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80-96-list-digest Wednesday, December 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 361



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980-1996 Trucks and Vans
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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Read the FAQ
FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard Clutch
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96- Need help
FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles
Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 ways my truck has changed my life
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 5 ways my truck has changed my life....
FTE 80-96 - Grocery-getting-truck commercial
FTE 80-96 - Offroad Clubs
Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles
FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!
Re: FTE 80-96 - need help
Re: FTE 80-96 - need help
FTE 80-96 - Air Pump
FTE 80-96 - 92 5Liter high Idle
FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part
Re: FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!
FTE 80-96 - fuel injection foulup
Re: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part
Re: FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96- Need help

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:34:06 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Read the FAQ

I'd like to remind those who have not read the web site
FAQ (as asked in the introduction email) to do so:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

Remember, this is a Ford trucks list. There are plenty
of resources on the net for other vehicles.

Merry Christmas! :-)
Ken Payne
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:32:36 -0800
From: "Dennis" valint.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco

I drive an 89' F250, had a similar problem and chased my tail all over the
engine compartment. I had also replaced the cap and rotor and thought I was
safe with the new parts, but when all else failed I thoroughly cleaned my
old cap and rotor and replaced them on the truck.....the hesitation
disappeared instantly, I'll never forget this little lesson, my father a 60
year old Ford lover has always said IGNITION, IGNITION, IGNITION!!!!! Did
the problem start before the tune-up or after?

- ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:45:09 -0800
> From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco hesitates
>
> Wouldn't blame the computer. Check the Throttle Position Sensor, then
maybe
> fuel line pressure.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Jim B wrote:
>
> > I have a 86 Ford Bronco with a 302 EFI
> > at idle or easy pressure on the throttle it is fine but if i jump on it
> > hesitates and bucks real bad this just started
> >
> > I have all new cap rotor wires and plugs
> >
> > Could this be a computer problem?
> >
> > Jim Beck


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:57:36 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed" ican.net>
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco

I had the exact same problem. It turned out to be a REALLY badly clogged
fuel filter. When's the last time you changed yours?

If it is the f. filter, it can't be good for the pump!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Dennis
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 12:33 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: hesitating Bronco
>
>
> I drive an 89' F250, had a similar problem and chased my tail all over the
> engine compartment. I had also replaced the cap and rotor and
> thought I was
> safe with the new parts, but when all else failed I thoroughly cleaned my
> old cap and rotor and replaced them on the truck.....the hesitation
> disappeared instantly, I'll never forget this little lesson, my
> father a 60
> year old Ford lover has always said IGNITION, IGNITION, IGNITION!!!!! Did
> the problem start before the tune-up or after?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:45:09 -0800
> > From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
> > Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco hesitates
> >
> > Wouldn't blame the computer. Check the Throttle Position Sensor, then
> maybe
> > fuel line pressure.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > Jim B wrote:
> >
> > > I have a 86 Ford Bronco with a 302 EFI
> > > at idle or easy pressure on the throttle it is fine but if I
> jump on it
> > > hesitates and bucks real bad this just started
> > >
> > > I have all new cap rotor wires and plugs
> > >
> > > Could this be a computer problem?
> > >
> > > Jim Beck
>
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:16:26 -0700
From: "Jim" onyx.digisys.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard Clutch

Date sent: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:56:14 -0600
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard Clutch
Send reply to: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com

> At 07:33 20/12/99 -0700, Jim Flinchbaugh wrote:
>
> > When you had the clutchout did you check the front
> >bearing retainer on the trans? This is the part that the
> >relaease bearing rides on. If you have to apply a lot of
> >pressure to get the clutch started moving, and then it
> >seems ok you probably have the front bearing retainer
> >wore out. they develope an small "shoulder" on them as
> >the years go by, and when you apply the pedal you have
> >to make enough pressure to get the release bearing to
> >jjump over the shoulder. then all is well. This is
> >something that gets overlooked alot even by so called
> >professional shops, and IMHO ,it is simply because
> >nobody stocks this part as a rule so usualy has to be
> >ordered in delaying the project.
>
>
>
> >Jim Flinchbaugh NW Montana
> >1987 F150 5.0 EFI 4 speed 4X4 ext cab
> > New engine as of last week!! yippie!
>
> I agree with Jim. I assumed you put in new throwout bearing (you did,
> right?) so that only leaves this bearing retainer.
>
> Jim, whereabouts in NW Montana are ya'? I have visited friends in Eureka
> several times over the years and my neighbors flew to Columbia Falls
> yesterday. Small world.
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
> '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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JIm Cannon, This Jim lives in Kalispell fro 16 years now( I
think that makes me a transplanted native?) yep small
world and getting smaller all the time
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:20 EST
From: Kbeverwein aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96- Need help

There is plenty here in San Diego CA. I guess depending
on the options you want. It took my friend about a month to get his 2000 F550, crewcab, 4wd. And it isnt the color he wanted. He paid little over $51,000.00 for
it. I have a 99 F250 crewcab with the Power Stroke. I love it.

