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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part
FTE 80-96 - 1964 Ford
FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.
FTE 80-96 - name these parts
Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles
Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 5Liter high Idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles
FTE 80-96 - Lost order
RE: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 question about flowmaster
Re: FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.
FTE 80-96 - Header on a 300 I-6
Re: FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.
FTE 80-96 - Needs ideas/advice- 88 F150 supercab
Re: FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!
FTE 80-96 - Ignition Module
Re: FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Needs ideas/advice- 88 F150 supercab
FTE 80-96 - RE: "Flying Saucer" pump on wheelwell.
Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 5Liter high Idle
FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:14:22 -0600
From: bennettr hiwaay.net
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com

>Standing at the front of the truck facing the engine compartment on the
left
>is the battery and behind that is a canister that contains a filter and is
>mounted (or was till the bracket rusted through) to the wheel well.

This is an intake filter for the air pump (smog pump).


>There is another bracket on the wheel well that has what appears to be a
thin fan.
>looks like a flying saucer standing on end)

This fan blows air across the injectors when they reach a certain
temperature. It is controlled by a thermostat clipped onto the fuel line
close to the front of the engine. The only time I have seen this fan come
on my 87 is during the summer and after running the truck for a while and
then cutting it off and the heat builds up around the top of the motor.
This fan will run with the key off.

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:21:08 -0600
From: "Moore, Jimmy" zymetx.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1964 Ford

Hey all.

I just picked up a '64 pickup last night. All I know about it is the body
is in need of some serious help, and it's a stepside. The motor is missing
the water pump, etc. The main question I have is what the motor is. It has
an exhaust pipe coming from one side of the motor, over the top front of the
motor, and on to the other side. I didn't even really notice what kind of
motor (i.e. six or eight cylinder). I got it for a steal, $105 (auction $75
plus $30 buyers fee). It has all the original metal emblems on the hood and
the side of the cab, I figure just those alone are worth the $100. I plan
to restore this baby. Anyone know anything about this motor? It's the
first one I've ever seen like it (I'm only 24 (:)

Jim Moore
1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
1964 Ford
Oklahoma City, OK
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:27:07 -0600
From: deis0 attglobal.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.

Al, a perfect example of "if you're gonna' work on your truck with a
factory shop manual, you should read the thing"...

There are two cannisters mounted on the passenger-side fender...

One cannister (about the size of a 2-pound coffee can), is the intake
air filter for the air pump. It should have a piece of ducting coming
in the side & running down the fender panel back toward the heater
blower, and a rubber hose coming out of the end going to the air pump.
It is mounted on its side.

The other cannister has 2 vacuum lines running into it...it's a
reservoir for the smog control system. It's mounted vertically, with
vacuum lines running into the top. If you ditch the next POS, it mounts
neatly on its side using factory holes in the fender wall.

Flying saucer gizmo is a cooling blower for the fuel injectors (!?)...my
mechanic mentions that Ford had some problems with rough idling, and
"fixed" it with the blower. You'll see a rubber hose coming off this
thing to a metal tubing duct assembly that's mounted to the lifting
bracket. The duct has individual outlets pointed at each injector. The
blower is controlled by a temperature switch that sits around injector
#2. Mechanic also notes that trucks seem to run OK without all this
cooling stuff...mine seems to, even in the middle of a Texas summer. If
anybody on the list has a good reason (other than state inspections) to
keep this thing, I'd be interested in knowing about it...does it really
help driveability/mileage/anything?

Charcoal cannister for EVAP control system is a square box that's
mounted below the battery on the passenger-side frame.

Air pump itself is too big to miss...directly under the alternator on
the front passenger side of the engine...serpentine belt turns it.

As far as factory manuals goes...Helm has been out of them forever, as
have two websites that do manuals only for older cars.

If anybody could lead me to a person/place that has one for an '88
F-150, I'd really appreciate it.

