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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Neutral-Park Switch
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4,000 rpm brick wall
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhausted Manifolds
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhausted Manifolds
FTE 80-96 - Clutch safety switch
FTE 80-96 - body rust
FTE 80-96 - Dead 300ci options
Re: FTE 80-96 - body rust
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead 300ci options
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead 300ci options
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead 300ci options
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4,000 rpm brick wall

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:22:46 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)" am1.ericsson.se>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Neutral-Park Switch

On my '90 with E4OD transmission I keep getting a code 67 indicating
something wrong with the sensor for neutral and park position of the
shifter. I assume these contacts are part of a switch located on the
transmission called a MLPS. I plan to try adjusting this thing. Seems like
someone on the list commented on doing this and I am wondering how they did
it. Also, this truck only starts with the lever in Park. Seems like it
ought to start in Neutral also. Any comment on this?

Thanks,
David Anderson

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 05:03:41 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4,000 rpm brick wall

Hi Alex, Steve, Bob, Danny, & Duane,
This is a near stock, Oz assembled truck, and you wonder why I get confused
reading the list!! Just to make things more difficult, for me, I was asked about
the problem after a lot of things were already done, and I'm insisting to see
things for my self. I don't really have a problem with the Thermoquads that are
used on most Ford Cleverland 302, 351, V8's down here. They were the only choice
Ford had when ADRule 20something was implemented down here, and they do have a
very low profile, fitted. The offending truck will bounce the tacho of 6500rpm in
the shop. This was not translating to street performance. The only thing that
was of unknown parentage now, was the near new Exhaust System, fitted by the
previous owner. The system was welded, so there was no relative easy way to
eyeball the mufflers. So how do you check the exhaust system ? The only way a
dedicated street racer knows. Unbolted the exhaust from the collector pipes, and
wired it up to the chassis.. Under the cover of darkness, idled out of the shop
and pointed it at 'dyno hill', and flatten it. Ran 6000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, pick
3rd, then backed off, do a u-turn and head back home before every copper for 20
miles around was on our tail. Big smiles all round, I guess we now have an
answer. How the hell racing car drivers put up with all that noise & racket going
on, and trying to think at the same time has me buggered!! ..... Or am I getting
old???
I used the gas-axe to cut open a muffler. Hey, I'm now plain pissed off. There
was 2 x 2" x 2' hotdog type mufflers per bank. Instead of the usual 2" hole thru
the muffler, there was a 1/2" tube with a spiral metal strip winding thru the
length of the muffler, and 'glass stuffing. A method of construction I have not
come across before, and I might add, I hope I never have the misfortune to see
again. Maybe this could work on a sub 2 ltr 4 cylinder engine, but what sort of
vandal would fit this to a 5.8 ltr V8 ?? Well, obviously it does not work real
good!!

After the recent discussion re: manifolds & backpressure, This truck had a set of
extractors. So I cannot really say if the manifold temp was excessive, but cherry
red is still cherry red hot, not that I have access to the same toys as in Phreds
'toy room' to give a more accurate reading!! ;-))

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:

> Hi Les,
> I'll bet you checked all the basics (exhaust restrictions, ignition
> advance, plugged air cleaner,blah-blah-blah) but what about that Thermo-Puke?
> On this side of the Date Line, I've never seen a Carter 4 bbl. on anything
> other than a Chrysler. Did it come that way? I suppose it would physically
> bolt up to the Ford manifold in place of a Holly (or Motorcraft) but isn't
> the TQ a spread-bore? Just a thought...
> Alex

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 05:04:38 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhausted Manifolds

Hi Blake,
Once again, I concur with your comments, except Ford surely can't be held
responsible for the quality of OEM exhaust/muffler parts, OR the ability of the
'installer' to do the right thing. ;-)) (4000 rpm brick wall post is what I would
call a classic example of that.) With due respect to all on this list, this not a
problem unique to only Ford cast exhaust manifolds.

