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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Charity Event (HELP!)
RE: FTE 80-96 - '88 stuff
RE: FTE 80-96 - '88 stuff
Re: FTE 80-96 - Correction - Radius Arm Bushings
Re: FTE 80-96 - tranny slips when cold
Re: FTE 80-96 - Sick E4OD
Re: FTE 80-96 - Thanks to Jim Cannon
FTE 80-96 - Blown fuse in 96 PSD
FTE 80-96 - flash unit
Re: FTE 80-96 - flash unit
Re: FTE 80-96 - flash unit
FTE 80-96 - Was- tranny slips...now Tranny shop tales
FTE 80-96 - What is the real mileage
FTE 80-96 - Saw this and had to say...
FTE 80-96 - 6.9 diesel mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - What is the real mileage
FTE 80-96 - What is the real mileage
FTE 80-96 - Cracked exhaust
FTE 80-96 - valve cover gasket job
Re: FTE 80-96 - valve cover gasket job
Re: FTE 80-96 - 6.9 diesel mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - 6.9 diesel mileage

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:24:42 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Charity Event (HELP!)

Due to a late start, and low contributions, the annual charity
event has been extended to January 14th. Following is the
original announcement... Please help us out, both causes are
very worthy of your support.

The Association of Ford Truck Enthusiasts (AFTE), the non-profit
club made up of Ford Truck Enthusiasts (FTE) users, is holding
their first annual charity event (actually, their second, though
they were not yet organized as a club them).

This year, AFTE is raising funds for two causes:

1. a list member's son who is a paraplegic and could really
use a decent laptop with voice recognition software. He
became disabled last year and needless to say, he's not
in the best of spirits. I think we can bring a little
joy into his life.
2. the Georgia LoRiders, a long standing Ford truck club,
is raising money for the family of a child found in the
family swimming pool. The child is brain damaged and the
father must stay home to take care of him because the mother
is VERY pregnant. AFTE is going to donate any money left
over from item 1 to the Georgia LoRiders for this family.

There are three ways you can donate:

1. Send a check or money order to:
Association of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
re: Charity Drive
Box 562
Tecumseh, MI 49286-0562

2. Via credit card on the web. The FTE web site is set up
to take credit cards. We're going to add an item to the
cart for this. You'll be able to select any amount you
want. All funds will be forwarded to AFTE for their
drive. The address is:
www.motorhaven.com

3. Via credit card on voice mail. FTE's phone number is
770-806-1955. Leave name on card, type of card, card
number, expiration date and amount to donate. Also,
PLEASE leave an address so we can mail a receipt to you.
All funds will be forwarded to AFTE for their drive.
This number is busy in the evenings!

The laptop purchase receipt and the check cut to the Georgia LoRiders
will be scanned and placed on the web site so everyone will know their
donations were well spent. There will be zero administration costs.
All money will be spent for the charity. We're trying to raise at
least $1500.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:40:17 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)" am1.ericsson.se>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - '88 stuff

Preping a vehicle for paint is a fun thing to do (once or twice). I assume
you're starting from no knowledge. If I were you, I would call around to
the local high schools, votech schools, and community colleges and ask about
an evening body shop class. They ought to be staring back up in Jan. For a
small fee you get to work on your truck, say one evening a week with
instruction, help from others, all the Bondo you can eat, sandpaper, primer,
air tools, and a warm indoor place to work in the winter. Lotsa fun and a
good deal.

David Anderson

......Anyway, I'm going to lift the truck, and when I'm done, I'm going to
paint
it. What's the best way to do the prep work by myself. I'm goin to take it
to the shop ready to shoot, so it won't cost me as much. Anyone know how to
prep for paint?.....

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:00:08 -0500 (EST)
From: katethepaintbitch katewerk.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - '88 stuff

David's advice about signing up for a shop class is excellent. Prepping a
vehicle for painting is labour intensive, time consuming work, even when
you're using the correct tools and materials, and have training and
experience. Good bodymen have the eyes and hands of sculptors.

It is also important to be realistic about your capabilities - if there is
a significant amount of rust, a poorly done existing paint job,or body
damage, you may still be better off getting some of the work
professionally done.

