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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - power windows and doors
FTE 80-96 - Headers
FTE 80-96 - HELP STOP THE NJ AUTO EMISSIONS TEST
FTE 80-96 - bonnie & clyde
FTE 80-96 - Help With Tires
FTE 80-96 - Re:Bad News?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers
re: FTE 80-96 - Late model Auto Hubs (Removal)
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re:Bad News?
Re: FTE 80-96 -Thorley Headers
RE: FTE 80-96 - Help With Tires
FTE 80-96 - Diesel swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Bad News?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Bad News?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Help With Tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers
FTE 80-96 - Parts suppliers
FTE 80-96 - Late model Auto Hubs (Removal)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Late model Auto Hubs (Removal)
Re: FTE 80-96 - bonnie & clyde
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Lubing the Chassis / Funny Story

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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:22:02 -0500
From: "Mark F. Burgo" surfshop.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - power windows and doors

Kits are available from JC Whitney. I used them once, took a little while to
get everything installed and working properly but all went pretty smooth...


Mark

On Wed, 05 Jan 2000, you wrote:
> I know I've seen aftermarket power units(can't recall where) for manual
> windows but you might check wrecking yard for the assemblies and if ends up
> being complicated try changing the whole door!(of course calls for a paint
> job...)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lingus0169 aol.com [mailto:Lingus0169 aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 8:39 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 -
>
>
> well my project is underway..but i have a question... how hard would it be
> to put the flywheel and clutch in, if i already put the engine in?... and
> has
> anyone put in power door locks and power windows in their truck, which had
> neither? im curious to how hard it would be to do this..im working on making
>
> my truck the beast...and being a beauty(for the ladies ,of course)
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 08:18:10 -0500
From: slikness mindspring.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Headers

"Cheap" is relative. From what I have read, you can purchase cheap, but the life expantancy and the exhaust leaks will more than offset more expensive headers. Also, if you want the right fit, you need to purchase quality headers made for your year and model truck. IMHO, Doug Thorley headers are the best on the market unless you go with a custom set. They are long headers in a Tri-Y configuration which boosts your low end torque. I have them on my '82 F150 351W and they are great. The gaskets are thicker than most and they fit like a glove. I've even changed my starter without loosening the headers. I ran the headers to a collector and because of my two tanks crossed over right behind the headers into 12" long Dynomax cats (still dual pipes) into a Flowmaster 50 dual in dual out (cause now I'm on the same side of the truck) and cross back over the back axle and out underneath the rear bumper with 3" X 18" stainless steel tips. It looks great, sounds awesome, and I stil!
!
l pass inspection!!!

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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:05:10 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - HELP STOP THE NJ AUTO EMISSIONS TEST

Sorry for the cross post, although no one has ever told me why I
shouldn't cross post :-) Is it computer related or just not nice??

Thanks

OX (James Oxley)

PS, site is difficult to get into sometimes, keep trying :-)

> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:11:35 -0600
> To: butch covacvag.org
> From: info murraysabrin.com
> Subject: HELP STOP THE NJ AUTO EMISSIONS TEST
> MANDATES
>
> STOP THE NJ AUTO EMISSIONS TEST MANDATES
>
> Sabrin for U.S. Senate is asking all its New Jersey
> supporters to back Murray’s fight against
> environmental extremism by signing the online
> petition against NJ’s new federal auto emissions
> testing mandate.
> Sabrin’s petition, available on the web at
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.murraysabrin.com/petition.shtml.
> is asking Senators Lautenberg and Torricelli to use their influence
> with President Clinton’s Environmental Protection
> Agency to end the threat of sanctions on New Jersey
> if the state goes back to the old emissions test.
> All petition responses will be sent to both
> Senators, hopefully for their immediate action.
> The petition states that the test “is unnecessary,
> expensive and a waste of time. Motorists whose cars
> fail will be forced to pay hundreds of dollars in
> repairs. Waivers will be granted to only three
> percent of all vehicles that fail and these cars
> will be forced off the road within two years. The
> existing test, therefore, will have a devastating
> impact on low income and moderate-income people who
> need their cars to get to work. And ironically, cars
> idling in residential neighborhoods (while in line
> to be inspected) create pollution where none existed
> previously.”
> Sabrin said that “three weeks of this nightmare is
> enough and everyone in New Jersey knows it except
> for those making excuses for this fouled up system.
> Like HOV lanes and Oxyfuels, this extreme test will
> soon be abandoned. It should be sooner rather than
> later, and our Senators should learn from this and
> use their influence with President Clinton to stop
> any new testing mandates.”
>
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 06:26:56 PST
From: "Michael Surette" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - bonnie & clyde

I thought the list members would enjoy this. The following is a letter that
clyde barrow wrote to Henry Ford six weeks before his death.

