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80-96-list-digest Monday, January 17 2000 Volume 04 : Number 015



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Hard to turn ignition key
FTE 80-96 - Re: Brake Lines
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard to turn ignition key
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard to turn ignition key
Re: FTE 80-96 - Propane
FTE 80-96 - 87 Ranger Codes
Re: FTE 80-96 - 87 Ranger Codes
FTE 80-96 - Hard Starting
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard Starting
FTE 80-96 - 1993 F150 w/A40D Trans.
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1993 F150 w/A40D Trans.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan
Re: FTE 80-96 - DI propane?

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:57:49 -0600
From: "Kevin Lindstedt" netnitco.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hard to turn ignition key

I own a 1986 F150 XLT Lariet w/300-6 and C6 transmission. When the outside
temperature falls below 20 degrees F the key is exceedingly difficult to
turn, and if the temp is really cold, I can *just* turn the key enough to
start the engine. I don't believe this would be fixed by spraying any lube
into the key cylinder. I did a search on the NHTSA site and found the
following:

Service Bulletin Number: BC2154900329
Bulletin Sequence Number: 071
Date of Bulletin: 9003
NHTSA Item Number: SB020764
Make: FORD TRUCK
Model: F150
Year: 1986
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:SWITCH
Summary: INSTRUCTIONS ON REPAIR OF IGNITION SWITCH THAT IS HARD TO TURN DUE
TO FREEZING TEMPERATURE-FORD TRUCK BB

I tried calling a few Ford dealers with this info, but none of them keep
TSBs back into the '80s. Has anyone else encountered this same problem and
if so, how did you fix it? Thanks in advance for your help.

Kevin Lindstedt
lindstdt netnitco.net
1986 F150 XLT Lariet

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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:34:29 EST
From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Brake Lines

Hi, has anyone had any experience with companies who offer pre bent brake
lines?
If anyone has, can you tell me who you used.
Thanks,
Joe 82 F100
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:50:47 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard to turn ignition key

<< When the outside
temperature falls below 20 degrees F the key is exceedingly difficult to
turn, and if the temp is really cold, I can *just* turn the key enough to
start the engine. I don't believe this would be fixed by spraying any lube
into the key cylinder. >>

I ran into the same problem on an '83 - in fact it was so stiff when cold
that the switch would not completely return to the run position on its
own.... causing the accessories and gauges to be inop. I took the steering
wheel off and once inside the column started cleaning and inspecting
everything. I didn't find anything broken or worn beyond use, so I re-lubing
everthing as I put it back together and the complaint was cured. Hopfully
it'll be that simple for you too..... all that is needed is a steering wheel
puller and a bit of patience. Good luck.
Alex
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:08:24 EST
From: LGRanch aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard to turn ignition key

Got the same problem, never have been able to fix it.. Post with the answer
if you get it fixed
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:20:00 EST
From: Kbeverwein aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Propane

Here in San Diego we are paying 1.59 plus for diesel.

Brian
'67 Econoline van
'86 F250
'83 E150 (custom made in to Pick-up)
'99 F250 Crew cab Powerstroke
'98 Contour
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:25:03 EST
From: Kbeverwein aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 87 Ranger Codes

Friend of mine has an '87 Ranger 2.9. He is receiving a Code telling
him that there is a problem with the O2 Sensor. He replaced it and is
still getting same code. Does anyone have an idea what else may be
causing him to receive this code?

Brian
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:23:47 EST
From: SlamedF150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 87 Ranger Codes

u have to reset the computer and wait a couple of days, then take another
reading
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:13:41 -0600
From: vince a smith troi.csw.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hard Starting

My 1993 F150 302FI is having a very hard time starting on the first
ignition key cycle. If I turn the key to on for about two second then
off and on again (allowing fuel pump to cycle on) it will start just
about normal.

Any ideas??

Thanks
Vince Smith
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:11:54 -0400
From: "Brad Watts" nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard Starting

Some times, a fuel pump relay can go bad and not pull up on the first cycle
of the key, The second cycle of the key seems to give the relay just
enough bump to close it's contacts. Once it closes, it stays closed as it's
not burnt, just sticking. When the relays are just starting to fail, they
will eventually pull up on their own most times if you hold the key in the
start position long enough given the illusion that your truck is just hard
to start when in fact, it starts as soon as the relay contacts make. I
learned this one from experience and am also told that the ignition relay
can do the same thing. Given the low cost of these relays, I replaced both
of them. You can check for this problem by getting a friend to try to start
the truck while you get ready to tap the relays with a screwdriver. If the
truck starts when the relays are tapped, you've found the problem! They are
located on the drivers side (on this continent anyway) under the hood about
1/2 way back.

Brad Watts / AMT
E-mail wattsb nbnet.nb.ca
Web www.amt.nb.ca


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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hard Starting

My 1993 F150 302FI is having a very hard time starting on the first
ignition key cycle. If I turn the key to on for about two second then
off and on again (allowing fuel pump to cycle on) it will start just
about normal.

Any ideas??

Thanks
Vince Smith
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:17:10 EST
From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1993 F150 w/A40D Trans.

I have (2) questions:
1. Does anyone know of a device to allow a more positive shift in the A4OD
without rebuilding or removal. I have heard of a unit that simply plugs into
existing control, but can't find info on it.

