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80-96-list-digest Friday, December 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 363



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - Needs ideas/advice- 88 F150 supercab
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition Module
FTE 80-96 - Holidays
FTE 80-96 - RE: Header on a 300 I-6
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition Module
FTE 80-96 - Re: 64 Ford truck
Re: Re: FTE 80-96 - glasspack
FTE 80-96 - Feds Probe Ford F-Series Trucks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 64 Ford truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles
FTE 80-96 - Re: 64 Ford

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:55:09 -0500
From: "Mahaffey, Chris M" ch.etn.com>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Needs ideas/advice- 88 F150 supercab

This may or may not apply to the problem with that truck, but I'll share it
anyway. My dad has an 88 F150 which has dealer installed air conditioning.
It's a Ford system but it wasn't installed at the factory. Because this
wasn't originally on the truck the computer settings default to no air.
Whenever the air conditioner is on (A/C or Defrost) the truck will stall at
idle. To correct the problem the computer has to be "reset" by
disconnecting the battery for 15 min or so then connecting it up and let it
idle for 10 min or so. During this 10 min of idle the computer seems to
learn it has air conditioning and all is fine. If you don't give it 10 min
or so the computer uses it's defaults and it will stall at idle if the air
conditioner is being used. This is probably a rare case because of the air
not being factory installed, but it may be useful information to someone out
there.

If the dealer isn't willing to fix it I would suspect it's going to cost
more in repairs than it's worth, otherwise he'd have the repairs done and
make more money from it.

I have a 91 Mercury Sable which I need to do some maintance on (struts &
tranny fluid change) If any of you have a similar car and have done any of
this work please email me off list with any suggestions.

Thanks
Chris

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From: MykeSS aol.com [mailto:MykeSS aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 8:06 PM
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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Needs ideas/advice- 88 F150 supercab


Hi folks:

I was taking a look at an 88 F150 Lariat XLT supercab with 5.0 V8, AT and
130K miles at a dealer. Unfortunately couldn't test drive it b/c it would
cut out when any accessories were used; dealer says it has a bad alternator.

Dealer had an auto shop look at it earlier and they estimate need $800 in
repairs- brakes, alt., some other things. Dealer selling as is saying he
has
2300 in it and that's what he'll sell it for. Being absolutely new to pick
up trucks I'd like any sage advice you can throw my way. What should I be
on
the look out for? What are warning signs that a truck is ragged out, etc?
I
will be using the truck for hauling mulch and other stuff for our new house.

Will use when want to take the dogs out, etc. Not a daily driver. Thanx
much.

Mike Schell-Smith
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:06:07 -0600
From: "DannyF" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition Module

> Hi everyone. The last couple of days I had a couple of weird no-start
> episodes. Plenty of cranking and fuel, but no spark. Each time I
> checked
> to make sure my electrical connectors around the distributor were tight,
> and
> then it started right up. So I thought "loose connection" that I'd have
> to
> check out, but in the back of my mind I was also worried about the
> ignition
> module. It hadn't yet died on me while running, just the two no-starts.
>
> I guess I pushed my luck too far, because today the truck absolutely
> wouldn't start when I was about 50 miles from home. Got a tow to a
> local
> place, and $150 later I had a new module and I was on my way. You could
> see
> where the old one blew right through the gell-like stuff that covers the
> circuit board. Anyway, the shop also told me I should plan to replace
> the
> "pickup" in the distributor, as that often contributes to fried modules.
> They said I'd have to remove the distributor shaft.
>
> I can remove and disassemble the distributor OK (I think), but when I
> got
> home I checked my Haynes and I can't figure out what the shop was
> talking
> about. Is it the stator assembly? And do I really need to replace it?
>
> Thanks everyone, and Merry Christmas.

Didn't know you had a pickup on your pickup eh? I've beefed mine
up w/10 ga wire w/gold soldered connections and added a 600A
CD system to increase signal strength. I use water injection to cool
the module. More info can be found at 80-96-list fordpickups.com.

Just kidding!

Your guess is right...its the stator(w/wires/connector). "Pickup" is
just the lingo/slang that techs/shops commonly use. The shop is
CYAing. That is, they are just advising pickup/stator replacement
as good insurance. The stator/pickup *can* be the source of
premature module failure but since its difficult to test it replacement
is often recommended along w/the module. They don't want you
coming back w/another distrib related problem and you
thinking..."damn grease monkeys taking shots in the dark".