Brian
1999 F250/CC/PwrStroke
1998 contour
1983 E150 made into Pickup
1986 F250
1967 Econoline
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:20:14 EST
From: "Fordtrucks 15" hotmail.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles

I've heard that after 23 years, the Ford F-150 isn't going to be the
best-selling vehicle in America, they said the Silverado has got 'em beat. I
think it's b.s., because of the Chevy's new design, and poor sales record
this year, but, I was wondering if anyone else knows anything about it. Even
if it is true, Ford doesn't have much to be ashamed of, 23 years is a long
time, and I saw on CNN that Ford has the most loyal owners of any car
company. I know they'll see me in the dealership again! Thanks guys. Jeff.
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:38:58 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles

Fordtrucks 15 wrote:
>
> I've heard that after 23 years, the Ford F-150 isn't going to be the
> best-selling vehicle in America, they said the Silverado has got 'em beat. I
> think it's b.s., because of the Chevy's new design, and poor sales record
> this year, but, I was wondering if anyone else knows anything about it. Even
> if it is true, Ford doesn't have much to be ashamed of, 23 years is a long
> time, and I saw on CNN that Ford has the most loyal owners of any car
> company. I know they'll see me in the dealership again! Thanks guys. Jeff.


Ford had 900,000 F series sales vs Chevy's 500,000. Even including the
entire GMC brand, it was close. I'm pretty sure the numbers have always
been ford against ch*bbie, not ford against GM.

OX
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:37:23 -0500
From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 ways my truck has changed my life

On 16 Dec 99, at 12:11, Paul M Radecki wrote:

>8. You can drive to places like gun shows, lumber yards, and very small
>towns without feeling like "yew ain't from 'round heer...".

Ain't that the truth. I had taken a trip to Orlando a few weeks ago.
After driving down there in a friend's Neon, I realized that everyone
was just cutting us off like crazy, wouldn't open up a space so we
could change lanes, etc. When we taken the trip again in my
pickup, I noticed there were a lot more friendly people down there
than I had realized from before. :)

>9. You become very easy to buy X-mas presents for. (Oooo... "Yosemite
>Sam" mudflaps! Thanks, Grandma...)

You got that right. Just need the set of super swampers and the
truck is complete. :)

You might be a redneck if... You inherited a Styrofoam cooler.
- Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:37:23 -0500
From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 5 ways my truck has changed my life....

On 15 Dec 99, at 15:35, The Lublin Family wrote:

>>3. Devloping any or all of the following urges;
>>A desire to listen to country music, the desire to buy a shotgun and shoot
>>something for dinner, being happy to park in the middle of a muddy field at
>>the flea market/concert/football game etc...
>
>I listened to country and had shot guns long before I was old enuff to get
>my first truck:)

Same here. :)

>>4. You begin to really want to kill the person who designed the parking lot
>>at the mall (4X4 and long wheelbase owners)
>
>Naw..Thats what double parking is for!

Also, another trick. If you have just painted your pickup, find a
strip of spots toward the end of the parking lot and parallel park.
Make sure that you take up as many spots as you can. I have
done this on a few occasions when my F-150 was just too wide to
fit into the parking spots with the sport utilities hogging the lines.

>>5. On weekend shopping trips you stop asking your wife/significant other
>>"how the H*ll are we gonna get that home!"
>
>Yea..and when you bring something home in it, they get all over YOU for it!

Ain't that the truth.

You might be a redneck if... Your girlfriend asks you to get a six
pack and you say 'why not twelve?' - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:40:26 -0700
From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Grocery-getting-truck commercial

Back in town from playing around Santa Fe, and now playing ketchup with all
work related responsibilities and emails.

Les replied to Blake;

...I don't really know the temperature the exhaust manifolds run at
in the '70's, but I sure as hell know, in the late 90's it's hotter. Phred
may be able to get this info
from his 'toy room' or Ken may be able to 'cast' some light on this.

