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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or
FTE 80-96 - Re: Fan Clutch
FTE 80-96 - Headers
FTE 80-96 - F-250 4x4 Reliability
FTE 80-96 - tranny
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Fan Clutch
RE: FTE 80-96 - F-250 4x4 Reliability
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 4x4 Reliability
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Fan Clutch
Re: FTE 80-96 - tranny
FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan
FTE 80-96 - Propane
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 4x4 Reliability
Re: FTE 80-96 - Propane

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:18:59 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or

> >If your vehicle overheats, and you have any doubt...
> >replace it.
> >They're not that expensive.
> >
> >SPECTRE
>
> The problem is... this one is brand new. I want to know if it is working
> or
> not before I replace it. And if this new one is not working, I want to
> replace it with a better made one that will work.

First, return that AutoZone Imperial wimp. Then either get an OEM
from Ford or a Hayden. See if they make a Hayden HD for your
engine. They don't for the 300-6.

Speaking w/a Hayden rep, they say all their regular fan clutches
are designed for 10% more lockup than the competitiors. The HDs
are way above that. A HD *will* get you an enormous amount of
lockup! You will hear that thing on startup and anything over 2000
rpm. HD is made for towing, RVs, hi-perf engines, hot running big
blocks and anyone wanting higher perf out of their AC condensors.

I got tired of buying weak, fuel economy-oriented fan clutches from
AutoZone or wherever and stick w/Hayden. Shop around, you'll find
them. ~$30 regular, ~$40 HD.

Testing: if you want to load test your fan clutch and you have the
guts(techs do it all the time), wrap a thick rag around your hand
and lightly bump the fan blades when running at a hot idle. Then
put increasing pressure on the blades. If you can stop the fan, its
junk.

Just feeling resistance in turning the fan w/engine off hot doesn't
tell you a lot.
Danny
fitz011 ev1.net
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:16:33 -0800
From: Joan and Walt Posluszny home.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Fan Clutch

Blake, back in 84 when I ordered my F150 4x4 I had ordered my rig with the
SUPER DUTY cooling option, this was over and above HEAVY DUTY cooling which
was also an option over stock cooling. It was a larger radiator and a beefy
fan clutch. Because of this super duty fan clutch, the fan NEVER freewheels
easily. Even at 30 below zero the fan would not freewheel and roar like hell
as it warmed up.. Even took it back to the dealer, they replaced it with
new Super Duty unit and no change so I live with it.

When the engine is cold, there is still plenty of resistance to rotating the
blade, [you cannot free spin it at all] and when HOT, when you shut the
engine off it stops almost as fast as the engine. Very different than
then one a friend has in his Ch*vy.

I live in a hot climate now, 100 plus in the summer often and I can leave
the truck idling with the AC on over black hot pavement and the needle never
movers warmer than dead center...even on a super hot day. I have a manual
trans and that probably helps with the cooling a bit.

Walt
>
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:36:39 -0500
> From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
[snip]
> The fan clutch on my F-150/302 never makes any noise or creates any
> perceivable load. So is it not working right?
>
> Thanks.

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:28:13 -0800 (PST)
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Headers

I don't do any rockcrawling and only some bogging and field driving(when
farm is in full swing) so I don't think i'll need to worry about the duals
out the back.
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And be careful on the CATless system. It's a major fine. Wouldn't want to
upset the folks on this list (mind you I have, and they may take this and
say your going to kill the wildlife or create too much smog or start a
fire. Let alone get a ticket for "no CAT".)
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i'm not too concerned about the no cat thing. we don't have epa testing here
so the only thing would be about loudness. I don't think the cops here
really enforce it either, about 5 of my friends have theirs straight-piped,
a few without cats too and they've had no problems. we've even had deafening
contests up town in the local parking lot hang out to see who's is the
loudest. after about 5,6 minutes of that the cop showed up pretty quick, no
tickets but he sure stopped the noise quick. start a fire? i thought it
would be cooler becuase isn't a cat the hottest part of an exhaust? i
thought it needs to get to some high temp to work right. That's another
thing, thru the week when i drive to school my cat isn't working anyway
because its so cold(school a 5 min at most drive from my house).
And about putting a pipe in place of the cats, anyone have an idea about
doing that? it has that dual in one out first cat on it. would a muffler man
make a piece to put there or not since that's eluding to removing that cat?
or cut them off, drive to the muffler man and say some pipe fell off and ask
them to weld it in for me?
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im gonna go full length headers then glaspacks then straight pipes out the
side,
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My dodge-driving friend put this on after he got a loud exhaust for his
straightpiped dodge. sounded good. didn't hear it before he did that but he
said it was REAL loud. even louder than his no cat,muffler duals out the
back dodge he has now.

DK

PS don't be stupid like me and see how fast you can spin your tires on the
ice. i ended up taking out two mailboxes in the process while sliding
sideways.:-( people were real nice though. no cops luckally. but i'm in for
the bill when the ground thaws and the new ones can go in. i wasn't going to
do like my friends said and just take off.






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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:44:17 -0600
From: "a b" uab.campuscwix.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-250 4x4 Reliability

I've been looking at 4wd F-250's between '93-'97. Consumer Reports
consistently rates 4wd as "much worse than average" across the board
compared to 2wd. Anybody know why, (besides Consumer Reports is fos)?
Anybody have any experience with F-250 4x4's?

thanks,
Bill G

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:59:20 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - tranny

I have a T-18 in my 84 F-150 4x4
the shifter just flopped over today I was shifting
in reverse and it just fell over and now you can't change gears and it is
pointed at the passenger now, is this easy to fix and if it needs a rebuild
would it be that hard to swap in a C-6?

can I get some information about the c-6 swap from someone??

thanks
Joel

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:42:16 -0600 (CST)
From: DTrowbridge webtv.net (David Trowbridge)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Fan Clutch

i tested my fan clutch out today after i got to work. it is a 25 minute
drive to work so the truck was fully warmed up. i popped the hood and
spinned the fan. it went half of one full turn before it stopped. is
this normal? thanx.....