Another factor you should consider is that to properly repaint a truck, a
lot of it will have to be dissassembled - this means more than just trim.
It includes the truck box. And if you are planning a color change, then
you're really going to have to tear that baby apart.

Another point to remember is that today's basecoat/clearcoat systems
require a good deal of attention to detail in smoothing and preparing the
body surface. The paint is sparingly applied, and covers few sins.

- --
katethepaintbitch katewerk.com



......Anyway, I'm going to lift the truck, and when I'm done, I'm going to
paint
it. What's the best way to do the prep work by myself. I'm goin to take it
to the shop ready to shoot, so it won't cost me as much. Anyone know how to
prep for paint?.....


From: "David Anderson (EUS)" am1.ericsson.se>

Preping a vehicle for paint is a fun thing to do (once or twice). I assume
you're starting from no knowledge. If I were you, I would call around to
the local high schools, votech schools, and community colleges and ask about
an evening body shop class. They ought to be staring back up in Jan. For a
small fee you get to work on your truck, say one evening a week with
instruction, help from others, all the Bondo you can eat, sandpaper, primer,
air tools, and a warm indoor place to work in the winter. Lotsa fun and a
good deal.


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:41:15 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Correction - Radius Arm Bushings

At 15:05 28/12/99 -0500, Craig wrote:
>I have a 93 F150, the rubber bushings on the ( stabilizer bars ? ) that
>extend from the front axles back to the frame have worn to the point of
>replacement. Are there any kits that allow an easy replacement for these
>bushings. I know they are very difficult to change.

>I would like to correct my question, the bushings are on the Radius Arms.
>Some people call them stabilizer bars nut this is not accurate.

Craig-
I am somewhat surprised that your 93 has worn out these bushings already,
but it is possible. I did not find them too hard to replace on my '80 F-150
2WD, just time consuming. I wanted to replace my 2 axel pivot bushings at
the same time, so I dropped both half axels. This step took me about 4
hours; took about 3 hours to reassemble.

To replace only radius arm bushings, others have reported on the list that
they ground off rivet heads and drilled out holes in the brackets, then
dropped arm, replaced bushing and bolted bracket back up to frame. Sounds
reasonable, but I did not do it that way.

Someone posted they thought this job was dangerous. I did not think it was;
not sure what they found dangerous. The spring releases without even using
a spring compressor. Standard safety precautions should do it (sturdy jack
stands, etc.).

Good luck, what ever way you go.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:53:22 EST
From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - tranny slips when cold

I know this sounds elementary, but has the filter and screen in the trans.
been cleaned/replaced. This could be your problem.

Bill in KY
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:55:12 EST
From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Sick E4OD

Jasper Engines and Transmissions has rebuilt units. Don't have pricing, but
their web address is www.Jasperengines.com.

Bill in KY
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:15:32 -0500
From: "Craig Hall" iquest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Thanks to Jim Cannon

Jim,
Thanks for the advise, I can't believe they are worn either, but they
are badly and it makes a heck of a racket when I hit a bump. I've had the
front end checked by two different alignment shops and they both confirm
this is the only problem but neither wanted to change the bushings. I did
find a kit for standard replacement of those bushings and I believe I will
try it. If I can't get it disassembled then I can resort to grinding the
rivets. I crawled under and looked at lunch time. Thanks for the input.

Craig Hall

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Date: 29 Dec 99 14:56:19 -0700
From: Dave McCormick njc.org>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Blown fuse in 96 PSD

I've recently been having a problem with fuse #13 which controls the stop =
lamps, some ABS circuitry, cruise control among other things repeatedly =
blowing in my 96 F250 Powerstroke. When this happens the ABS warning =
light flashes in a repeating pattern. The light was on one day and then =
the replaced fuse blew reapeatedly until I stopped using cruise. Since =
then it has been fine for about 600 miles without using cruise control.

The dealer can't find any problems after an extensive (read: expensive?) =
driving test, diagnostics, etc. Has anyone else encountered this =
potentially dangerous problem?

Thanks, =
Dave McCormick
mccormickd njc.org


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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:13:06 -0600
From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - flash unit

While on the topic of electrical anomalies...

The other morning, I noticed my turn signals weren't working. Tried my
hazards, too, and nothing. Pulled in front of a store's plate glass front
and tried them again to make sure that it wasn't just the indicators that
had given out on me. Nothing happened for a few seconds, and then they
started flashing really slowly. They started improving, and a few seconds
later, they were working as they should. A couple days went by, and it
started doing it again...