Okay Les, drag me into this one too. We have a V-6 and a straight 4
cylinder on two of our engine dynos both are using propane (Hey Les, I said
it, 'propane', ...Hi, my name is Phred and I burn propane in my Ford...Hi
Phred!...) and typically under max load at 3000 RPM our pre-catalyst
temperature is reaching 1400 degrees F. So if 3 feet away the thermocouple
is registering 1400 degrees F, I can only imagine how hot the exhaust
manifold must be. These engines have also been operated using standard
gasoline and these temperatures were marginally cooler, say by about 100
degrees F. Big deal, its still hot!.
NOTA BENE:
1 - The Catalyst is installed roughly 3 feet (about 1 meter) from the
exhaust manifold on both engines. You don't need to turn off the lights in
the dyno cell to notice the warm glow and pretty the shade of red the cat
has gotten. Just touching a piece of paper to the cat cause's it to light up
and burn (off-roading folks pay special attention to that last statement).
2 - The ignition timing is non-existent. Base timing for the V-6 is 20
degrees and at 3000 RPM the timing is about 23 degrees. These engines have
no timing advance function because they are factory forklift engines. We'll
be playing with a Ford forklift engine in a few months, I won't mention the
brand we are playing with now for fear of offending the list.
3 - And because these are forklift applications, an EGR is nowhere to be
found and we all know that this help reduce the peak combustion temperature.
4 - Most over-the-road applications have standards such that catalyst
temperatures are only allowed slightly above 1000 degrees C, this is
according to the Bosch Automotive Handbook.

Conclusion is that even under normal load, your truck engine equipped with
an EGR, catalyst, and a normal timing advance function is still going to
generate extremely high temps right on the exhaust manifold that will most
likely be near 1000 degrees F.
I am not a materials expert by no means but a little splash of water from
puddle could go a long way with the thermodynamics and stresses involved and
certainly contribute to the cracking of an exhaust manifold. My two pesos
and not much to contribute, I know.

I read through the topics regarding the commercials and thought I would
point something out to the members on the list and I am curious for some
feedback on this one:
Here in the Las Cruces/El Paso area, the local TV channels are running a
commercial for the new 2000 Silverado P/U where these two clowns are loading
up such a truck with what appears to be a set of post-hole diggers (all too
familiar with their operation) and a few sticks that must be part of some
fencing project. Then these two yahoos drive across a field and damn if that
bed doesn't look like its got the post hole diggers (Ph.D.) and an arm full
of 'sticks', no more no less! The point of the commercial and the two yahoos
is how much of a load the truck can carry (I quote the yahoos '...they act
like they never seen a truck before...').
My point is when I haul with my little 302 F-150, the truck is not
considered full if I can still see out the back window. Okay I keep an eye
on the springs too, but an arm full of sticks and a set Ph.D.'s is not going
to do any damage, especially with a sprayed on bed liner.
Come on
Ford-truck-marketing-people-that-must-be-monitoring-this-list-if-you-have-ha
lf -an-interest, WAKE UP here's an easy one for you guys. Should we suggest
a commercial for you? How about really loading the Silverado and putting a
second arm full of sticks in and have a Ford towing it across the field to
help it out, yeah, I can hear the jingle now, '...Like a rock...'.
Man that felt good to get it off my chest. I laugh every time that
commercial comes on for that grocery-getting-excuse-of-a-truck commercial.
If I did own one, I would be embarrassed and would want my money back to by
a Ford.

Happy Holidays, Joyeux Noel, Felize Navidad, Bueno Natale Tutti,

Phred KD5AQB
'95 F-150 302 with +165K miles
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:04:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Roger Lane excite.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Offroad Clubs

I'm looking for an offroad club in the Sioux City, IA area. I've done some
limited searches on the net, but can't seem to come up with any. I really
would like to do some offroading, but I don't have any experience at it, and
was hoping to find a club with some experienced members to guide me. If
anyone knows of a club in my area, could you please pass on any info you
have? If I can't find an offroad club in my area, I'm contemplating
starting my own. If anyone has any info on starting an offroad club, could
you pass that along also?
I'm posting this to the Offroad List and the 80-96 list as well to try and
cover more territory with my questions.
If there is anyone in the Sioux City area interested in a club, you can
email me offlist.
TIA
Roger

"Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your
regular duties."





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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:06:36 -0500
From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Selling Vehicles

On 21 Dec 99, at 15:20, Fordtrucks 15 wrote:

> I've heard that after 23 years, the Ford F-150 isn't going to be the
>best-selling vehicle in America, they said the Silverado has got 'em beat. I
>think it's b.s., because of the Chevy's new design, and poor sales record
>this year, but, I was wondering if anyone else knows anything about it. Even
>if it is true, Ford doesn't have much to be ashamed of, 23 years is a long
>time, and I saw on CNN that Ford has the most loyal owners of any car
>company. I know they'll see me in the dealership again! Thanks guys. Jeff.