David
85 F-150 300 I6

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:42:43 -0400
From: "Brad Watts" nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F-250 4x4 Reliability

My guess would be those auto hubs!

Brad Watts / AMT
E-mail wattsb nbnet.nb.ca
Web www.amt.nb.ca


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To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-250 4x4 Reliability

I've been looking at 4wd F-250's between '93-'97. Consumer Reports
consistently rates 4wd as "much worse than average" across the board
compared to 2wd. Anybody know why, (besides Consumer Reports is fos)?
Anybody have any experience with F-250 4x4's?

thanks,
Bill G

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:42:39 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or

Thanks all for your help on the fan clutch. I think I will look for a
Hayden if that is the best. I too hate buying some of the junk at AutoZone.
I have dealt with NAPA for 30 years, but sometimes I fall into the AutoZone
lure. Who sells Hayden?

Mine certainly does not roar.

As far as electric fans, I have thought about them. I don't think another
big-draw motor would be a good addition for a truck used for snowplowing.
The plow hoist takes plenty of power draw.

BTW, one of my AutoZone sparkplug wires (yet another mistaken purchase)
burned against a header pipe. So now I need a good set. Someone awhile back
suggest Accel wires. Anyone know of a place to order them online?

Thanks.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:49:50 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 4x4 Reliability

>I've been looking at 4wd F-250's between '93-'97. Consumer Reports
>consistently rates 4wd as "much worse than average" across the board
>compared to 2wd. Anybody know why, (besides Consumer Reports is fos)?
>Anybody have any experience with F-250 4x4's?
>

I believe the oposite of whatever CR says. They ruined jeep CJs and tried
ruining many other vehicles by rigged testing.

As far as the reliability of the truck, they are very reliable. I don't
know where they get that stuff?? But just like any other mechanical thing,
it is not foolproof or without perfect, but with propper maintenance should
last your 20 years.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:42:44 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Fan Clutch

>Blake, back in 84 when I ordered my F150 4x4 I had ordered my rig with the
>SUPER DUTY cooling option, this was over and above HEAVY DUTY cooling which
>was also an option over stock cooling. It was a larger radiator and a beefy
>fan clutch. Because of this super duty fan clutch, the fan NEVER freewheels
>easily. Even at 30 below zero the fan would not freewheel and roar like hell
>as it warmed up.. Even took it back to the dealer, they replaced it with
>new Super Duty unit and no change so I live with it.
>
>When the engine is cold, there is still plenty of resistance to rotating the
>blade, [you cannot free spin it at all] and when HOT, when you shut the
>engine off it stops almost as fast as the engine. Very different than
>then one a friend has in his Ch*vy.
>
>I live in a hot climate now, 100 plus in the summer often and I can leave
>the truck idling with the AC on over black hot pavement and the needle never
>movers warmer than dead center...even on a super hot day. I have a manual
>trans and that probably helps with the cooling a bit.
>

Thanks Walt. I wonder if the other good makes of HD fan clutches would be
like the Ford original one you have, or if they would freewheel when warm.
I don't see why a heavy duty one should freewheel less than a cheap AT THE
TIMES WHEN IT SHOULD.

My uncle's Peterbuilt has an air clutched fan. Now that works great.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:38:12 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - tranny

New shifter, fits in the top of the transmission, takes about 10 minutes to
replace, junk yard should be about 10 bucks.

Bob


Joel Thomas wrote:

> I have a T-18 in my 84 F-150 4x4
> the shifter just flopped over today I was shifting
> in reverse and it just fell over and now you can't change gears and it is
> pointed at the passenger now, is this easy to fix and if it needs a rebuild
> would it be that hard to swap in a C-6?
>
> can I get some information about the c-6 swap from someone??
>
> thanks
> Joel
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:13:13 -0800
From: "Kevin Crandall" anv.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan

There has been a lot of talk about clutch fans lately, and I have a
question. Can you just remove the clutch fan and replace it with an after
market fan that rotates all the time? Will it cause any problems? Thanks

Kevin

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:27:00 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fan

It will burn a little more fuel, any other reaction is negligible.

Bob


Kevin Crandall wrote:

> There has been a lot of talk about clutch fans lately, and I have a
> question. Can you just remove the clutch fan and replace it with an after
> market fan that rotates all the time? Will it cause any problems? Thanks
>
> Kevin
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:47:58 -0600
From: Tom Wiggins earthlink.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Propane

Hi guys


Is anyone running a F250 on propane? If so. what kind of mileage are
you getting?

Diesel fuel is getting too high here in the midwest. 1.30 a gallon. I'm
thinking about trading for a
F250 with a 351 HO and switching to propane.



Tom

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:09:16 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons" idirect.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 4x4 Reliability

> I've been looking at 4wd F-250's between '93-'97. Consumer Reports
> consistently rates 4wd as "much worse than average" across the board
> compared to 2wd. Anybody know why,

(besides Consumer Reports is fos)?

That about says it.

> Anybody have any experience with F-250 4x4's?
>
> thanks,
> Bill G

Just understand that the front end is going to need maintenance. There are
a lot of moving parts out in the elements.
For the rest of the truck it's pretty much just like any other.

Matt


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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:28:47 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Propane

>Hi guys
>
>
>Is anyone running a F250 on propane? If so. what kind of mileage are
>you getting?
>
>Diesel fuel is getting too high here in the midwest. 1.30 a gallon. I'm