Great holidays to everybody.

steve in tx

> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:28:12 EST
> From: AWood70928 aol.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part
>
> I'm working on an 87 FS Bronco with 300 I6. This is my first time working on
> a truck (or car) to this magnitude. My Haynes Manual has left me stumped on
> this though.
>
> Standing at the front of the truck facing the engine compartment on the left
> is the battery and behind that is a canister that contains a filter and is
> mounted (or was till the bracket rusted through) to the wheel well. There is
> another bracket on the wheel well that has what appears to be a thin fan.
> (looks like a flying saucer standing on end) What exactly are these two
> items? I've looked the Haynes manual under Emissions Control and Heating and
> Cooling but can find no pictures that corollate to them. I'll need to
> replace the canister so if anyone can tell me what this thing is I would be
> grateful. Where I would look in the Haynes Manual would be a help too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Al

> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:07:38 -0600
> From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part
>
> At 21:28 21/12/99 EST, you wrote:
> >I'm working on an 87 FS Bronco with 300 I6. This is my first time working
> on
> >a truck (or car) to this magnitude. My Haynes Manual has left me stumped on
> >this though.
>
> A perfect example of why, if you are going to do serious work on your
> truck, you should get a factory shop manual.
>
> The canister is probably the activated charcoal vapor absorption canister;
> fuel vapors go into it when truck is not running, get purged out when truck
> is running above idle RPM. You can lose it, if you want, and not replace it
> unless your state does emissions testing.
>
> The flying saucer thing is an air pump to put extra oxygen into the exhaust
> stream to help get more complete combustion of carbon monoxide and any
> residual unburned hydrocarbons in the catalytic converter.
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
> '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:25:58 -0600
From: "PHILLIP P. GUIDRY" acadian.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - name these parts

>From: AWood70928 aol.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part
>From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part

Hey Guys, the two parts are as follows; the round canister that looks
like a tall tin can is in fact the vacuum reservoir for the HVAC (A/C &
heat)system vent motors; the thin fan is an engine compartment fan,only
found on the L6 engines,to blow air along the injectors when ever the
compartment reaches a certain temperature to keep the injectors from
getting heat soaked,mostly after engine shut down.You will see the
canister on the vacuum diagram and there should be a warning sticker on
the radiator support for the compartment fan.
Phillip
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:09:58 -0600
From: "DannyF" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles

>
> Fordtrucks 15 wrote:
> >
> > I've heard that after 23 years, the Ford F-150 isn't going to be the
> > best-selling vehicle in America, they said the Silverado has got 'em beat. I
> > think it's b.s., because of the Chevy's new design, and poor sales record
> > this year, but, I was wondering if anyone else knows anything about it. Even
> > if it is true, Ford doesn't have much to be ashamed of, 23 years is a long
> > time, and I saw on CNN that Ford has the most loyal owners of any car
> > company. I know they'll see me in the dealership again! Thanks guys. Jeff.
>
>
> Ford had 900,000 F series sales vs Chevy's 500,000. Even including the
> entire GMC brand, it was close. I'm pretty sure the numbers have always
> been ford against ch*bbie, not ford against GM.
>

Just a personal observation but I notice amongst individuals its a
toss up. However, where Ford kicks GM is *fleet* trucks. White
F_50's dominate the fleet sales.

I'm sure the PowerStroke contributed also in the last what? 5
years? Dodge and GM have nothing to compare in light diesel
segment.

White fleet cars/trucks are probably a major reason why the
biggest selling color is white(has been for a long time).
Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:09:58 -0600
From: "DannyF" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 5Liter high Idle

> My truck has recently started idling High will not come down to the 750
> it
> is supposed to
> I have checked throttle position sensor and Idle Control Motor, Egr And
> sensor have been replaced
>
>
> it comes up with codes
>
> 12, 44, 13
>
> I am At a loss as to what would cause this
> started about 2 weeks ago

Codes 12, 13 sure point to ISC(Idle Speed Control) motor,
solenoid, actuator or whatever word people like to use.

You checked it but how? Cleaning is the 1st step. I had to use
diluted muriatic acid to get mine clean. Turned the exterior alum
black but who cares? Just don't leave it too long(the acid will attack
the alum/pot metal) . Take off the motor first.

Code 44 just means the air pump is inoperative. Not an idle issue
IMO.

Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:09:58 -0600
From: "DannyF" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!

>
> At 19:26 21/12/99 -0800, Bill (in Portland) wrote:
> >BTW, I just ran my 82 F100 300I6 through the DEQ dyno and the emission
> >readings were well below standard. Don't let anyone tell you that you
> >can't set a mixture by the old lean-drop method!
>
> Bill-
> Where did you get your specs for your lean drop method of setting idle
> mixture on your engine? I have looked all over for them for my 1980 I-6
> and
> have come up dry. The shop manual gives great directions on how to do
> it,
> but not the RPM drop you are aiming for.

As an alternative(and assuming you don't own an infrared exh.
analyzer) the vac. guage is more accurate. Just adjust to max vac
at idle.