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ



Blake Malkamaki wrote:

> I know these newer engines run a lot leaner than in the 70s, so I suppose
> that could make the manifolds run hotter. But Ford has been building a lot
> of different engines over the last 100 years, so they should know how to
> make manifolds that hold up to what their engines do.
>
> Blake
> Little Mountain
> Concord, Ohio
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> "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:29:45 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhausted Manifolds

>Hi Blake,
> Once again, I concur with your comments, except Ford surely can't be held
>responsible for the quality of OEM exhaust/muffler parts, OR the ability
>of the
>'installer' to do the right thing. ;-)) (4000 rpm brick wall post is what
>I would
>call a classic example of that.) With due respect to all on this list,
>this not a
>problem unique to only Ford cast exhaust manifolds.
>
>regards

I understand that with aftermarket parts. But from what I have been
hearing, many of these era Ford trucks are have manifold problems when only
a few years old, and with no modifications or new parts. Even my own truck
suffered the manifold cracking problem before I bought it. The previous
owner had installed a set of 'cheapie' headers to replace them. These I
have since replaced with a set of JBA headers and am quite pleased (so far).

All through the years it seems that each manufacturer has been plagued with
unique problems. For instance, the early 70s Fords had fenders that
literally succumbed to rust holes within the first year (no kidding).
Fortunately the company replaced these at no charge. By the late 70s, Ford
built the best trucks they have ever made- before or since. Chevys suffered
through several years of bad cams, and Dodge.... well, until the new styles
out now, were pretty much guaranteed to rust apart very quickly around here.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:36:24 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Clutch safety switch

Has anyone disabled their clutch safety starter switch? This switch is an
agravation and creates a down right dangerous situation, in that it does
not allow one to use the starter to move the truck off a busy road in the
event it runs out of gas or quits for some other reason.


Merry CHRISTmas to all!!!
Blake Malkamaki -- Concord Township, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:31:53 -0600
From: Robin journey.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - body rust

I own a 1993 F150 extended cab. Rust has started developping over the
wheel wells and just below the doors. I was told today that Ford
gaurantees that all trucks will not rust for 100,00 miles and that I
should ask Ford to fix the rust. Does anyone know if this is true?

Robin
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:38:54 -0600
From: "a b" uab.campuscwix.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dead 300ci options

Wife's '91 gave up on her and the horse this
weekend. I think oil pump quit after only 225,000
miles. Go figure : ) Has a bad knock, oil lite
on, even looks like it overheated judging by the
fudge in the rad, although no water in oil. Wife
said it sounded fine till it wouldn't pull
anymore. She did say that annoying red lite kept
flashing. Anyhow, I'm trying to decide whether to
get this motor built or ??. Are there crate 300ci
motors available? Used to be a machine shop I
really trusted here but they are no more. (Azie do
you know of a good one in B'ham?) My experience
with most places like Auto/Pep/Master/Etc for
motors has been awful. Would you guys build one
with this many miles and several previous
instances of, uhhh, operator oversight in checking
the oil and the thing knocking till oil was added.
Or should I replace my wife?
Thanks, BillG

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:29:14 EST
From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - body rust

Robin, I just saw your question. My '93 F150 SC has started to get a couple
of small blisters (under the paint) just below the ridge that runs along the
lower part of the cab. We are the original owners of this truck and have not
had any body disturbances (wrecks, dings, etc.) that would ahave instigated
this. The vehicle has approx. 90K. Other than that, all OK. I don't know
about the 100K thing, but I have the warranty booklet for it. I'll check it.
Bill in KY.
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:34:45 EST
From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead 300ci options

Bill, Take it from me, replacing the engine is cheaper than the wife thing.
Jasper Engines and Transmissions has a "long block" for just about every
application. Their website is www.jasperengines.com. I just had a 5.0 Class
1 long block installed in mine ('93 F150). Sorting out little idiosyncracies
at this time, but they are very easy to work with. Just a thought !!

Bill in KY
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:40:42 -0500
From: "Theodore D. Mills" martnet.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead 300ci options

>Or should I replace my wife?

