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Re: FTE 80-96 - Name that part [3]
FTE 80-96 - Starting problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - No oil pressure
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4,000 rpm brick wall
Re: FTE 80-96 - Starting problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - No oil pressure
Re: FTE 80-96 - 351M/9" rear
Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 64 Ford
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhausted Manifolds
Re: FTE 80-96 - Intake Install

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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 08:16:11 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Name that part [3]

In a message dated 12/25/1999 1:03:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
deis0 attglobal.net writes:

<< Many thanks to Kevin Reed in Canada for his fuel gauge fix...worked
> >perfectly.
> >
> > Happy holidays to all
> > >>
what was this fix? I missed that post....
Joe
Lost in Jersey
92 F150
happy holidays!!!!
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:51:57 -0600
From: "Sam Means" inetport.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Starting problems

I have been following the threads of Ford problems for a year or so,but have
mostly just sat back and kept quiet. The recent entries regarding starting
problems prompts me to tell a story of my ordeal about 3 years ago with my
1984 f150 (351w).
Having two fuel tanks,I always used the front tank first since the gage
only worked during the top 3/4,after which it always read less than empty.
This worked well if I ran out of gas "on the move",but necessitated a
little cranking if the tank ran dry at a stop light.One extremely cold windy
night just as I stopped for a light, I felt the engine shake and
stop.Knowing I had an empty tank, I switched to the rear tank,pumped the
accelerator a couple of times and tried to start it. The starter grunted
once as though the battery was about dead. The engine fired once and quit.I
pumped again and tried. Two grunts and the battery quit.
There I sat in the dark thinking it was going to be a long walk to a phone.
Traffic was stacking up behind me. I got out and was able to push the truck
throught the light and off the pavement onto the grass. I sat there for a
minute collecting my dread with regard to walking in the cold. Decided to
try one last time. I pumped the accelerator a couple of times; the battery
provided one grunt of the starter,and the darned thing started ?? I drove
home and tried it again after getting home. Started like there was no
problem The next morning it started right up after setting overnight in
10deg weather
I experienced the same "failure of the starter to turn the engine over after
running out of gas" a couple more times. The second time I got stuck in the
inside lane of traffic with so much traffic noise I could not tell if the
starter was trying. Fortunately my wife could hear better. After a couple of
minutes,I got out and raised the hood as a flag to people behind me. After
setting another minute or so,the starter managed to rock the engine enough
for it to start.Subsequent starts no problem unless I ran out of gas setting
still.
A short time later,the starter failed. I was sure replacing it would solve
the unusual problem. Not so! After a couple of months the battery also
failed. I don't remember ever running out of gas again under those
conditions before selling the truck, so I never knew for sure if the problem
was cured.
I described the above story to several friends whom (I thought) knew me well
enough to know I was neither tetched nor stupid,and yet were sufficently
knowledgeable of things automotive to appreciate the paradoxical humor. All
I received were strange looks and "yeah,sure" .
Sam Means

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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:49:47 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - No oil pressure

How long has the 10W30 been in the engine? It could have possibly met it's
demise on your road trip, and decided to lay in the pan at -10 degrees. The
longer it was in California, the harder it would be to adapt in the colder
region.

If it were me, I'd put it back together and see how it acts.