I often adjust for summer and readjust for winter.
Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:11:22 -0800 (PST)
From: dennis ward yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles

As far as no diesel competition, just wait for the
2001 model year. I worked for gm powertrain over the
summer and if you haven't heard there is a new duramax
diesel in the works. The big one is 6.6L and I saw one
dyno at 300hp with only slight differences from what
will be in the production model(exhaust size mabey
something else i forget). But fords are still better.

- --Dennis


>
> Just a personal observation but I notice amongst
> individuals its a toss up. However, where Ford kicks
> GM is *fleet* trucks. White F_50's dominate the
>fleet sales.
>
> I'm sure the PowerStroke contributed also in the
> last what? 5 years? Dodge and GM have nothing to
>compare in light diesel segment.
>
> White fleet cars/trucks are probably a major reason
> why the biggest selling color is white(has been for
>a long time).

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:15:20 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Lost order

Elias !!!

All dealers can sit down at their computer and give you a status on your
order within a reasonable time after the order is placed. Do you have an
Order #??? That is the way it is traced through the system. No order #,
then you probably don't have a truck on order!!!..

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:18:29 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 question about flowmaster

At 21:26 02/12/99 PST, you wrote:
>>Does anyone know if there is any special manifold for a1994 6cil, 300ci
>
>Okay, folks,
>
>Back in the olden days there was a company called Clifford Research, or
>maybe Clifford Engineering, that specialized in I-6 performance parts. Are
>these folks still araound? A bud had a 48 Ford coupe with a built 300 in it,
>and it ran pretty good.

Yes. Check out:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cliffordperformance.com/


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:42:12 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.

At 07:27 22/12/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Al, a perfect example of "if you're gonna' work on your truck with a
>factory shop manual, you should read the thing"...

I agree.

>As far as factory manuals goes...Helm has been out of them forever, as
>have two websites that do manuals only for older cars.
>
>If anybody could lead me to a person/place that has one for an '88
>F-150, I'd really appreciate it.

I got mine from:

Bob Johnson's Auto Literature
92 Blandin Ave, Framingham, MA 01702
508-872-9173, Fax: 508-626-0991
E-mail: bjohnson autopaper.com
www.autopaper.com

You can find hundreds of literature dealers in the classified ads of
Hemmings Motor News online

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hemmings.com/

Also find all kinds of parts and vehicles for sale, if you need them.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:49:07 EST
From: AWood70928 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.

In a message dated 12/22/99 8:32:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
deis0 attglobal.net writes:

<< Al, a perfect example of "if you're gonna' work on your truck with a
factory shop manual, you should read the thing"... >>

Well, I agree with that....hoiwever, all I have is a Haynes and a Chiltons
manual. I read both of them. Looked specifically in the Emissions Control
section (chapter 6) and the Cooling Heating and Air Conditioning sections
(chapter 3). Neither of these two sections mentioned the parts I was asking
about. If they had I would not have asked. Ford told me today that they
could not get me a Factory Manual. I did not look at the Fuel system chapter
as I did not associate the canister and air pump with the fuel system.

I appreciate the answers I received. This is my first foray into anything
like this so I am learning as I go. Maybe I'm out of my league here, but
everyone has to start somewhere. Thanks again to all who replied, and I
assure you I won't ask if I can find the answer on my own.

Al Woodard
Manchester, NH
My hands are full of thorns but I can't quit groping for the rose
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:34:05 EST
From: MRStace84aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Header on a 300 I-6

Hello List,

My 84 F150 is in need of an exhaust manifold, and I don't want the pay to the
almost $400 that local dealers want for one, and they seem to be a rare
commodity around salvage yards, so I'm thinking about getting a header for
it. Have any of you ever put a header on a 300? First does the header split
cylinders so that you have to install dual exhasust, or do all 6 pipes come
into One, so that single exhaust will work. Also, do you have to replace
the intake maniflod also, or can you re-use the stock one, and does not have
heat going into the intake like the stock manifold system did, cause any
problems? Also, are there any companies other than Clifford Performance that
sell 300 Headers, and does anyone know roughly what one will cost? Sorry for
the bunch of questions, but thanks in advance for your help.

Thanks
Stacy
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:45:43 -0500
From: Emil Puhak worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.

Al,

Ask away. There's always someone willing to answer your questions. The
flamers need only to be left alone. They asked questions once. Now they
just know it all. If we didn't ask questions here that we could find
answers for elsewhere if we looked, this would be a lackluster site.
Merry Christmas!!

