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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - limited slip question/dual exhaust comment
FTE 80-96 - Am I covered in the dual tank "recall"
FTE 80-96 - Convert 2WD to 4WD
RE: FTE 80-96 - help!
RE: FTE 80-96 - help!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Convert 2WD to 4WD
Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers
Re: FTE 80-96 - DI propane?
FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Convert 2WD to 4WD
Re: FTE 80-96 - DI propane?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?
FTE 80-96 - Underheating?
FTE 80-96 - Torsen Differential
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Torsen Differential
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - help!

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:23:44 -0600
From: BAH NWC.EDU
Subject: FTE 80-96 - limited slip question/dual exhaust comment

With the discussion on limited slips...has anyone had experience
with the new Detroit "gearless" locker? It looks interesting, but I
haven't heard any reports from the real-world.

I'm just looking for increased (winter) rear axle traction...don't do
hard core off-roading, don't need the ultimate pull (or want the noise
and racheting) of the original Detroit locker, or the Lock-Rite and
E-Z locker drop-ins.

Have also heard good things about the Auburn cone-style clutch
limited slip diff (like the earlier post).

Re: dual exhaust, I'm running a "Heart Throb" system. Y-pipe
from the cat back to glass-pack style stainless tips. It REALLY
sounds nice...a little louder than stock (my wife would say a lot
louder), no bark or snap, just a beautiful deep rumble.

Bruce Hanson
'86 F-150
Apple Valley, MN


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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:44:14 +0500
From: "James" colstate.edu>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Am I covered in the dual tank "recall"

Ken,

You could call the NHTSA "hotline" and let them know you have a
problem. It seems like they may widen the "recall" if they get
enough complaints; the # is 800-424-9393

HTH,
James Hiers

> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:50:05 -0500 (EST)
> From: Ken Woods kens.com>
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I covered by the dual tank "recall"
>
> Yup, been there, done that.
>
> They say that I'm not covered.
>
> Seems rather strange to me.
> Ford recognizes that there is a problem.
> I have all the symptoms of said problem.
> Yet, I'm not covered.
>
> Suggestions?
>



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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:56:25 +0500
From: "James" colstate.edu>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Convert 2WD to 4WD

Hi Guys,

I have a 1989 F150 2WD with the 300 six and mazda 5 speed. I found
an 83 4x4 with a 4 speed and 300 sixt. So how much different is the
89 2WD chassis from the 83 4WD chassis? Would the 4WD components
"bolt up" to the 2WD frame or is fabrication work involved?

Another avenue I've considered is to find a 70's straight axle 4x4
and use that as a donor to convert my 2WD; I understand that this
approach would be much more involved.

So what do you guys think?

Thanks,
James Hiers



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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:27:24 -0800
From: Eric Sneed reil.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!

I had a similar experience with an Escort last summer. That vehicle however
did not have a tilt wheel, so it took about three hours to finish the job.
My truck is a floor shifted manual, so I hope that might save me some time.

Thanks again to everyone for all of the great info!

Eric S
89 F150

-----Original Message-----
From: Harris, Scott [SMTP:SHarris dfwairport.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:35 PM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!

The part that breaks is connected with that rod up by the key
tumbler. It's
actually a odd-shaped linkeage that interconnects the shifter lock,
steering
lock and ignition switch. If it is like my 85, look around where
the
tumbler is and there is a little hole with a recessed pin. Stick
something
pointed in there with the key in the "on" position and your entire
tumbler
"should" pull right out. If the tumbler ass'y has the little tab
that moves
the linkeage attached its the interlock that is broken, just fish
the broken
piece out. If the tumbler is in good shape, get
ready.....disassemble your
steering column from the wheel down to the shifter and I do mean
disassemble! I have a tilt wheel and I spent about 6 hours
replacing the
broken piece. Actually I didn't know what was broken at first, I
just
started taking it apart. The replacement was I think about $12 at
Ford and
it is a common failure because the parts guy just reached in a
drawer and
tossed it to me. I had to drop the column from the instrument panel
to get
to all the nuts and bolts. You also have to work on the bottom
side of the
shifter, it has 3 allen bolts that hold the shifter ass'y onto the
column.
When reassembling run through the shift ranges to make sure that
everything
is working before having to go back in. Also while you are there
and you
have a tilt wheel check the hinge points for the tilt. Mine was out
on one
side and I didn't even realize it.