Bob


James Poylio wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a problem that I hope someone on the list can help with.
> On Sunday the 19th I drove my 1990 F-150 with 302 V8, 4x4, from
> Los Angeles to Minnesota for Christmas. Made the trip in 36 hours,
> and the truck ran well all the way. Stopped to rest in Colorado
> in sub-freezing temperatures, and the engine started fine the
> next morning.
>
> But when I got home, I parked the truck outside in the snow,
> in -10F cold. The next morning, when I tried to start it,
> the engine made a "breaking" sound and started right up, but
> it ran very noisily for the few seconds it took me to realize
> the oil pressure gauge was on zero and the red ENGINE light was
> on. I ran it again in this condition for a few seconds for
> my brother to verify what I had noticed, that the valves were
> making lots of noise due to lack of oil.
> The truck had 10W-30 oil in it, which was OK for California but
> not so for such cold weather. Therefore, I thought that the
> high viscosity may have caused my oil pump to fail. So, I
> went through the trouble of replacing the oil pump. What troubles
> me now is that the old oil pump, when we manually turned it
> in a pan of oil, seemed to pump very well. The pickup screen
> is not clogged, the distributor shaft and intermidiate oil pump
> drive shaft are in good shape. I have not yet replaced the oil
> pan and tested the engine with the new pump, but I've a feeling
> that the pump was not the problem.
>
> Let me ask these questions: Does my 302 have an oil pressure
> relief valve, and could it cause a no oil pressure condition?
> If so, where is it located and how do I test and then repair
> or replace it? Or, could an oil gallery plug have come loose
> and caused this problem? If so, where are THEY located, and
> how do I replace them? The engine is lifted, the oil pan and
> upper intake manifold are off. How much further would I have
> to dig into the engine to get at these?
>
> Many thanks in advance for any advice you could provide.
> I hope to drive this truck back to California on January 3,
> so somehow or other this problem must be fixed.
>
> James Poylio
>
> BTW: in the middle of all this, I replaced my cracked
> exhaust manifold with the one sent by Dave Heverin. Thanks!
> It's in good condition and fits beautifully.
> Also replaced both front engine mounts-- the two halves of each had
> completely separated. The rubber had split down the middle.
> Apparently gravity was the only thing holding my engine in place.
> ______________________________________________________
> >
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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:17:22 -0600
From: "DannyF" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4,000 rpm brick wall

> Hi All,
> Have an '87 F150, 2x4, SWB, 351 Clevo, Thermoquad 4 BBL, C6 Auto, 9"
> Diff, Dual Exhaust system. Just can't seem to get that engine to spin
> over 4.000 rpm. Done all the usual things, wet & dry Comp test OK, Carby
> rebuild, Bosch ignition, cap, rotor, leads check out OK. Checked and
> rechecked timing. Get out on the road and into the real world, and it
> just will not exceed approx. 4 g's. Couldn't pull the skin of a rice
> custard!! This truck should do better than this. I've offered a
> ridiculously low price for it, and threaten the truck with a propane
> conversion & MSD Ignition, not to suggest that this is the cure -
> current owner not impressed!!
>
> All suggestions gratefully received.

Like a few mentioned, you need to see if the secondaries are
opening fully.

We'll assume you've got the ign covered and its its advancing to
max.

Exh heat riser stuck closed?

Weak valve springs?

Whats it doing at 4000? Cutting out/misfiring or just going no
further but otherwise running fine up to that point?

Danny
danf01worldnet.att.net
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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:14:59 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Starting problems

>I experienced the same "failure of the starter to turn the engine over after
>running out of gas" a couple more times. The second time I got stuck in the
>inside lane of traffic with so much traffic noise I could not tell if the
>starter was trying. Fortunately my wife could hear better. After a couple of
>minutes,I got out and raised the hood as a flag to people behind me. After
>setting another minute or so,the starter managed to rock the engine enough
>for it to start.Subsequent starts no problem unless I ran out of gas setting
>still.
>A short time later,the starter failed. I was sure replacing it would solve
>the unusual problem. Not so! After a couple of months the battery also
>failed. I don't remember ever running out of gas again under those
>conditions before selling the truck, so I never knew for sure if the problem
>was cured.

Do you have headers? Sounds like your starter is getting hot from the
exhaust. When you stall it when things are hot, it has a hard time cranking
over, but when you let it cool down and shut it down, there is no problem.

Mine had this problem when installed my JBA shorty headers. The next day I
wired a piece of tin between the starter and the headers and never had
anymore problems.

Starters lose most of their cranking power when hot -- this is usually a
Chevy problem.


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:21:19 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - No oil pressure

>How long has the 10W30 been in the engine? It could have possibly met it's
>demise on your road trip, and decided to lay in the pan at -10 degrees. The
>longer it was in California, the harder it would be to adapt in the colder
>region.

10W30 certainly would be fine at -10. Heck, that is not that cold.