Replacing the wife is the logical choice, but other factors such as loss of
intimate activity, maid service, good food, etc, may apply.

In my case I was informed that replacing the entire truck would be cheaper
after attorney fees, child support and alimony are factored in.


As for crate motors, I have a Jasper 2.8 V6 in my ranger and I'm satisfied
with it.

I had a shop install it while I was laid up with a blown out knee.

The warranty was 3yr/36000 miles if memory serves.....


As usual YMMV....


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:09:40 -0600
From: "a b" uab.campuscwix.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead 300ci options

If they spend as much on detail for the iron as they do on their website they
oughta have a good product, (except I hope their motors come up quicker!!). Does
anyone else have dealings with these folks?
Bill G

Spruce1495 aol.com wrote:

> Bill, Take it from me, replacing the engine is cheaper than the wife thing.
> Jasper Engines and Transmissions has a "long block" for just about every
> application. Their website is www.jasperengines.com. I just had a 5.0 Class
> 1 long block installed in mine ('93 F150). Sorting out little idiosyncracies
> at this time, but they are very easy to work with. Just a thought !!
>
> Bill in KY
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:07:46 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4,000 rpm brick wall

Well Les,
I'd find out where the exhaust system came from, take them that muffler and ask them
how the heck did they figure that to be the required one.

Good to hear that you've id'd the problem.

Bob


les williams wrote:

> Hi Alex, Steve, Bob, Danny, & Duane,
> This is a near stock, Oz assembled truck, and you wonder why I get confused
> reading the list!! Just to make things more difficult, for me, I was asked about
> the problem after a lot of things were already done, and I'm insisting to see
> things for my self. I don't really have a problem with the Thermoquads that are
> used on most Ford Cleverland 302, 351, V8's down here. They were the only choice
> Ford had when ADRule 20something was implemented down here, and they do have a
> very low profile, fitted. The offending truck will bounce the tacho of 6500rpm in
> the shop. This was not translating to street performance. The only thing that
> was of unknown parentage now, was the near new Exhaust System, fitted by the
> previous owner. The system was welded, so there was no relative easy way to
> eyeball the mufflers. So how do you check the exhaust system ? The only way a
> dedicated street racer knows. Unbolted the exhaust from the collector pipes, and
> wired it up to the chassis.. Under the cover of darkness, idled out of the shop
> and pointed it at 'dyno hill', and flatten it. Ran 6000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, pick
> 3rd, then backed off, do a u-turn and head back home before every copper for 20
> miles around was on our tail. Big smiles all round, I guess we now have an
> answer. How the hell racing car drivers put up with all that noise & racket going
> on, and trying to think at the same time has me buggered!! ..... Or am I getting
> old???
> I used the gas-axe to cut open a muffler. Hey, I'm now plain pissed off. There
> was 2 x 2" x 2' hotdog type mufflers per bank. Instead of the usual 2" hole thru
> the muffler, there was a 1/2" tube with a spiral metal strip winding thru the
> length of the muffler, and 'glass stuffing. A method of construction I have not
> come across before, and I might add, I hope I never have the misfortune to see
> again. Maybe this could work on a sub 2 ltr 4 cylinder engine, but what sort of
> vandal would fit this to a 5.8 ltr V8 ?? Well, obviously it does not work real
> good!!
>
> After the recent discussion re: manifolds & backpressure, This truck had a set of
> extractors. So I cannot really say if the manifold temp was excessive, but cherry
> red is still cherry red hot, not that I have access to the same toys as in Phreds
> 'toy room' to give a more accurate reading!! ;-))
>
> regards
>
> Les
> Lost in the Land of OZ
>
> FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hi Les,
> > I'll bet you checked all the basics (exhaust restrictions, ignition
> > advance, plugged air cleaner,blah-blah-blah) but what about that Thermo-Puke?
> > On this side of the Date Line, I've never seen a Carter 4 bbl. on anything
> > other than a Chrysler. Did it come that way? I suppose it would physically....


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