Mine works great now but do better than me.....I had only 2-3 extra
pieces
left over!

Scott Harris
'85 F150SC

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D. Mitchell [mailto:mdm peppersnet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 7:18 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!


ESneed reil.com wrote about his broken ignition actuator switch.
Talk about
timely! The same thing happened to me yesterday on my '88 F-250. Key
spins
way around and no start.
My steering column is already busted up since someone stole
the
truck
before I bought it (I didn't buy it from the thieves!) and I found
the rod
that runs down the steering column but pushing it doesn't do any
more than
turning the key. Mine will still turn to the On position though.
Haven't
tried hotwiring it yet.
I've got some questions though. Where is the part that
breaks? At
the end
of that rod? How to get to it? Probably more importantly in my case,
since
I need to replace the steering column anyway, wouldn't this be part
of the
package?
Since I live in a remote part of the Southwest Texas
Badlands, my
local
mechanic can't seem to find a used steering column for me. Anyone
out there
have one for a reasonable price? Maybe even in San Antonio (I don't
know if
shipping costs would be practical for this). This is an '88 F-250
with 5
speed standard tranny.

Thanks a bunch. Great list!
Mike Mitchell
Uvalde, TX


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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:49:45 -0600
From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!

>Also while you are there and you have a tilt wheel check the hinge points
>for the tilt. Mine was out on one
>side and I didn't even realize it.

I have a little wiggle in my steering wheel. It's a tilt column. I wonder
if the hinge points you're referring to might be what's going on?

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:06:40 EST
From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Convert 2WD to 4WD

wel from the trucks i looked at...4x4 and 2x4 , to get my 351w, for my swap,
the frames are the same, at least up front, ..i'd like to be informed on if
your gonna do it..see how it goes
nick
85 f150 4x4 351w 4spd
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:17:36 EST
From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers

well for my truck, im gonna go full length headers then glaspacks then
straight pipes out the side, for now at least..it will be loud but thats what
i want until i get a new exhuast system from flowmaster. and for the cops,
does anyine know how much they'll ticket you for no cats....no cops around me
have a desable (sp?) reader so they cant get you for too laud exhuast. at
least for now anyway. i live in mohrsville pennsylvannia. in the country,
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:06:21 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - DI propane?

>Hi Chris,
>Please pardon my ignorance, but what's a DI head ? And what are you trying to
>accomplish - more details, Please.
>If it's what I think you mean, it already been done - how many do you want?
>
>One of the wonderful things about the Auto Industry, there is no such thing
as a
>crazy idea, just ideas that don't quite work the way you expected!! It doesn't
>matter how hairbrained and left of field it may sound to you, someone,
>somewhere, has, or is trying it !!!
>
DI or direct injection where the fuel is added directly to the cylinder just
prior to the spark. This is the same (almost) system that diesels use. The
differance bieng in the diesel there is no spark... A DI head would have an
extra hole in each combustion chamber for the injector. I'm not sure if
there is space in the head for an injector or if it would come out somewhere
under the rockers. The idea behind DI is that compression ratios canbe
higher without any pre-detonation problems, not to mention that the engine
computer can really control the mixture based on driving habits.
Chris
'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
284K Km

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:36:39 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?

How can I test my fan clutch? My original's bearings went bad on my 88
F-150/302 so I replaced it with one from AutoZone. Everything seemed to be
fine and it cooled ok until driving with my snowplow on this winter.

Snowplows are notorious for overheating due to blocking airflow to
radiators. But last winter, with the old fan clutch, I never had any
heating problem. Last week I even made a scoop out of part of a bug shield
to direct air right down into my grill. This helped some, but I still think
my fan just does not want to grab ahold and pull some air.