However, you might change the module only and never have
another distrib. problem.

I have 2 friends w/Ford trucks that neglected a pickup replacement
when they changed out a module and wondered why they were
going thru modules every ~year and yes, they used the dielectric
grease under the module every time.

Don't forget to look at the armature(toothed wheel) under a
magnifying glass. You want good clear points all around w/no
chips/pitting anywhere.
Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:25:30 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Holidays

I'm off until the 3rd of Jan 2K. Merry Christmas to all and Prosperous New
Year.


I've un**s*bscribed till then.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:50:24 -0500
From: Mike Johnson grangerconstruction.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Header on a 300 I-6

>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:34:05 EST
>From: MRStace84 aol.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Header on a 300 I-6
>
>Hello List,
>
>My 84 F150 is in need of an exhaust manifold, and I don't want the pay to
the
>almost $400 that local dealers want for one, and they seem to be a rare
>commodity around salvage yards, so I'm thinking about getting a header for
>it. Have any of you ever put a header on a 300? First does the header
split
>cylinders so that you have to install dual exhasust, or do all 6 pipes come

>into One, so that single exhaust will work. Also, do you have to replace
>the intake maniflod also, or can you re-use the stock one, and does not
have
>heat going into the intake like the stock manifold system did, cause any
>problems? Also, are there any companies other than Clifford Performance
that
>sell 300 Headers, and does anyone know roughly what one will cost? Sorry
for
>the bunch of questions, but thanks in advance for your help.

>Thanks, Stacy

Hey Stacy, I put a header on my 86 300 I-6. It was made by Headman Headers
and it was one that split the cylinders into 2 collectors for a duel
exhaust. I also added a 4bbl Offenhauser manifold with a Holley 390cfm Carb.
It runs great, lots more power. I put these parts on because my exhaust
manifold was cracked and I couldn't get the intake to separate from the
exhaust. I also didn't want to pay the $400 for a new one from Ford. The
header I bought cost me only $150, that was 3-4 years ago. I think your
original intake should work with a header. I know there are others on the
list that have also done this to there I-6's maybe someone else knows for
sure. On mine I have the preheat tube that comes off the air cleaner housing
attached to one of the header tubes. I live in Michigan so it does get
pretty cold here and this works fine on my truck. Hope this helps. Any more
Q's, just ask.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 08:17:36 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition Module

DannyF wrote:

> Didn't know you had a pickup on your pickup eh? I've beefed mine
> up w/10 ga wire w/gold soldered connections and added a 600A
> CD system to increase signal strength. I use water injection to cool
> the module. More info can be found at 80-96-list fordpickups.com.
>
> Just kidding!

And using a hand piece with a 2" burner (no back pressure) taped off the
vapour line of the truck's propane fuel tank, to case harden the drive
shaft!!! ;-))

Just Kidding ?? Sounds good to me, Danny............

Anyhow, Have a Legal Holiday.

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit my best wishes for an
environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive,
gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practised within
the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or
secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular
persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice
religious or secular traditions at all . . .

and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated
recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2000, but not
without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make OZ great, (not to imply that OZ is
necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "OZ-LAND" in the
southern hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, colour, age,
physical ability, religious faith, choice of Ford 'F'-series truck, or other
preference of the wishee.

(By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is
subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no
alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to
actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void
where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the
wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual
application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of
a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited
to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion
of the wisher.) - and you thought the Ford warranty claim form was tough!!

Hell, It means Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year to all the list ..........

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:34:39 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family" tir.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 64 Ford truck

The Engine that has that exhaust crossover on top front is a "Y" block Ford
V8...Seeing it is a 1964, it should be a 292 Y Block. 1964 was the last
year for the Y block

Good luck with it!