Blake
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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:29:40 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 351M/9" rear

By all means change your 351M into a 400. I did it and gained lots more
power and 2 more miles per gallon. The only differences are the crankshaft
and pistons. If you are interested, I can look up what cam I put in it, but
this truck went from totally gutless (even when new) to a real puller. BTW,
it is a '77 F-350 with New Process 435 4 speed and 3.73:1 gearing.

As far as the rear axle, if your truck has only rear antilock, you will be
much happier without it hooked up anyway. I would think the 9" would fit
right in with minimal modifications.

> I recently got a 351M out of a 1980 F150. I plan to rebuild it, and
>hopefully modify it a bit for more power, mostly low end as it is going into
>a truck. Anyone have experience with this motor? I read that the cylinder
>walls are fairly thin and that boring out will lead to overheating. From the
>spec sheets, it looks like it can be made into a 400 with just a crank, even
>the connecting rods appear to be the same size. I would like to know about
>other swaps to gain more displacement or power. Are 427, 429, or 460 parts
>interchangeable? Mainly, I am looking for heads. I will go aftermarket if I
>have to, but I would rather find something used and cheap.
> Also, I am looking to swap a 9" rear into my 89 F150 for strength, and
>because it is easier to change axle ratio. Has anyone done this? Will my
>rear ABS be a problem? Has anyone converted a 9" to a full floater? Any
>help would be greatly appreciated. Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays to all.
>Rob
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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:32:44 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles

Well the Chev Silverado model probably covers 3/4 and 1 tons too. The F-150
only covers 1/2 tons.

I am sure Ford chased away lots of F-150 buyers over to Superduties when
they made the F-150 into glamorized Rancheros.


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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:33:40 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 64 Ford

>> I just picked up a '64 pickup last night. All I know about
>> it is the body is in need of some serious help, and it's a
>> stepside. The motor is missing the water pump, etc. The
>> main question I have is what the motor is. It has an exhaust
>> pipe coming from one side of the motor, over the top front
>> of the motor, and on to the other side.

Probably a 292.


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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 02:48:27 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhausted Manifolds

>Hi Blake,
>
>I don't really know and besides, things are a little different down under.
>If you
>accept the theory that Mr. Johnson put forward, as to why cast manifolds
>crack in
>the first place, then the logical extension is, we should expect more
>problems. I
>don't really know the temperature the exhaust manifolds run at in the
>'70's, but I
>sure as hell know, in the late 90's it's hotter. Phred may be able to get
>this info
>from his 'toy room' or Ken may be able to 'cast' some light on this.
>Anyway, as this is a discussion group, and there are ?? subscribers to
>this list.
>Does anyone have a better theory to discuss? ;-)
>
>BTW: Does anyone know what the approx. floating population of subscribers
>to this
>particular list is ? I am on one other list and each time you post, you
>are told
>how many people will receive the post. I'm not complaining, just
>curious.......
>
>Well, I have posted at least 3 mails and not used the word 'Propane' -
>your luck
>just ran out.;-))
>Propane 351 V8 engines idle at about 550 rpm - considerably less than the
>petrol
>equivalent, which has to help reduce manifold temps.
>
>Blake, I noted you post on the Fire Engines with Dual Mags and that
>reminded me of
>a Citroen of the late 40's era. It had dual ignition system, both Mag & Dizzy
>selectable from the drivers seat, - I think .... it was a bloody long
>time ago!!,
>for both of us.....and I was about 12 at the time I saw it ....and NO I
>wasn't 12
>in the late 40's either!!
>

I know these newer engines run a lot leaner than in the 70s, so I suppose
that could make the manifolds run hotter. But Ford has been building a lot
of different engines over the last 100 years, so they should know how to
make manifolds that hold up to what their engines do.


Blake
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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 03:03:41 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Intake Install

>>I think I'm going to tackle resealing my intake this weekend.
>
>>Do your best to keep gunk out of the engine. Plan on an oil and filter
>>change (no Frams) just to be on the safe side. Cheap insurance.
>
>
>Good advice,also get gasket adhesive for the end seals and glue them to
>the block.Try to lower the intake straght down as opposed to sliding it
>into place.Also drop the distributer into place before any bolts.
>This helps line the manifold up.

I leave the end seals out completely and just use Ultra Blue on the ends.
Never have any leaks.

Blake
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