AWood70928aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/22/99 8:32:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> deis0attglobal.net writes:
>
> << Al, a perfect example of "if you're gonna' work on your truck with a
> factory shop manual, you should read the thing"... >>
>
> Well, I agree with that....hoiwever, all I have is a Haynes and a Chiltons
> manual. I read both of them. Looked specifically in the Emissions Control
> section (chapter 6) and the Cooling Heating and Air Conditioning sections
> (chapter 3). Neither of these two sections mentioned the parts I was asking
> about. If they had I would not have asked. Ford told me today that they
> could not get me a Factory Manual. I did not look at the Fuel system chapter
> as I did not associate the canister and air pump with the fuel system.
>
> I appreciate the answers I received. This is my first foray into anything
> like this so I am learning as I go. Maybe I'm out of my league here, but
> everyone has to start somewhere. Thanks again to all who replied, and I
> assure you I won't ask if I can find the answer on my own.
>
> Al Woodard
> Manchester, NH
> My hands are full of thorns but I can't quit groping for the rose
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:05:56 EST
From: MykeSSaol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Needs ideas/advice- 88 F150 supercab

Hi folks:

I was taking a look at an 88 F150 Lariat XLT supercab with 5.0 V8, AT and
130K miles at a dealer. Unfortunately couldn't test drive it b/c it would
cut out when any accessories were used; dealer says it has a bad alternator.
Dealer had an auto shop look at it earlier and they estimate need $800 in
repairs- brakes, alt., some other things. Dealer selling as is saying he has
2300 in it and that's what he'll sell it for. Being absolutely new to pick
up trucks I'd like any sage advice you can throw my way. What should I be on
the look out for? What are warning signs that a truck is ragged out, etc? I
will be using the truck for hauling mulch and other stuff for our new house.
Will use when want to take the dogs out, etc. Not a daily driver. Thanx
much.

Mike Schell-Smith
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:22:21 -0800
From: "William G. Berninghausen" netscape.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!

>
>Bill-
>Where did you get your specs for your lean drop method of setting idle
>mixture on your engine? I have looked all over for them for my 1980 I-6 and
>have come up dry. The shop manual gives great directions on how to do it,
>but not the RPM drop you are aiming for.
>
>
>
>
>Jim Cannon
>Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
>'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
>'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Jim--it's just the old shadetree VW tuning routine. Set the timing and
curb idle as best you can. Shut it off. Close the mixture screw gently,
then open it three turns--probably way too rich. Hook up your tach and
start the engine. Close the mixture screw slowly, until you see a sharp
drop, usually about 100rpm. You can go back and forth across this step to
locate it. Finish about a quarter turn richer than the drop point. Again,
set it rich, lean it until the rpm drops, back up a quarter. It's easier
to do than to describe.

Another response says to adjust the mixture to produce max vacuum. I might
be there, with 22 inches at idle and a pegged vacuum meter while coasting
down hills.

Not computer fancy, but it works--the DEQ dyno just passed it with
emissions well below the max.

Bill in Portland
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:13:11 -0500
From: "Mark Salvetti" mediaone.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ignition Module

Hi everyone. The last couple of days I had a couple of weird no-start
episodes. Plenty of cranking and fuel, but no spark. Each time I checked
to make sure my electrical connectors around the distributor were tight, and
then it started right up. So I thought "loose connection" that I'd have to
check out, but in the back of my mind I was also worried about the ignition
module. It hadn't yet died on me while running, just the two no-starts.

I guess I pushed my luck too far, because today the truck absolutely
wouldn't start when I was about 50 miles from home. Got a tow to a local
place, and $150 later I had a new module and I was on my way. You could see
where the old one blew right through the gell-like stuff that covers the
circuit board. Anyway, the shop also told me I should plan to replace the
"pickup" in the distributor, as that often contributes to fried modules.
They said I'd have to remove the distributor shaft.

I can remove and disassemble the distributor OK (I think), but when I got
home I checked my Haynes and I can't figure out what the shop was talking
about. Is it the stator assembly? And do I really need to replace it?

Thanks everyone, and Merry Christmas.

Mark Salvetti
1986 F150 5.0L (EFI)

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:45:13 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Name this part--long.

I for one will say you are in league of our own! Don't be overly concerned about
asking for help and hearing what some folks say. If you get the right answer (and
I'm sure you will), then to heck with the social bantering.

Welcome, I've got the same manuals as you, an '86 Bronco, and the never ending
desire to fix it. Fixing the lack of power that 36" tires cause is next on the
list.