Can you guys tell when your fan clutch locks up? At what temperature should
it? The fan clutch on our diesel Ford locks up whenever the temperature
gauge reaches about 1/3 of the way up the scale, then unlocks when the
gauge drops a few degrees. When it locks up you can hear it roar and it
puts a pretty good load on the engine.

The fan clutch on my F-150/302 never makes any noise or creates any
perceivable load. So is it not working right?

Thanks.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:24:47 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers

>well for my truck, im gonna go full length headers then glaspacks then
>straight pipes out the side, for now at least..it will be loud but thats what
>i want until i get a new exhuast system from flowmaster. and for the cops,
>does anyine know how much they'll ticket you for no cats....no cops around me
>have a desable (sp?) reader so they cant get you for too laud exhuast. at
>least for now anyway. i live in mohrsville pennsylvannia. in the country,

I don't think cops generally care about cats. That is usually the EPA or
some other environmental extremist gestapo group. If you don't live in an
area that requires emmissions testing, then I doubt anyone would care if
you have them on or off. Don't ask any professional shop to take them off
for you because it is illegal for them to do it.


Blake
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:21:34 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Convert 2WD to 4WD

>Hi Guys,
>
>I have a 1989 F150 2WD with the 300 six and mazda 5 speed. I found
>an 83 4x4 with a 4 speed and 300 sixt. So how much different is the
>89 2WD chassis from the 83 4WD chassis? Would the 4WD components
>"bolt up" to the 2WD frame or is fabrication work involved?
>
>Another avenue I've considered is to find a 70's straight axle 4x4
>and use that as a donor to convert my 2WD; I understand that this
>approach would be much more involved.
>

Do the 70s straight axle one. Even Ford learned that straight axle is the
way to go.

Have someone that's good make a video of the whole process. Then you can
sell the tapes.


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:40:20 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - DI propane?

>DI or direct injection where the fuel is added directly to the cylinder just
>prior to the spark. This is the same (almost) system that diesels use. The
>differance bieng in the diesel there is no spark... A DI head would have an
>extra hole in each combustion chamber for the injector. I'm not sure if
>there is space in the head for an injector or if it would come out somewhere
>under the rockers. The idea behind DI is that compression ratios canbe
>higher without any pre-detonation problems, not to mention that the engine
>computer can really control the mixture based on driving habits.

300SL Mercedes sports cars had direct injection in the 50s.


Blake
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:05:35 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?

Blake Malkamaki wrote:

> snip.
>
> The fan clutch on my F-150/302 never makes any noise or creates any
> perceivable load. So is it not working right?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Blake
> Little Mountain
> Concord, Ohio
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> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
> "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
> "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."
>
>

Turn the fan with the engine cold, then run the engine to operating
temperature. Shut it off and turn the fan again, there should be a noticeable
difference. The fan clutch should make it harder to turn.

Good Luck.

Bob



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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:50:31 -0500
From: S Spaulding worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?

Blake,

I've been through the bad-clutch-with the plow routine. It would be
fine at low speeds while plowing, but between jobs, over 20MPH or so, it
would overheat. After I replaced the clutch, you could definitely hear
a change in the roar of the fan as it heated up.

Steve
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:48:17 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?

The recent talk of overheating reminded me of my current problem. Right now
my truck is "underheating" ie not moving far above C on the temp gauge and
not getting much warm air from the heater. What could cause this? I'd like
to fix this problem because this rolling fridge thing is getting old. And
yes my cooling system is full.
Chris
'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
284K Km

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:05:44 -0800
From: "Mark Behling" earthlink.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Torsen Differential

Looks like there has been allot of discussion lately about Limited Slip Diffs and have
been in the market for one as well. The best source I've found so far for them, believe
it or not is the Ford SVO catalog. Which unfortunately isn't available on line, but
there is some dealer in Texas who has an on-line SVO P/N and price list at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://oemfordparts.com/partslist.asp?CategoryID=40