Tulsa, Okla
10th April, 1934
Mr. Henry Ford
Detriot Mich.

Dear Sir;

While I still have got breath in my lungs I will tell you what a dandy car
you make. I have drove Fords exclusively when I could get away with one.
For sustained speed and freedom from trouble the Ford has got ever other car
skinned, and even if my business hasen't been strickly legal it don't hurt
enything to tell you what a fine car you got in the V8.

Yours truly,
Clyde Champion Barrow




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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:22:09 -0500
From: "Chapman, David P" unisys.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Help With Tires

Hi All,

I have a 95 Bronco (full size). I just put Goodyear Wrangler AT/S tires (31
X 10.50) on it (see a sample at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.goodyear.li/us/tires/tirecatalog/LighttTruckLighttTruckWRLATtSTL.
html) and the handling got very squirrelly. It pulls over ridges in the
road, it pulls sometimes when braking, and you really have to pay attention
when driving to make sure it stays on the road. I had the front-end aligned
with the new tires on and the toe-in was the only spec off - which they
fixed. The technician that did the job said the only thing he can see is
that the tires have a deep tread pattern that may cause this poor handling.
I was also looking at the Goodrich All-Terrain T/A tires and now wish I had
gone with those instead. But I don't really know if the problem is the tire
or something else. Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance!
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:12:34 EST
From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Bad News?

I did a compression check on my truck today cause the engine shakes and an
intermittent "puff" is coming out from the tailpipe. The truck is an 82 with
a 300
six in it. My results from cylinder 1 thru 6 are: 110 170 165 180 180 180.
I put a squirt of oil in #1 and it went up about 10psi. Also, I have oil in
the
air filter, so blowby is occurring. I am assuming that my rings are bad, at
least
in the #1 cylinder. Any other possible diagnosis? The truck still runs good,
it
just shakes till rpm's build up then it smoothes out some. Any helpful hints
or am I going to be engine shopping soon?
Thanks,
Joe 82 F100 300 I6
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:33:24 EST
From: RQTHOMSON aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers

Just put a set of Hedman on my 83 300 to 351W swap & they fit like a glove
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:55:51 -0500
From: Philip Thomason storm.ca>
Subject: re: FTE 80-96 - Late model Auto Hubs (Removal)

I just did this swap to manuals from automatics, so I've been there...

It's a bit tricky, specially with all that grease in there, but, just
ahead of the automatic 'cartridge' is a large ring that's clipped into a
groove on the inside of the hub. While it's a ring, it more resembles a
piece of coat hanger wire formed into a circle. I found mine by running a
very small screwdriver around the inside of the hub, while pushing lightly
inward, eventually, you'll find one end of the ring/wire, there should be
about 3/4" of space between the ends.
Once you've found one of the ends, try to catch it with the screwdriver,
did I mention it was a small screwdriver?, and flip one end out of it's
groove, then grab it with whatever fits in there. I kinda scraped it out
with the screwdriver, until I could grab it with some pliers.

Hope this helps.
Phil
'95 F150, 302, auto, 4x4 (now with Warn manual hubs!)
Ottawa, ON, Canada

Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:43:06 -0800
From: Pat Brown sonic.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Late model Auto Hubs (Removal)

Hi All,

I'm trying to find an intermittent squeal in my '96 Bronco,
which I'm thinking is the auto hubs. I'm planning on some
Warn premium hubs soon, but Friday I'm headed off to the
Sierras for three days of skiing, so tonight I went out
to check the existing hubs out (~40k miles).

Armed with instructions on hub disassembly, I quickly
realized I had the wrong instructions. After removing
the cover (three torx screws), there was no apparent way
to remove the drive hubs from the wheel hub. No clips,
no screws, not even any holes in the casting to see
what's going on :-(.

Anyone know the secret?

These are the late model hubs (95-ish and up), three screw
cover as opposed to the earlier models with 5 screws.

Thanks Much,
- - --
Pat Brown sonic.net> '70 F250 Crew Cab FE360/T18
Sebastopol, California '96 Bronco EB 351/E4OD '87 Baby Bronco 2.9l
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:07:01 -0600
From: "Moore, Jimmy" zymetx.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re:Bad News?

I am wanting to know the answer to this, because I too have this problem,
but I haven't done a compression check on it, yet. I just bought the block
rebuilt from Autozone, with heads, in August, '98. I just figured it was
out of time, and hopefully it's not rings.

Jim Moore
1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
1964 Ford F-100 292?
Oklahoma City, OK


- -----Original Message-----
From: BanksRVA aol.com [mailto:BanksRVA aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 4:13 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Bad News?