Hmmmmmm. The Silverado has the 150 beat? I don't think so. I
see many more F-150's driving around than the new Silverado.

You might be a redneck if... The beer truck delivers door-to-door
in your neighborhood. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:54:44 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier" gte.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!

My '92, and Dads '91 are just fine and dandy.

Dad is getting a 'puter in the next day or two (supposed to be a P-3
something or other that a lawyer no longer needs - Makes me jealous!)
Does anyone use a "free" server such as www.freei.net? The less money we
spend is better!!!
I am pretty happy with my isp (PDQ.net) but heck it costs 19.95/month...
must be a cheaper way!

Oh, and that darn Toyota of my sisters has started ever since my post about
it...when it dies it'll be as far from here as it can get! Fortunately, we
are good friends with a rollback driver!!!!!

Dave H.
Houston, TX
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:11:20 EST
From: Menagias aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - need help

Dear truckers
In early Sept. I ordered a F250 sd sc 4x4 XLT diesel off road
short bed etc. So far no truck nor any idea as to when I can
expect it . The order # from the factory is 0214X21. It is being
built in Kentucky. The dealer claims he cannot get any information.
Thats why I am asking for help from you all...Thanks
Elias





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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:54:12 -0800
From: johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - need help

If you haven't already, try www.ford -diesel. com.
Nathan would also be a good source of info, but I haven't seen him
repond much lately on the FTE 97-up list.

In general, this dealer seems to be jerking your chain. They should be
able to find out why the order is being held up.

If you have the option to go to another dealer, have them look up the order
number, and see what it says. Then see if you can get your order canceled,
and go somewhere else.

Things that could cause ordering problems (that the dealer should know):
- - your dealer doesn't do trucks much, and is getting low/no allocation of
trucks.
- - did you order some special item, that's holding up production?
- - did the dealer sell your truck?

- - don't know is an absolutely unacceptable answer....

Hope that helps,

- -john

Menagias aol.com wrote:

> Dear truckers
> In early Sept. I ordered a F250 sd sc 4x4 XLT diesel off road
> short bed etc. So far no truck nor any idea as to when I can
> expect it . The order # from the factory is 0214X21. It is being
> built in Kentucky. The dealer claims he cannot get any information.
> Thats why I am asking for help from you all...Thanks
> Elias
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:51:12 -0800 (PST)
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Air Pump

- ----------------------------------------------------------------
I'm surprised it's not driving your computer a little wacko.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Will it (or should it)? I was going to remove my air pump on my 89 F-150 302
pretty soon. take off both cats too and then run a straight pipe from the
manifold out to the tailpipe. Lots of little lines and what not running from
the pump. All these are able to come off? I seem to remember someone posting
he did this and he felt a power increase. no inspections or nothing in my
state so i won't have to worry about that. just lookin for a few more horses
to play with. Running it straight w/no muffler or cats will make it LOUD i'd
guess so i'm waiting to do this till after my 60 days of "probation" is up.
can't get no excessive noise or any ticket of any type or i'll get screwed.
A little incident happened to me and my friends but i'll leave it at that as
it will probly start a bunch of opinionated(sp) flaming.
DK





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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:04:34 -0500
From: Jim B utec.net>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 92 5Liter high Idle

My truck has recently started idling High will not come down to the 750 it
is supposed to
I have checked throttle position sensor and Idle Control Motor, Egr And
sensor have been replaced


it comes up with codes

12, 44, 13

I am At a loss as to what would cause this
started about 2 weeks ago

Thanks Jim B


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:28:12 EST
From: AWood70928 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part

I'm working on an 87 FS Bronco with 300 I6. This is my first time working on
a truck (or car) to this magnitude. My Haynes Manual has left me stumped on
this though.

Standing at the front of the truck facing the engine compartment on the left
is the battery and behind that is a canister that contains a filter and is
mounted (or was till the bracket rusted through) to the wheel well. There is
another bracket on the wheel well that has what appears to be a thin fan.
(looks like a flying saucer standing on end) What exactly are these two
items? I've looked the Haynes manual under Emissions Control and Heating and
Cooling but can find no pictures that corollate to them. I'll need to
replace the canister so if anyone can tell me what this thing is I would be
grateful. Where I would look in the Haynes Manual would be a help too.

Thanks,

Al
We may be lost but we're making good time.