Chris "Lube" Lublin
lublin tir.com
Lube's Auto

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:15:59 EST
From: Hitman6136 aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 80-96 - glasspack


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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:43:46 -0600
From: "Stephen W.Hansen" minot.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Feds Probe Ford F-Series Trucks

Tuesday December 21 3:58 AM ET
Feds Probe Ford F-Series Trucks
WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal safety agency is reopening its investigation
into older model Ford F-series pickup trucks with dual fuel tanks after
hundreds of complaints of fuel leaks that could lead to fires.
About 1.37 million of the popular F-series pickups from the 1990 through
1993 model years still are on the road with the dual fuel tanks, the
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said Monday in its monthly
report on potential auto defects.
The report said at least 3,245 consumers complained about problems with the
fuel system, and one fatality and 19 fires were reported.
High pressure can build up in the dual fuel tanks through malfunction of the
fuel system, forcing gas to leak past the fuel cap, the report said.
In 1993, Ford recalled the F-series pickup trucks with dual fuel tanks from
the 1990-1993 model years to fix them.
The agency is looking at those F-series trucks again, however, reviewing the
recall's scope and the adequacy of the repair because there have been more
complaints about the fuel system.
Ford spokesman Mike Vaughn said Ford is cooperating with NHTSA on the
investigation.
In 1993, Ford said fuel flowing into the tank that was not in use could
overflow past the filler cap when that tank was full or near capacity. The
pickups were recalled in September to replace the fuel pressure regulator,
and check valves were installed in the fuel supply line for each tank, Ford
said.
NHTSA opens any safety investigation with a preliminary inquiry in which the
government and manufacturer exchange paperwork that includes any complaints.
The investigation then could be upgraded to an engineering analysis, during
which engineers study parts to determine whether they are defective, as in
the Ford case. An investigation eventually can lead to a recall, but many
are dropped.
In a preliminary inquiry, agency investigators are looking at 18 complaints
that the winch cable holding the spare tire under 1991-1994 Ford Explorer
sport utility vehicles fails when motorists are driving, dropping the spare
tire onto the road.
There are more than 1.2 million of the 1991-1994 SUVs on the road.
The agency also is looking into six complaints of the accelerator pedal
becoming detached while motorists are driving 1995-1996 Explorers. The
consumers allege the accelerator pedal can get caught behind the brake
pedal, interfering with braking, the report said.
About 735,000 of the 1995-1996 Explorers are on the road.

NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 93V125000
Component: FUEL:FUEL TANK ASSEMBLY
Manufacturer: FORD MOTOR COMPANY
Mfg. Campaign #: 93S68
Year: 1993
Make: FORD TRUCK
Model: F150
Potential Number of Units Affected: 1131000
Manufactured From: To:
Year of Recall: '93
Type of Report: Vehicle
Summary:
A MALFUNCTIONING CHECK VALVE WITHIN THE FUEL PUMP ASSEMBLY CAUSES A PORTION
OF THE UNUSED FUEL FROM ONE TANK TO BE RETURNED TO THE SECOND TANK. WHEN
THIS OCCURS, THE CAPACITY OF THE SECOND TANK CAN BE EXCEEDED, CAUSING FUEL
SPILLAGE.
SPILLED FUEL CAN RESULT IN A FIRE WHEN EXPOSED TO ASOURCE OF IGNITION.
REPLACEMENT OF THE FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR AND INSTALLATION OF REDUNDANT
CHECK VALVES.
SYSTEM: FUEL; FUEL TANK ASSEMBLY.
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: LIGHT TRUCKS AND CHASSIS CABS WITH GASOLINE ENGINES
ANDDUAL FUEL TANKS.
NOTE: IF YOUR VEHICLE IS PRESENTED TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED
SERVICEDATE AND THE REMEDY IS NOT CORRECTED WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME WITHOUT
CHARGEOR THE REMEDY DOES NOT CORRECT THE SAFETY-RELATED DEFECT OR
NONCOMPLIANCE,PLEASE CONTACT FORD'S CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE CENTER, 300
RENAISSANCE CENTER,P.O. BOX 43360, DETROIT, MI 48243. ALSO CONTACT THE
NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFICSAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT
1-800-424-9393.

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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:07:09 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 64 Ford truck

Here is a URL to an interesting site on Ford V8 engines:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://users.erols.com/wrljet/engines/
Jim

At 16:34 26/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>The Engine that has that exhaust crossover on top front is a "Y" block Ford
>V8...Seeing it is a 1964, it should be a 292 Y Block. 1964 was the last
>year for the Y block
>
>Good luck with it!
>
>Chris "Lube" Lublin
>lublin tir.com
>Lube's Auto
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:39:13 EST
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles

any one want to buy my xl f 150 x cab I6 5 speed 108000 miles?
i want to get a new 4x4
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 03:10:10 -0500
From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 64 Ford

> I just picked up a '64 pickup last night. All I know about
> it is the body is in need of some serious help, and it's a
> stepside. The motor is missing the water pump, etc. The ....


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