I did a compression check on my truck today cause the engine shakes and an
intermittent "puff" is coming out from the tailpipe. The truck is an 82 with

a 300
six in it. My results from cylinder 1 thru 6 are: 110 170 165 180 180 180.
I put a squirt of oil in #1 and it went up about 10psi. Also, I have oil in
the
air filter, so blowby is occurring. I am assuming that my rings are bad, at
least
in the #1 cylinder. Any other possible diagnosis? The truck still runs good,

it
just shakes till rpm's build up then it smoothes out some. Any helpful hints

or am I going to be engine shopping soon?
Thanks,
Joe 82 F100 300 I6
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:14:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith Lawyer yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 -Thorley Headers

Did you feel a seat of the pants (butt dyno :-))
increase in low end torque??? I really want a set of
these for my 351W.

TIA,
Keith L.

- --- slikness mindspring.com wrote:
> "Cheap" is relative. From what I have read, you can
> purchase cheap, but the life expantancy and the
> exhaust leaks will more than offset more expensive
> headers. Also, if you want the right fit, you need
> to purchase quality headers made for your year and
> model truck. IMHO, Doug Thorley headers are the best
> on the market unless you go with a custom set. They
> are long headers in a Tri-Y configuration which
> boosts your low end torque. I have them on my '82
> F150 351W and they are great. The gaskets are
> thicker than most and they fit like a glove. I've
> even changed my starter without loosening the
> headers. I ran the headers to a collector and
> because of my two tanks crossed over right behind
> the headers into 12" long Dynomax cats (still dual
> pipes) into a Flowmaster 50 dual in dual out (cause
> now I'm on the same side of the truck) and cross
> back over the back axle and out underneath the rear
> bumper with 3" X 18" stainless steel tips. It looks
> great, sounds awesome, and I stil!
> !
> !
> l pass inspection!!!
>
> Slik
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:46:08 -0400
From: "Brad Watts" nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Help With Tires

I don't know if this applies but I put 31" tires on my 90 f150 and found the
same sort of thing. My fix was to get the alignment tech to double the
caster. He had to use a hydraulic thingy to straighten the radius arms a
bit. (not many alignment shops are this good with ford front ends !!) It now
drives better than it did when it was stock.

Brad Watts / AMT
E-mail wattsb nbnet.nb.ca
Web www.amt.nb.ca


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From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Chapman, David P
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:22 PM
To: Ford Mailing List
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Help With Tires

Hi All,

I have a 95 Bronco (full size). I just put Goodyear Wrangler AT/S tires (31
X 10.50) on it (see a sample at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.goodyear.li/us/tires/tirecatalog/LighttTruckLighttTruckWRLATtSTL.
html) and the handling got very squirrelly. It pulls over ridges in the
road, it pulls sometimes when braking, and you really have to pay attention
when driving to make sure it stays on the road. I had the front-end aligned
with the new tires on and the toe-in was the only spec off - which they
fixed. The technician that did the job said the only thing he can see is
that the tires have a deep tread pattern that may cause this poor handling.
I was also looking at the Goodrich All-Terrain T/A tires and now wish I had
gone with those instead. But I don't really know if the problem is the tire
or something else. Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance!
Dave
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:18:02 -0800
From: "S.Harkema" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesel swap

>Its it out of the realm of reality to consider a diesel swap for the
>460?. What is the short list of misery I would be faced with assuming I
>could find an engine locally.

Swapped a diesel for a 460 in my dad's 84 F-350.
Short list of misery.1 460 trans will not fit diesel 2 460 radiator is
too small 3 Need different motor mounts 4 Need new exhaust and fuel
systems etc.etc.
A donor truck would br the way to go on this swap,all the little things
would cost a fortune
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:45:24 EST
From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Bad News?

how much oil do u go through joe? 82 f100?
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:47:22 EST
From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Bad News?

if your rings are bad, oil comsumption should be high, also (if its really
bad)blue smoke should be coming from the tail pipe most times, not just
during start up.
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:50:03 EST
From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers

how much did your headman headers cost...if i may ask, and were they
shorties, or full length?
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:54:13 EST
From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help With Tires

well, my brother has the goodyear wranglers all terrain and they dont stay on
the road too well, u have to be careful when its slick out...i on the other
hand have bfg's all terrain on my truck, both bfg's and the wranglers were
31x10.5, 15" rim..the bfg's definately provide better traction on wet
sufaces. road, grass,snow...personally i feel safer running bfg's on my 85
f150 4x4, soon to have a 351w. also the tread wear on the bfg's is slower.
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:04:52 EST
From: RQTHOMSON aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers

From Summit around $135 full length. They do not list the early 80 truck in
their catalog but they are available.
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:29:09 EST
From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Headers

ok thankx, but before i get some....what year,engine model, did u put them
on...did you have to "make" them fit?
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:44:03 -0500
From: "Mike Ruth" erols.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Parts suppliers