2. I have had a metallic vibration sound coming from the transmission when
shifting from OD to normal Drive. Ford replaced the torque converter at 58K,
but that didn't seem to have any or little effect. The truck has 91K on it,
and the trans never has given me any trouble, even towing my 5th wheel.
Whaddayathink?!

Bill in KY
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:14:17 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1993 F150 w/A40D Trans.

Enlighten me, Bill.
I can't recall an A4OD. What rig is it in?

Bob


Spruce1495 aol.com wrote:

> I have (2) questions:
> 1. Does anyone know of a device to allow a more positive shift in the A4OD
> without rebuilding or removal. I have heard of a unit that simply plugs into
> existing control, but can't find info on it.
>
> 2. I have had a metallic vibration sound coming from the transmission when
> shifting from OD to normal Drive. Ford replaced the torque converter at 58K,
> but that didn't seem to have any or little effect. The truck has 91K on it,
> and the trans never has given me any trouble, even towing my 5th wheel.
> Whaddayathink?!
>
> Bill in KY
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:53:51 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good

> Thanks all for your help on the fan clutch. I think I will look for a
> Hayden if that is the best. I too hate buying some of the junk at
> AutoZone.
> I have dealt with NAPA for 30 years, but sometimes I fall into the
> AutoZone
> lure. Who sells Hayden?

NAPA has them.

Danny


>
> Mine certainly does not roar.
>


Danny
fitz011 ev1.net
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:53:51 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan

> It will burn a little more fuel, any other reaction is negligible.
>
> Bob

Warm up will be extended but Bob may be correct in saying its
negligible. However, you may not like the constant roaring as you
accelerate. Generally, the more cfm you move w/a fan, the louder it
is.

Danny

> Kevin Crandall wrote:
>
> > There has been a lot of talk about clutch fans lately, and I have a
> > question. Can you just remove the clutch fan and replace it with an after
> > market fan that rotates all the time? Will it cause any problems? Thanks
> >
> > Kevin


Danny
fitz011 ev1.net
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:57:59 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - DI propane?

Hi Chris,
It's already been done. If you remove the fuel injectors, and replace with propane,
and you use liquid propane, the injector will freeze, so a gas is still the way to
go. The Eurpeans have a few models using true DI but it is EXPENSIVE, and now you
are back to the reliability of injectors. Diesel fuel trucks using 30% diesel
injection & 70% propane mix, a Dutch creation, I believe, and Phred can probably
give us even more options. GM in Oz has spent a lot of money & time integrating
petrol & propane, being controlled by the ECU. This system uses both fuels together
for the optimum performance, and this is a vast over simplification, but for
example under 3,000rpm, it will run on propane, over 3,000 it will use petrol. Of
course Ford & GM will nail you for software piracy, if you manage to open up their
proprietary programs....... Take your pick. The choices are enough to make your
head spin!!
A propane installer, over here is doing M.Benz cars, where the bosch jetronic
injection system is too old & expensive to repair, some of these systems are 30-35
years old. The fuel pump drive is disconnected and injectors are sealed off and
left in to look stock and the propane mixer is installed in the back of the air
cleaner, where it can't be seen. Don't think these cars can't go, these 6.9 ltr 2
ton+ vehicles are still capable if burning rubber in 1st & 2nd gear and pulling
over 150mph top speed.

The only real problem I have with your suggestion is the issue of simplicity. Have
you taken the propane mixer apart? The OHG -450X, if you count the return spring,
has TWO (2) moving parts. There is nothing to them, they make the Pommy S.U. or a
Briggs & Stratton mower carby look complex. In this day of increasingly complex
engine control systems that are fast outsmarting the dealers, I find it
refreshingly simple to use. Just watch this list to see how much trouble fuel
tanks & pumps cause, not a worry on a dual tank propane truck. There isn't even a
bronze sinter fuel filter to clog, or needle & seat to fail. There is not even a
cold start choke control. What is a FI filter worth?. I am using the 'Over the Hill
Gang-450X'. This mixer next to an injection system, is in my opinion still going to
be more reliable and less prone to failure than injectors. Why do you need propane
injection to up the Comp. Ratio? Do it anyway. 10 to 1 is a good start, especially
if you are getting the 110 octane propane. Are you having pre ignition problems ?
Has your dizzy been optimized ( re-curved ) for propane?

By all means install the pentium III computer in your truck, but use it to control
'mission critical' systems like the video wall, in the back, or to automate the
stereo system, and the CD, DVD stacker and disco lighting system. Use it to control
the air compressor for the air bag suspension ride height control. ;-)) open & shut
the sun roof, or the air conditioning control......and still keep up with the
latest breaking news on this web site.


regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

Chris McKinnon wrote:

> >
> DI or direct injection where the fuel is added directly to the cylinder just
> prior to the spark. This is the same (almost) system that diesels use. The
> differance bieng in the diesel there is no spark... A DI head would have an
> extra hole in each combustion chamber for the injector. I'm not sure if
> there is space in the head for an injector or if it would come out somewhere
> under the rockers. The idea behind DI is that compression ratios canbe
> higher without any pre-detonation problems, not to mention that the engine....


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