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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight
RE: FTE 80-96 - Limited Slip diffs
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight
RE: FTE 80-96 - Limited Slip diffs
FTE 80-96 - Fuel gauges inop (again)
FTE 80-96 - help!
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Power stuff in a non power vehicle...
RE: FTE 80-96 - help!
Re: FTE 80-96 - electrical questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - mystery fluid? (From "top speed governor...")
RE: FTE 80-96 - help!
RE: FTE 80-96 - Limited Slip diffs
RE: FTE 80-96 - help!
RE: FTE 80-96 - help!
Re: FTE 80-96 - help!
RE: FTE 80-96 - help!
Re: FTE 80-96 - help!
Re: FTE 80-96 - help!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel gauges inop (again)
Re: FTE 80-96 - mystery fluid?
Re: FTE 80-96 - help!
Re: FTE 80-96 - help!

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:13:54 -0500
From: slikness mindspring.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight

> >My truck weight, of course it is on an '81 F150 Long bed 6cyl, is on the>door when you open it up. I don't remember if it is on the door, by the
>lock, or on the frame where the door closes into. But mine weighs around
>3700 pounds.
>

I had to get my '82 F150 extended cab, SWB, 2WD, 300 I6 weighed after hauling a bunch of stuff to the dump. They marked it at 4500 lbs.

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:57:00 -0500
From: "Chapman, David P" unisys.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Limited Slip diffs

I had a 95 F150 with limited slip front and rear. I had the same thing
happen while sitting on a hill with one wheel on ice and the other on dry
pavement. The dealer told me that the clutch pack will only work up to a
certain number of foot pounds difference between the two sides. So in
situations like you and I experienced, the limited slip is useless. It will
only work in situation where the traction is not mismatched too much.

Dave

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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Limited Slip diffs


I've got a '97 F350 4x4 (CC, PSD, SRW) with a 4.10 limited slip rear (VIN
1FTJW36F4VEA80655 - I can't at the moment find a decoder for this...).

Question is - sometimes on ice, going up my driveway, it seems that only a
single rear wheel will spin, and the other will just sit there (until 4x4 is
engaged, then the whole truck moves...).

Is this reasonable lim-slip behavior?

Thanks.
N
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:48:18 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight

My '94 extended cab Flareside weighs in at a portly 5000 lb. at race ready,
which is 1/8 tank of fuel in each tank, no tailgate, and lightweight rims
with slicks.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:34:42 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Limited Slip diffs

>I had a 95 F150 with limited slip front and rear. I had the same thing
>happen while sitting on a hill with one wheel on ice and the other on dry
>pavement. The dealer told me that the clutch pack will only work up to a
>certain number of foot pounds difference between the two sides. So in
>situations like you and I experienced, the limited slip is useless. It will
>only work in situation where the traction is not mismatched too much.
>

The previous owner put an Auburn limited slip in mine and it really works.
I know the original Ford LS in the front does slip some.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:08:01 -0600
From: "Stephen W.Hansen" minot.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fuel gauges inop (again)

This happened at the end of September, but after 3 days it healed it self.
Today it did it again. 92-F250 (dual tanks) both tanks went to empty. I just
filled it yesterday. The ford dealer says that if the power supply is lost,
it usually reads full, if the ground is lost, it reads empty. (Sound right?)
Could be the gauge going bad. They will "hook it up to a tester, for a
charge; I'm not ready for that yet. Besides, there is a Ford dealership in a
small town 50 miles away that I'd take it too first. As they don't have the
populous around them, there service is wonderful. Not like the dealership in
town. Anyway, all fuses usually control more than on item and everything
else works so I know it isn't a fuse.
Any Ideas?
Stephen Hansen
92 F250
50 F-1
ICQ 351682

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:26:14 -0800
From: Eric Sneed reil.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - help!

Help!

I went to lunch and my truck would not start! I turned the key and it
sounded like something broke! Now the key just turns freely back and forth.
I believe that this would be the ignition actuator(I think that is what it's
called) alongside the steering column.
Is there a way to bypass this so I can get my truck home.

Thanks in advance

Eric S
89 F150 $ 4sp 300


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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:37:46 EST
From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Power stuff in a non power vehicle...

thankx for the info jared...nick
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:41:41 -0700
From: "Robert M. Hansen" uwyo.edu>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!

You can jump it at the solenoid. One of the two small wires on the
solenoid, I think it is the top one, when shorted to the big cable on the
solenoid from the battery. Remember to take the tranny out of gear so the
truck does not try and run over you. It will be about $150 to 200 for the
repair at the shop.