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:26:49 -0800
From: "William G. Berninghausen" netscape.net>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!

>Does anyone use a "free" server such as www.freei.net? The less money we
>spend is better!!!
>I am pretty happy with my isp (PDQ.net) but heck it costs 19.95/month...
>must be a cheaper way!
>
I'm logged on to freei.net right now--it works fine. So do netzero,
altavista, and the new bluelight service from yahoo and kmart, so do a
search on 'free isp' and you'll see all the above and more. Darn right,
$20 a month is too much, at least until we get cable modems here!

BTW, I just ran my 82 F100 300I6 through the DEQ dyno and the emission
readings were well below standard. Don't let anyone tell you that you
can't set a mixture by the old lean-drop method!

Bill in Portland
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:04:07 EST
From: Robo917 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - fuel injection foulup

hey guys im new to the list and i think its great that theres a bunch of
smart guys out there that love their ford trucks as much as i love mine. i
have a 90 f-250 xlt lariat supercab superduty 4x4 with a 351w and 5speed
w/overdrive and what a truck! i can relate to the leaky gas tank im changing
my front one now.any info on my fuel injection system?im having trouble with
my mileage.i was getting 12 to the gal. but now im getting 7.i opened up the
throttle body and what a mess. im thinking about taking the intake off and
having it hot tanked, but i would sure like to hear a easier way.
thanks........stuck at the pumps!
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:07:38 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part

At 21:28 21/12/99 EST, you wrote:
>I'm working on an 87 FS Bronco with 300 I6. This is my first time working
on
>a truck (or car) to this magnitude. My Haynes Manual has left me stumped on
>this though.

A perfect example of why, if you are going to do serious work on your
truck, you should get a factory shop manual.

The canister is probably the activated charcoal vapor absorption canister;
fuel vapors go into it when truck is not running, get purged out when truck
is running above idle RPM. You can lose it, if you want, and not replace it
unless your state does emissions testing.

The flying saucer thing is an air pump to put extra oxygen into the exhaust
stream to help get more complete combustion of carbon monoxide and any
residual unburned hydrocarbons in the catalytic converter.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:12:56 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ISP question for all. The trucks are fine now!

At 19:26 21/12/99 -0800, Bill (in Portland) wrote:
>BTW, I just ran my 82 F100 300I6 through the DEQ dyno and the emission
>readings were well below standard. Don't let anyone tell you that you
>can't set a mixture by the old lean-drop method!

Bill-
Where did you get your specs for your lean drop method of setting idle
mixture on your engine? I have looked all over for them for my 1980 I-6 and
have come up dry. The shop manual gives great directions on how to do it,
but not the RPM drop you are aiming for.




Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:53:30 EST
From: AWood70928 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help Name That Part

In a message dated 12/21/99 11:21:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jcannon.ne79 gtalumni.org writes:

<< A perfect example of why, if you are going to do serious work on your
truck, you should get a factory shop manual.>>

Thank you Jim,

I'll do just that. I have the Haynes and the Chiltons but never considered a
factory manual.

<< The canister is probably the activated charcoal vapor absorption
canister;>>

It's not that, I found that one in the Haynes book. I'm just going to take
it with me when I go to the Ford dealership tomorrow. I figure I need a new
one anyway and they should know what it is. Plus I can ask about the Factory
Manual.

<>

Thanks again. I just can't find anything about this in Haynes or Chiltons.
Kind of makes me wonder. The back of the Haynes says "Every manual based on
a complete teardown and rebuild." Guess I'm not the only one who has left
over parts when doing things like this.

Al
I've tried relaxing ... but I just can't stand the stress

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:45:58 -0600
From: Mark E Reimers juno.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96- Need help

Elias, Your dealer should know exactly where your truck is. When my dad
bought his new '99 f-150 whenever he called the dealer, they always
called back leting him know exactly where his truck was. Did you try
talking to a manager or someone that is fairly high up on the ladder? I
just find it hard to believe that they have no clue as to where your
truck is at.

- - Mark Reimers KB9ODG
'66 Bronco 170 I-6, 3-speed, 3.5" suspension lift, 3" body lift, 35"
tires ...
'87 F-150 XLT 4x2 300 I-6, 4-speed, two working fuel tanks!(finally)

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> From: Menagiasaol.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96- Need help
>
> Dear Ford truckers
> In early Sept. I ordered a F250 SD SC XLT, so far no truck.
> The dealer does not know why. This Truck is being built in
> Kentukey. If any one works for Ford there or any where and
> can help me find out why such a long delay please respond.
> Thanks
> Elias
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