From the catalog Ford offers 4 different types of LS Diffs for the 8.8" axle:

Auburn Diff 8.8 M-4204-A31
Trak-Lok Diff 8.8 M-4204-F318
Aub Pro Diff 8.8 M-4204-P31
Torsen Diff 8.8 M-4204-T31

After reading Matt's Email concerning the Trak-Lok and that you have really gas it to
get it to work. I don't think it will work for me, as I need something that will work
in slick conditions using a light throttle. According to the SVO Catalog, it states the
Torsen Diff is the finest Diff made. So I did a search on the internet to find out
more, and found some info at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.zhome.com/ZCMnL/tech/Torsen/Torsen.htm (which
is actually way too much info on the unit) Anyhow, right now I'm deciding between the
Auburn or Torsen and was wondering if anyone out there had any experience with the
Torsen unit?

Mark
'96 F150 I6 5sp
San Diego, CA

>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:55:31 -0500
>From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Limited Slip diffs
>
>>I was unaware that Ford put Limited Slip diffs in the front from the
>>factory. I knew they used to in the 70's but the '80's & '90's? Auburn
>>gear makes a great replacement limited slip. I had one in my '89 GT
>
>Mine is an 88 and has factory front limited slip. Not sure if you can still
>order it, but I don't know why not.
>
>Blake
>Little Mountain
>Concord, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:15:42 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?

>Blake,
>
>I've been through the bad-clutch-with the plow routine. It would be
>fine at low speeds while plowing, but between jobs, over 20MPH or so, it
>would overheat. After I replaced the clutch, you could definitely hear
>a change in the roar of the fan as it heated up.
>
>Steve

It sounds like my clutch is no good. AutoZone said it has a lifetime
guarantee and they would replace it or give my money back - whichever I
want.

I think I will try Bob's advice too and see how the fan turns after running
my truck with the plow on and the temperarture gauge up.

If I take it back, is there a better brand to buy?


Blake
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:18:01 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?

>The recent talk of overheating reminded me of my current problem. Right now
>my truck is "underheating" ie not moving far above C on the temp gauge and
>not getting much warm air from the heater. What could cause this? I'd like
>to fix this problem because this rolling fridge thing is getting old. And
>yes my cooling system is full.
>Chris
>'84 F150
>351W on propane
>NP 435
>NP 208
>284K Km
>

It sounds like you need a new thermostat.


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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 22:08:41 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?

Most likely thermostat stuck (failed) open.

At 19:48 14/01/00 -0800, you wrote:
>The recent talk of overheating reminded me of my current problem. Right now
>my truck is "underheating" ie not moving far above C on the temp gauge and
>not getting much warm air from the heater. What could cause this?


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:30:35 -0500
From: S Spaulding worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?

Most likely, either the thermostat is sticking open, or it is a low
temperature thermostat.

Chris McKinnon wrote:
>
> The recent talk of overheating reminded me of my current problem. Right now
> my truck is "underheating" ie not moving far above C on the temp gauge and
> not getting much warm air from the heater. What could cause this? I'd like
> to fix this problem because this rolling fridge thing is getting old. And
> yes my cooling system is full.
> Chris
> '84 F150
> 351W on propane
> NP 435
> NP 208
> 284K Km
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:21:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods kens.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Torsen Differential

Get an ARB, and be done with it.


On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Mark Behling wrote:

> Looks like there has been allot of discussion lately about Limited
> Slip Diffs

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Ken Woods
kwoods kens.com

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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:42:49 -0600
From: "Dennis Thompson" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?

If your vehicle overheats, and you have any doubt...
replace it.
They're not that expensive.

SPECTRE

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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:07:55 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?

>If your vehicle overheats, and you have any doubt...
>replace it.
>They're not that expensive.
>
>SPECTRE

The problem is... this one is brand new. I want to know if it is working or
not before I replace it. And if this new one is not working, I want to
replace it with a better made one that will work.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:08:26 -0600
From: "Mike Persell" home.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?