Hey everyone!
I was doing alittle research for parts supplier for one of my customers and
I come accross this interesting site:
www.greenbaypartsworld.com

They claim to have rebuild kits among other parts. They stress kits for
Ford 300. Hope this helps someone.
BTW: I am not endorsing this company, just passing a find that may not have
been found.
Mike (keeping warm in Baltimore)
99 F350 Lariat SC Diesel w/signal mirrors and heated seats!
94 E.B. Explorer with signal mirrors and htd seats
89 Bronco XLT
89 Merkur Scorpio w/htd seats


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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:32:37 -0500
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr." exit109.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Late model Auto Hubs (Removal)

Pat,

I had those auto hubs on my 95 F150 and after they blew when I really
needed them, I changed over to the Warn premiums. They're great, but I
didn't enjoy swapping them out. In fact, I never actually was able to swap
them out. I ended up breaking a lot of tools and finally had the shop do it
for $50.
The missing bit of info you need is well hidden along the inside wall of
the wheel hub. There's a retaining ring made of wire-coat-hanger-looking
metal. It's a real b*tch to get out, and after I broke more than $50 worth
of tool working on the thing, I broke down myself and brought it in. I've
heard of people using dental tools to get the ring out, but I haven't tried
them.
Good luck, and look hard. It's there.

- -Mike

>After removing
>the cover (three torx screws), there was no apparent way
>to remove the drive hubs from the wheel hub. No clips,
>no screws, not even any holes in the casting to see
>what's going on :-(.


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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 00:36:15 -0800
From: Pat Brown sonic.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Late model Auto Hubs (Removal)

"Michael J. Pasznik, Jr.", and a lot of other folks, wrote:
>
> Pat,

> The missing bit of info you need is well hidden along the inside wall of
> the wheel hub. There's a retaining ring made of wire-coat-hanger-looking
> metal. It's a real b*tch to get out, and after I broke more than $50 worth
> of tool working on the thing, I broke down myself and brought it in. I've
> heard of people using dental tools to get the ring out, but I haven't tried
> them.
> Good luck, and look hard. It's there.
>
Thanks everybody,

I went out tonight, finished the clutch job on the baby bronco, and
dragged
the big one in afterwards. Sure enough, a little, circular clip buried
in there.
Pretty amazing how you can miss something you've convinced yourself
isn't
there:-)

I'm going to order new hubs, sharpen my dental picks, and have a go at
it.
- --
Pat Brown sonic.net>
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:44:48 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - bonnie & clyde

Hi Michael,
Whoever said this list isn't educational, well just plain hasn't stuck
around long enough.
... and for all these years, after having seen multiple reruns of the movie, I
just thought that, in the final showdown, the Feds really hated C***Y's, and
treated the drivers of C***Y's accordingly ......well that's what I tell young
kiddies, 'This will happen to you, if you drive a C***Y' ........ OK so I'm no
expert on spotting pre 60's cars ....sorry..... so I'm old, but not that bloody
old.....;-))

regards
Les
Lost in the land of OZ


Michael Surette wrote:

> I thought the list members would enjoy this. The following is a letter that
> clyde barrow wrote to Henry Ford six weeks before his death.
>
> Tulsa, Okla
> 10th April, 1934
> Mr. Henry Ford
> Detriot Mich.
>
> Dear Sir;
>
> While I still have got breath in my lungs I will tell you what a dandy car
> you make. I have drove Fords exclusively when I could get away with one.
> For sustained speed and freedom from trouble the Ford has got ever other car
> skinned, and even if my business hasen't been strickly legal it don't hurt
> enything to tell you what a fine car you got in the V8.
>
> Yours truly,
> Clyde Champion Barrow
>

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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:45:31 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Lubing the Chassis / Funny Story

Hi Andy,
Having been involved in and around auto's professionally, since the age of 13,
and anybody else involved in the trade would agree, I've seen so many things happen
simply in the area of servicing, that I'm sure we could bog this list down for the
next 6 months exchanging antidotes. I have seen 'bad things' done by the customers
also, so it's not a just a one way street.
My favourite peeve is the fuel filters, especially in this era of fuel injection,
that is supposedly changed(?) several times under warranty services, and when we
see it, 3 years old, it still has proof cote on it from when the car was built !!
How is this so?? Needless to say, an oil change and lube job (see what happens,
too many years with Caltex-Texaco, still can't say grease.....) is not exactly
Rocket Science. You only have yourself to blame if something's not done. You can't
but help to learn more about you truck which in the long run will help you
'communicate' better with a mechanic, if/when professional help is required.

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ (Australia) Andy, I think we are confusing some
subscribers......


Andy Norris wrote:

> Thanks, Les.
>
> Hopefully I can get this done tonight. Part of the reason I'm doing more....


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