Does the flash unit slowly burn out, or does it just go all at once?

Thanks,

Andy Norris
'89 F250 SC

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:45:16 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - flash unit

> Does the flash unit slowly burn out, or does it just go all at once?

Hi Andy,
Here's simple answer (based on years as a fleet mechanic): There is NO
rule on how a flasher acts when it fails. (Sometimes they make squealing
noises, sometimes they make smoke, sometimes they flash extremely fast or
painfully slow, and sometimes they are intermittent or just flat quit. No
real pattern. At a cost of less than $2.00, I replace them at the first
sign of trouble. If the unit fails again in a short time, then it's time to
start doing a little bit of diagnostics on that circuit.)
Alex
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:55:28 -0600
From: Andy Norris allenpress.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - flash unit

Thanks a bunch, Alex. Will pick one up tonight.
Andy

At 06:45 PM 12/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
> > Does the flash unit slowly burn out, or does it just go all at once?
>
>Hi Andy,
> Here's simple answer (based on years as a fleet mechanic): There is NO
>rule on how a flasher acts when it fails. (Sometimes they make squealing
>noises, sometimes they make smoke, sometimes they flash extremely fast or
>painfully slow, and sometimes they are intermittent or just flat quit. No
>real pattern. At a cost of less than $2.00, I replace them at the first
>sign of trouble. If the unit fails again in a short time, then it's time to
>start doing a little bit of diagnostics on that circuit.)
>Alex
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:27:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mike Persell" home.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Was- tranny slips...now Tranny shop tales

On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:53:22 EST, Spruce1495 aol.com wrote:

>I know this sounds elementary, but has the filter and screen in the trans.
>been cleaned/replaced. This could be your problem.

Many of the older tranny shops have said that replacing ATF in a tranny that has not
been changed in a while actually is too agressive and strips the build-up out of the
clutches in the system. The rule of thumb was that if there was a lot of material on the
bottom of the pan when you changed the fluid then you should replace the filter with a
new one and pour the old fluid back in the tranny and replace or rebuild the unit soon.

I do know that ATF is more hydraulic fluid than lubricant and that the older Ford ATF
actually included some material to make the clutches lock up rather than slip. ATF also
is a very aggressive cleaner and has been used in the past to remove built up carbon
in engines.

I haven't got enough automatic tranny experience to say whether or not this is true.
Maybe Blake or Jim can add some input.

Mike Persell
'85 F150 Shorty Stepside

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:43:38 +0500
From: "James" colstate.edu>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - What is the real mileage

I bought a 1989 F150 with only 10,000 miles on the odometer, what a
steal :) Since the odometer only has 5 digits, is there any way to
find out what the real mileage is? Could this info be "hidden" in
the electronics somehow?

Thanks and happy holidaze,
James H



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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:56:07 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier" gte.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Saw this and had to say...

>Hi Blake,
> Once again, I concur with your comments, except Ford surely can't be
held
>responsible for the quality of OEM exhaust/muffler parts, OR the ability
of the
>'installer' to do the right thing. ;-)) (4000 rpm brick wall post is what
I would
>call a classic example of that.) With due respect to all on this list,
this not a
>problem unique to only Ford cast exhaust manifolds.

>regards

>Les
>Lost in the Land of OZ


Dad and I have a "Hobby" car... a C&^%Y El Camino. Knowing NOT what I was
doing, I put a WAY mild cam, Intake, and 1.5 ratio rockers. That leads to a
brick wall as well, although stock manifolds could play a role too!!!
Being a typical C&^%Y engine, it is exhibiting signs of near extinction, in
the form of unwelcome rattling, knocking sounds!!!

My truck walls at around 4k as well, but it DOES have 198k on it! And the
thing is Heavy!!!

Dave H.
Houston
FEAR the EPA/TNRCC!!! They will take some of our freedom away!!!
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:49:39 -0600
From: Tom Wiggins earthlink.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 6.9 diesel mileage

Hi Guys, I just got a 87 super cab F250, 6.9 diesel. What kind of
mileage could I be looking at?