Propane burns cooler and requires a cooler thermostat.

Mike Persell
'85 F150 Stepside

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From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Underheating?


>Most likely thermostat stuck (failed) open.
>
>At 19:48 14/01/00 -0800, you wrote:
>>The recent talk of overheating reminded me of my current problem. Right
now
>>my truck is "underheating" ie not moving far above C on the temp gauge and
>>not getting much warm air from the heater. What could cause this?
>
>
>Jim Cannon
>Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
>'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
>'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:09:47 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?

<< It sounds like my clutch is no good. AutoZone said it has a lifetime
guarantee and they would replace it or give my money back - whichever I
want.
I think I will try Bob's advice too and see how the fan turns after running
my truck with the plow on and the temperarture gauge up.
If I take it back, is there a better brand to buy? >>

You can save $$ at discount parts houses on lots of things like oil, filters,
spark plugs and chemicals, but when it comes to the hard parts like fan
clutches, in-tank fuel pumps, off-brand brake components, rebuilt starters
and alternators, clutches etc., I prefer to use either dealer stock or
CarQuest / NAPA depending on what it is..... lifetime warranty on parts
doesn't mean s**t if I spend my lifetime taking them off, hauling them back
just to re-install them for free. I guess doing it for a living has taken
some the joy out of skinning my knuckles. ;)~To make a short story long
(sorry), my best advise to would be to either get a name-brand fan clutch
(from Ford - less than $60 for heavy duty) or consider going to electric
fans....I've been running them for years and love the many advantages, and
can't think of even one disadvantage. (I've got a really neat way to control
them that is tidier and more dependable than the control kits that are
available)
Alex
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:14:30 EST
From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not?

<< The problem is... this one is brand new. I want to know if it is working or
not before I replace it. And if this new one is not working, I want to
replace it with a better made one that will work.
>>
BTW, the ''roar test'' when the engine is hot is a valid test to see if the
fan clutch is operational...... know what I mean?
Alex
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:22:06 -0500
From: Jarl Skogsholm esgear.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or not ?

Use boiling water and a thermometer to test your thermostat.

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From: Blake Malkamaki [mailto:blakelittle-mountain.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 12:08 AM
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan clutches: how to tell if they are good or
not?


>If your vehicle overheats, and you have any doubt...
>replace it.
>They're not that expensive.
>
>SPECTRE

The problem is... this one is brand new. I want to know if it is working or
not before I replace it. And if this new one is not working, I want to
replace it with a better made one that will work.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
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"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."


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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:13:53 -0600
From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - help!

>
> ESneedreil.com wrote about his broken ignition actuator switch. Talk
> about
> timely! The same thing happened to me yesterday on my '88 F-250. Key spins
> way around and no start.
> My steering column is already busted up since someone stole the truck
> before I bought it (I didn't buy it from the thieves!) and I found the rod
> that runs down the steering column but pushing it doesn't do any more than
> turning the key. Mine will still turn to the On position though. Haven't
> tried hotwiring it yet.
> I've got some questions though. Where is the part that breaks? At the
> end
> of that rod? How to get to it? Probably more importantly in my case, since
> I need to replace the steering column anyway, wouldn't this be part of the
> package?
> Since I live in a remote part of the Southwest Texas Badlands, my local
> mechanic can't seem to find a used steering column for me. Anyone out
> there
> have one for a reasonable price? Maybe even in San Antonio (I don't know
> if
> shipping costs would be practical for this). This is an '88 F-250 with 5
> speed standard tranny.
>
> Thanks a bunch. Great list!
> Mike Mitchell
> Uvalde, TX

San Antonio is full of wrecked late 80's, 90,s F-150/F250s. You'll
have to check w/them on shipping. But if you can get there, most
of them will pull it and have it ready for you. And on the SW part of
the city too. Heres some places that will have the column, all on
New Laredo Hwy:

Brothers-210-924-8591
Drive In Truck Salvage-210-924-6551
National Truck Salvage 210-623-2000


Danny
fitz011ev1.net
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