Good luck

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:11:42 EST
From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - electrical questions

Hi,
i have a question, what does the computer proccessor do..does it controll the
electric choke, and if it doesnt, what does. And is there anyhting else that
it controll...remember i have a 82 carbuerated 351w
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:15:33 -0800
From: John Jensen - Ericsson ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mystery fluid? (From "top speed governor...")

Hey Randy.... Did you want to comment on this email also??? I see there
might be a homicide investigation here you can get into...

Dave... Didn't mean to barge in on your email. Just had to see if 'ol Randy
didn't want to add his comments to your email as well... Since he had time
to respond so kindly to mine. Being that I'm a Felon and all.

At 12:27 AM 1/11/00 -0600, David Trowbridge wrote:
>dat blame it i thought i had removed all the evidence from the dead
>body........ did i say that out loud? hehehehe i'm going to look a
>little closer at it tommorrow to see if i can find the origin of it.
>
>David
>85 F-150 300 I6
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:28:44 -0800
From: Eric Sneed reil.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!

Thanks, I have three posts on the solenoid, positive, negative and a third
post on top. There is a little wire with a 90 degree rubber pug, would I
short the wire(plug) on the positive post or would I short the post itself?

Thanks again

Eric S
89 F150 $ 4sp 300

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From: Robert M. Hansen [SMTP:rhansen uwyo.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 2:42 PM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!

You can jump it at the solenoid. One of the two small wires on the
solenoid, I think it is the top one, when shorted to the big cable
on the
solenoid from the battery. Remember to take the tranny out of gear
so the
truck does not try and run over you. It will be about $150 to 200
for the
repair at the shop.

Good luck

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:49:22 -0800
From: John Jensen - Ericsson ericsson.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Limited Slip diffs

I've had a 4X (F150) with L.S. front and rear... worked well until I put
35"s on it. Then it seemed to change and not work as well. But it still worked.

Then I had a 2X (Ranger) with L.S. and a 8.8 rear end. It worked really
well. I ran 33"s on it and it didn't phase the clutches. They locked up no
matter the torque.

Last but not least, my F350 dually (that get's all the traction in the
world) and has the monsterous rear end, locks up well. And if I feel like
it.... will allow it to spin both sets of tires on dry asphalt.

Soooo.... the foot pounds theory is dependant on the size of the axle I
believe. If the theory holds water (not literally!) :)

John



At 08:57 AM 1/11/00 -0500, Chapman, David P wrote:
>I had a 95 F150 with limited slip front and rear. I had the same thing
>happen while sitting on a hill with one wheel on ice and the other on dry
>pavement. The dealer told me that the clutch pack will only work up to a
>certain number of foot pounds difference between the two sides. So in
>situations like you and I experienced, the limited slip is useless. It will
>only work in situation where the traction is not mismatched too much.
>
>Dave
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:03:34 -0800
From: John Jensen - Ericsson ericsson.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!

Being you have only a 3 post solenoid;
One post (large) goes to the starter
One post (large) goes to battery 12v
One post (small) goes to key/start

Jump the small post to battery, truck will turn over and start.

When you have a 4 post... it's the same but one of the small posts is
ground and not always easily detectable as such.


At 03:28 PM 1/11/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Thanks, I have three posts on the solenoid, positive, negative and a third
>post on top. There is a little wire with a 90 degree rubber pug, would I
>short the wire(plug) on the positive post or would I short the post itself?
>
>Thanks again
>
>Eric S
>89 F150 $ 4sp 300
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert M. Hansen [SMTP:rhansen uwyo.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 2:42 PM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!
>
> You can jump it at the solenoid. One of the two small wires on the
> solenoid, I think it is the top one, when shorted to the big cable
>on the
> solenoid from the battery. Remember to take the tranny out of gear
>so the
> truck does not try and run over you. It will be about $150 to 200
>for the
> repair at the shop.
>
> Good luck
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:19:55 -0800
From: Eric Sneed reil.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!

Ok,
I jumped the small post to the positive post,
the truck turns over but will not start. What could I be doing wrong?

Thanks again

Eric S

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From: John Jensen - Ericsson [SMTP:j.jensen ericsson.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 4:04 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!


Being you have only a 3 post solenoid;
One post (large) goes to the starter
One post (large) goes to battery 12v
One post (small) goes to key/start

Jump the small post to battery, truck will turn over and start.

When you have a 4 post... it's the same but one of the small posts
is
ground and not always easily detectable as such.