Bob


AWood70928aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/22/99 8:32:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> deis0attglobal.net writes:
>
> << Al, a perfect example of "if you're gonna' work on your truck with a
> factory shop manual, you should read the thing"... >>
>
> Well, I agree with that....hoiwever, all I have is a Haynes and a Chiltons
> manual. I read both of them. Looked specifically in the Emissions Control
> section (chapter 6) and the Cooling Heating and Air Conditioning sections
> (chapter 3). Neither of these two sections mentioned the parts I was asking
> about. If they had I would not have asked. Ford told me today that they
> could not get me a Factory Manual. I did not look at the Fuel system chapter
> as I did not associate the canister and air pump with the fuel system.
>
> I appreciate the answers I received. This is my first foray into anything
> like this so I am learning as I go. Maybe I'm out of my league here, but
> everyone has to start somewhere. Thanks again to all who replied, and I
> assure you I won't ask if I can find the answer on my own.
>
> Al Woodard
> Manchester, NH
> My hands are full of thorns but I can't quit groping for the rose
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:52:23 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Needs ideas/advice- 88 F150 supercab

This is where your negotiating skills come in to play. It doesn't matter what he
tells you he has in it. He said $2300, I'd do a very meticulous check out, write
down everything I found wrong and what it would take to fix it. Tell the dealer,
this is my cost to fix it, either pay it, or take it off the price, or fix it
yourself.

Be ready to argue, ahem...I mean negotiate.

Bob


MykeSSaol.com wrote:

> Hi folks:
>
> I was taking a look at an 88 F150 Lariat XLT supercab with 5.0 V8, AT and
> 130K miles at a dealer. Unfortunately couldn't test drive it b/c it would
> cut out when any accessories were used; dealer says it has a bad alternator.
> Dealer had an auto shop look at it earlier and they estimate need $800 in
> repairs- brakes, alt., some other things. Dealer selling as is saying he has
> 2300 in it and that's what he'll sell it for. Being absolutely new to pick
> up trucks I'd like any sage advice you can throw my way. What should I be on
> the look out for? What are warning signs that a truck is ragged out, etc? I
> will be using the truck for hauling mulch and other stuff for our new house.
> Will use when want to take the dogs out, etc. Not a daily driver. Thanx
> much.
>
> Mike Schell-Smith
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:51:03 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier" gte.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: "Flying Saucer" pump on wheelwell.

Jim Cannon wrote:

The flying saucer thing is an air pump to put extra oxygen into the exhaust
stream to help get more complete combustion of carbon monoxide and any
residual unburned hydrocarbons in the catalytic converter.


Jim Cannon

My Dads '91 has one, and the putput hose goes to nothing (I think a tube or
two are missing) the truck doesn't seem to care about it.

The thing does get slightly less than my approx. 13 mpg. but it is a 5.8,
compared to my 5.0.

Your mileage may vary!!!

Dave H.
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:06:06 EST
From: ACMERCGaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 5Liter high Idle

In a message dated 12/22/1999 11:16:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
danf01worldnet.att.net writes:

<<
Codes 12, 13 sure point to ISC(Idle Speed Control) motor,
solenoid, actuator or whatever word people like to use.

You checked it but how? Cleaning is the 1st step. I had to use
diluted muriatic acid to get mine clean. Turned the exterior alum
black but who cares? Just don't leave it too long(the acid will attack
the alum/pot metal) . Take off the motor first.

Code 44 just means the air pump is inoperative. Not an idle issue
IMO.
>>
a simple vacumn leak will cause the same problems. Check the lines going
into the upper intake. They're prone to dryrot & cracking. later

joe
lost in jersey
92 f150
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:50:04 -0500
From: Jim B utec.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco

Thanks TO All Who Responded this Problem Has Been Solved

it turned out to be the Fuel Filter

I just acquired this truck recently it had the original Ford Motor Co
filter in it

93,000 miles on it

thanks Again
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:12:13 -0600
From: "Dennis Thompson" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim B" utec.net>
To: <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 10:50 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco


> Thanks TO All Who Responded this Problem Has Been Solved
>
> it turned out to be the Fuel Filter
>
> I just acquired this truck recently it had the original Ford Motor Co
> filter in it
>
> 93,000 miles on it

Man! 93k?
I change mine every time I suspect any running problem.
( many on a $600 '84 Bronco II )
They're cheap and often the cause.

SPECTRE

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