieces out with a hammer and punch or whatever
will fit the bill. I have done mine 4 times and they are reusable without any
new rubber or whatever.
Bill in KY
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:32:12 -0500
From: "Jeff Fairbairn" cyberus.ca>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Leaking Prestone

Here is a dumb question. My '96 F-150 is leaking coolant but appears to only
happen when the truck warms up. Could the water pump leak more when the
motor heats up? It takes a long time to heat up in the yard because it
was -50 Celsius last night. When I use the pressure tester I do not see any
leaks. The engine bay is covered in coolant because the fan throwing it
everywhere.

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:15:58 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Fords & propane

> Its a problem of,...umm...well...er...you know...umm...lubrication and
>heat.
> With gasoline and all of its wonderful additives, there is plenty of
>lubrication and cooling. Imagine that pintle/valve in the injector just
>hammering away thousands of times in just a short running period of an
>engine. The gasoline acts as a coolant and a lubricant to keep the injector
>from overheating and hammering it's internal designs into something
>completly different and unwanted.

Never thought of that, although injecting liquid propane could provide some
cooling...

> I am not familiar with the Bi-Phase (Dave Bennett's company mentioned in
>previous post which is located in Lake Lillian, Minnesota and not Michigan,
>sorry) design to know what they have done to solves the problem. I do know
>that they are on the verge of signing a major contract for 4000 OEM systems
>a year in a foreign country very close to the US. They have tested their
>product in the US in various climates and this foreign country will be their
>large scale test market. When and if it recieves the seal of approval, the
>system will be approved elsewhere/everywhere. I hope it all works!

Is that close country to the north or south? I could be something to look
for down at the dealership.

> I have witness someone taking off my pressure relief valve on my near full
>LPG tank. Of course the pressure bleeds off when you crack loose the
>pressure relief valve and but then voila, the inside of the tank is now
>vented to atmosphere once you have remove the defective valve.
> When the serviceman told me what he was going to do, I thought he was
>kidding and did not even take him seriously. however everything changed when
>he started removing the pressure relief valve with a huge wrench and
>pressurized vapors were squirting everywhere. I was suddenly paying very
>close attention and my feet where in the "let's get the hell outta here"
>mode NOW. But I stayed (smart??)

That sound like it might just add a little TOO much excitement to my day! It
would be cool to see though. This is the same for LN2 as well, it stays COLD
but liquid at 1 atmosphere. The propane doesn't have to be too cold, only
aroud -50C if memory serves.
Chris
'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
285K Km

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:48:27 -0600
From: David Cole earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F150 Front Brakes

I made a little homemade tool to remove mine easily. I used an 8" piece of
5/16 steel tubing left over from another project. This is type used for
fuel/brake lines. It comes with fittings already on it and the ends are
flared.

The flared end cups the tabs and holds them together. about two taps with
a hammer and they are out. I munted the section of tubing in a 4" piece of
old broom handle to have something to tap with the hammer.

Later,

David Cole

At 10:01 PM 1/17/00 -0800, Leo Mosley wrote:
>I am about to remove the front rotors on my 87 F150 for machining. I notice
>that the caliper securing mechanism looks like a "U" shaped piece with tabs
>on either end to hold it in place. There also seems to be a rubber filler to
>keep the piece expanded. I would assume you compress this piece in the area
>of the tabs and push it out. Does this sound right, and can the piece be
>used again?
>Thanks Leo


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:05:45 -0500
From: "Mark Salvetti" mediaone.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)

Mike's photos of his fuel system
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/mdunbar420/fuel.htm) reminded me of a question I
have about mine. On my 1986 5L FI with dual tanks, I have the dual function
reservoir in Mike's left photo, the high pressure fuel pump in the middle,
but no fuel filter after the high pressure pump. Just a long fuel line that
goes up the the fuel rail on the engine.

Did Ford place a filter in the dual function reservoir on some trucks? The
bottom half of my reservoir is hexed all around, as if it unscrews. Once
when the truck was going into the dealer, I asked them to do the fuel filter
because I couldn't find it. They changed it, and this also cured the
problem that I had with fuel returning to the wrong tank (this truck has a
different system than those with the recall), so I thought the filter might
be in the reservoir, but I forgot to ask.

It's two years later now, and the fuel return problem is back. There's
nothing about this in Haynes, and I haven't found a parts store that has a
listing for this filter. Anyone know what's up with this?

Thanks!

Mark Salvetti
1986 F150


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:42:29 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1/2-1 ton

I have a 1984 F-150
that I am going to convert to leaf springs
front with dana 60 and
change the 9" for a floater 10.25 in
rear

my question is can someone please tell me how
thier leaf springs bolt on on the front
i know the back braket on the front spring is just that a normal bracket
but the front how does the shackel go on??
thanks and does anybody want to buy a perfectly good
dana44TTB front or a 9" with totally new breaks??
or does anybody have any 8 lug wheels that want to trade for
5lug chromies.

thanks and please email direct to me.


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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:56:06 EST
From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Major Fuel System Issues (HELP!)

In a message dated 01/18/2000 09:13:37 PM Mountain Standard Time,
msalvettimediaone.net writes:

<< ......the fuel return problem is back. There's
nothing about this in Haynes, and I haven't found a parts store that has a
listing for this filter. Anyone know what's up with this?
>>

NAPA lists 2 fuel filters for that application, one is for the in-line
filter, the other is for the canister type: part# 3268
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:36:09 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - An Open Question....Thanks.

Hi Smeck, Danny, Spectre, Michael

Thank you for your candid replys, and explanation of the historical french
influence on the running of the state. Very Informative. I do appreciate it.
As far as the Motor Traffic Act in Oz is concerned, all 6 states & territories
have finally almost reached common agreement, - only took 100 years.

Nothing in the printed article was said about you problem of drug running &
having common land borders. I guess living on the world's largest Island, down
here in the south pacific, I tend to forget about that.

Yeah, we have the drug problem here also, and the seizure of the financial gains
from such activity also happens, and there are only 2 ways to get in, or out of
OZ. That is by plane or boat. But what really amuses me, since drugs are
obviously illegal, they can't even keep the jails drug free .......
Whoever said this FTE site isn't educational, just isn't trying. ;-))


regards

Les
Lost and Isolated in the Land of OZ


Steve Schmeckpeper wrote:

> Although true, this is OLD (~2 years ago) news. They (the locals) were
> supposed to be 'PROFILING' vehicles looking for drug courriers, and were
> caught abusing the system. The WHOLE bunch (judge included) has been taken
> to task and Sulphur, along with other small towns along the I-10 interstate,
> has cleaned up their act. LA NEEDS TOURISM !!!!!
>
> BTW...........Law Enforcement continues to 'PROFILE' traffic on I-10 (and
> other interstates) 'cause it's a MAJOR distribution conduit for drugs coming
> in from Southern US borders. (FLA, LA, TX, CA) You would be astounded at the
> amount of 'product' local and state authorities have seized since they
> started profiling. Properly administered, the proceeds from these seizures
> relieve the taxpayer (you and me!) of some of the cost of interdiction 8^>
>
> Smeck........ 87 F-150 in Baton Rouge, LA
>

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