At 03:28 PM 1/11/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Thanks, I have three posts on the solenoid, positive, negative and
a third
>post on top. There is a little wire with a 90 degree rubber pug,
would I
>short the wire(plug) on the positive post or would I short the post
itself?
>
>Thanks again
>
>Eric S
>89 F150 $ 4sp 300
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert M. Hansen [SMTP:rhansen uwyo.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 2:42 PM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!
>
> You can jump it at the solenoid. One of the two small wires
on the
> solenoid, I think it is the top one, when shorted to the big
cable
>on the
> solenoid from the battery. Remember to take the tranny out
of gear
>so the
> truck does not try and run over you. It will be about $150
to 200
>for the
> repair at the shop.
>
> Good luck
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:31:15 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - help!

hey Eric,
Do you have the key on by chance? If you don't have the key switch on it will
not start, also please make sure that the truck is in neutral or park.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:39:11 -0800
From: Eric Sneed reil.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help!

The key turns freely, only in the "acc" do the engine lights on the dash
come on. When I put the key in the "run" or "on" positions, no lights no
nothing.

Eric S

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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 4:31 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - help!

hey Eric,
Do you have the key on by chance? If you don't have the key switch
on it will
not start, also please make sure that the truck is in neutral or
park.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:42:47 -0800
From: "Pinson" speakeasy.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - help!

The Ignition switch must be in the on position for this to work, other wise
the you won't get power to the coil. You can run a hot wire to the coil in
an emergency, but I don't recommend it.

Britt Pinson
pinson speakeasy.org

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:41:43 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - help!

Eric-
Having read all of the very helpful posts on how to get your truck to crank
(and how to hot-wire it) might I suggest that you investigate the rod that
runs down the top of the steering column from the ignition key cylinder TO
the actual ignition switch? The switch mounts down under the instrument
panel. If you remove a bit of trim from around the steering column you
should be able to reach up there and feel it. You can also follow over from
the wiring harness to the switch.

Push the rod DOWN toward the front of the truck while turning the key until
the instrument lights come on. You have now turned the ignition on. Now go
jump the starter solenoid and it should start. Heck, if you push the rod
hard enough, it will crank and start! Drive it straight home or to the shop
of your choice.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:53:46 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel gauges inop (again)

Steve-
If the '92 guages work like my '80 (and I think they do) then they read
empty when power is lost OR the ground is lost through sender, and full if
wire to sender is shorted to ground.

On my 1980 there is an Instrument Voltage Regulator (IVR) that supplies the
power used by the guages.

Do you have a TEMP and/or oil PRESS guages? If so, what do they read during
all this? Pretty normal? If so, then it is not the IVR, because these
guages use the IVR also.

Fuel guages go through the fuel tank selector switch also, so you might
want to check that switch if the temp/oil guages seem ok.

At 14:08 11/01/00 -0600, you wrote:
>This happened at the end of September, but after 3 days it healed it self.
>Today it did it again. 92-F250 (dual tanks) both tanks went to empty. I just
>filled it yesterday. The ford dealer says that if the power supply is lost,
>it usually reads full, if the ground is lost, it reads empty. (Sound right?)


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:26:29 -0500
From: "Mark Salvetti" mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mystery fluid?

>David, I have been watching this post and I need to say DON'T TASTE ANY
>FLUIDS. It's just not worth it. I hope you can figure it out. Good luck to
>you.

I can't believe I'm admitting this in front of hundreds of people, but this
reminds me of an RX-7 I used to have. One day I found brake fluid had
accumulated on the lip of one of my alloy wheels. Couldn't figure out how
it got there, as it seemed a bizarre place for it to be. Nothing on the
ground, and the reservoir was still full.

Told a friend about this, and he told me brake fluid had a horrible, bitter
taste. He suggested I try a little on the tip of my tongue. Well, I was
young and stupid (now I'm not so young anymore), so I tried it, and he was
right! Nasty!

So I figured I'd keep an eye on the fluid level, and start thinking about
rebuilding the caliper on that side. Until I looked out the window a couple
of days later and saw a dog relieving himself on my wheel.

Mark
1986 F150 2WD

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:11:23 EST
From: LGRanch aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - help!

There is a $5 part in the ignition that broke. Many many break. Inorder to
replace this the steering column has to be taken apart. If you have a tilt
wheel this is a 3 to 4 hour job.

You may be able to start the truck by pushing the rod that runs along the
steering column towards the firewall. Be careful the broken part also locks
the steering wheel from turning. Sometime during the trip home the sterring
could lock. This depends on if the part is cracked or broken.
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