This is a two wheel drive and it sits as high as a 4WD. Is there any
way to lower this without going
through a lot of trouble? Thanks, Tom

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:03:59 -0600 (CST)
From: DTrowbridge webtv.net (David Trowbridge)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What is the real mileage

James, i don't know if the real mileage would be in the electronics or
not but there is a way to check. if the truck only has 10,000 miles
then you can look at the suspension and it should look real nice. if
the truck has 50,000 or more, the signs of ageing will start to
show(i.e. cracked/cracking bushings, cacked on road grim, scratches on
shocks), unless the owner took imaculate care of the truck. but if that
is the case, they should have no reason to hide the real mileage.

David
85 F-150 300 I6

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:42:14 -0500
From: "slik" mindspring.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - What is the real mileage

> I bought a 1989 F150 with only 10,000 miles on the odometer, what a
> steal :) Since the odometer only has 5 digits, is there any way to
> find out what the real mileage is? Could this info be "hidden" in
> the electronics somehow?

I don't know of anywhere in the electronics, but a title search from the DMV
will show the mileage. Each time the vehicle is sold, the mileage is
recorded. If it is over 99,999; then there is a box that is checked to show
that it has rolled over the magic 100K.

Good luck,

Slik

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:49:44 EST
From: craig n eggerman juno.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Cracked exhaust

Been watching this thread for a while.
The problem is the bolts on the front and back of the exhaust manifold.
Ford did not use a good bolt and it will snap off flush with the engine.
See TSB 89-18-10 Replace bolts with A-286 stainless steel alloy bolt
extremely high tensile strength (170,000 psi). Use good replacement bolts
from any speed shop that builds large block engines (Summit Racing). Some
of these same bolts are used in aircraft engines. Where's the guy telling
about the magnetos. When the bolts snap it will change the load on the
manifold. Exhaust brackets missing or not lined up properly will also
change the load pattern and can cause cracking. Headers are OK so long as
they fit with out a great deal of modification and have a thick flange
area that bolts to the engine. Proper bolt torque is extremely important.
Yes the temps are 1500 or more on the big block engines.
Craig
Eggerman juno.com
Casper,Wyoming
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:53:11 -0600
From: "Harris, Scott" dfwairport.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - valve cover gasket job

Truck: '85 F150 Supercab with 302 EFI. Got the air-intake plenum that
crosses over the right valve cover and pretty much nothing except the air
cleaner box over the left one.

Need to replace these valve cover gaskets and wanted to know how much time
and effort was involved in a do it yourself job on this lovely task?

Any tips or hints for this?

Thanks and Happy New Year.
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:30:42 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - valve cover gasket job

You'll need to pull the airbox off the left side, remove the box and hoses
completely. Remove coolant hose and EGR valve and linkage form upper intake
manifold. There is also a vacuum line on the rear of it. The upper intake will
have to come off to get to the valve cover on the right side. Be careful of
the fuel rails when you remove the upper intake.

You'll need to get a star bit ( I forget the size ) to get at the center bolt
for the intake manifold. You access it through a hole in the manifold, close
to where the linkage mounts.
I actually got the screwdriver, broke the handle off and fitted a 3/8" socket
on it to turn the bolt.

It's an all day job.

BTDT

Bob


"Harris, Scott" wrote:

> Truck: '85 F150 Supercab with 302 EFI. Got the air-intake plenum that
> crosses over the right valve cover and pretty much nothing except the air
> cleaner box over the left one.
>
> Need to replace these valve cover gaskets and wanted to know how much time
> and effort was involved in a do it yourself job on this lovely task?
>
> Any tips or hints for this?
>
> Thanks and Happy New Year.
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:39:33 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 6.9 diesel mileage

> Hi Guys, I just got a 87 super cab F250, 6.9 diesel. What kind of
>mileage could I be looking at?
>
> This is a two wheel drive and it sits as high as a 4WD. Is there any
>way to lower this without going
> through a lot of trouble? Thanks, Tom

Does it have overdrive? That is the whole secret of milage on these
diesels. Running these engines fast makes them really suck fuel.

Our 89 F250 4x4 diesel with C6 and no overdrive gets 14 mpg consistantly
with or without load. But the engine really screams. With overdrive this
truck would probably get closer to 20.

I never recomment lowering trucks. It's against my religion.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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