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80-96-list Digest Mon, 08 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 082

In This Issue:
EFI 460 restrictor plates
Flowmaster price
Re: Flowmaster price
Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers
Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd
Re: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers
Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd
Re: Shift lever adjustment
Re: More oomph at road speed?
Re: More oomph at road speed?
Re: Shift lever adjustment
Re: SEMA Action Network Legislative Alert
Blue smoke 81 F250HD 4WD
Re: Blue smoke 81 F250HD 4WD
Re: SEMA Action Network Legislative Alert
Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd
Swapping Transmissions?
Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd
Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd
Re: Swapping Transmissions?
Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd
Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or

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From: "Stephen Hansen" ndak.net>
Subject: EFI 460 restrictor plates
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:13:31 -0500


>The little plastic restrictor plates in your intake hoses. Well, about 3
>month ago I done that. I noticed zero difference, but a bunch of noise, not
>a good sound, but an annoying noise. And 2 months after I done that the
>truck misses on start up. When you start it revs up to 1500 or a little
>less for about 2 seconds then starts missing really bad for about 15 seconds,
>then clears itself out. I don't know why it waited this long to act up, but
>it did. So figuratively speaking DON'T CUT THEM OUT!!!!!!!!
I heard about these restrictor plates from a E4OD Transmission god, when asking about one of those transmission shifter chips. Anyway, I passed it onto my dad and he removed it in his 1990 F-250 w/460. He thinks it gets a hair better mileage and is performing better (who am I to argue?). he has had NO bad reactions. Perhaps something else is wrong with yours not related to the plate/
Steve






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From: "Hummer Luvver" hotmail.com>
Subject: Flowmaster price
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:17:32 GMT

Recently I had a buddy of mine with a 5.0 stang have a muffler shop quote
him $150 for a flowmaster system. The reason this caught my attention is
I've got another friend that forked over $300+ to get Flows for his 351
Bronco. I don't have a V-8, and I don't really plan on being one of those
people that pretends to(you know the ones that make their sixes sound as
loud as possible). However, this price did get my attention. Is this a
good price for a performance exhaust? Would flows on my 4.9 be cheaper than
a system on a 5.0(I'm gonna go myself and get a price quote as soon as I
have the time)? Also, my truck isn't a show truck or anything, but I have
kept it in next to flawless condition. Would flows be a worthy investment?
I'm not going for cool look or cool sound(although I wouldn't mind it). Are
the increased gas mileage benifits significant in the long run?---Nathan '88
F-150 XLT Lariat
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:54:31 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Flowmaster price

At 03:17 PM 5/8/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Would flows on my 4.9 be cheaper than a system on a 5.0

They should be as you would only be getting 1...and go for the
3-chamber if ya want a good mellow sound, about $50. Would
advise goingto a 3" pipe coming out of the muffler (about 45 bux).
Plus a few more dollars for the installation.
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1986 F150 six banger


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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:55:07 -0700
From: SBJ wsu.edu>
Subject: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers

Hey everyone,
First Off if you AREN'T A FORD Owner DELETE now. Thank you.

Okay, some of you may know that ARB is offering to build once again their
STOUT Winch capable BullBar for the 80-91 Half-Ton Fords, including
Broncos. I'm sending this email out in attempt to gain some interest in
getting these Bumpers manufactured once again. For ARB to begin making
them again, they need 10 solid orders. So if any of you out there are
looking for a winch capable bumper for your 80-91 Fullsize ford, I suggest
looking into the ARB's.
Feel free to email me off list with any questions, or flames...


Scotty
I sent this, since I am one of 3 currently waiting for another 7 orders to
be placed.
Thanks for your time out there!
'86 Bronco XLT, 351W, C-6, NP 208, 9" (lsd), 3.50 gears ....
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From: "Cade Pierce" 1st.net>
Subject: Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:03:26 -0400

Let's start a flame war, shall we ;)

Disclaimer: I'm NOT an ANSI mechanic (nor a good speller). The
following statement is from experience only:

>From what I've seen on the farm, construction and a couple 6.9 diesels in
action, an "either" dependent diesel basically wont start w/o either. Your
right from one respect, you can drag it all day and probably not get it
started. However, I have seen several 6.9's started with the old "tug"
starter.

Side note: The PSD does inject fuel directly into the cylinders, hence the
meaning of "direct inject."

A good (and old) alternative to either that won't screw up the rings is to
take a rag soaked with gasoline, hold it over the intake manifold or turbo
inlet (engine side of filter) while starting. Be careful as not to let the
rag get sucked into the turbo. Does work on a cold 6.9 (well, low milage on
anyway).

Experience side note: Fix the problem. Thease trucks run great NEW!!!

-Cade

> From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
> Subject: Re: 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd
>
> Unless a glow plug equipped engine is warm, it will not start without a
> preheating aid. They are very necessary on a IH 6.9 or 7.3 or other IDI
> engines(even the PSD DI engine needs them). Diesel engines that don't use
glow
> plugs (CAT, Cummins, Detroit) are different from the light truck variants
> because they have different combustion chamber designs that build up heat
much
> quicker (and inject fuel directly into the cylinders) than a pre-chamber
head
> design therefore will start in most conditions with very few engine
> revolutions. Around here, if the fuel is jelled to the point that the
engine
> will not start, the only way to get them running is to heat the fuel tanks
> enough to get the engine running. And then letting the warm return fuel
to
> keep the fuel in the tanks from jelling.
> You can vapor lock any Diesel engine if you use too much ether as a
starting
> aid. They are all affected, from light trucks on up to the large engines.
Our
> shop pickup (84 F250, 4x4 6.9) has had non working glow plugs for almost 2
> years now. A 3-4 second blast of ether into the grille intake starts it
every
> time. Whether it's 70 or 30 below. We could tow this thing around the
shop 20
> times and it still wouldn't start without ether or functioning glow plugs,
by
> design.
> Jason
>
> PSales264 aol.com wrote:
>
> > Glow plugs make diesels start easier. They aren't necessary. and towing
a
> > truck that is cold will get it started where a battery and starter will
be
> > long gone. I've done it over and over with big trucks that do not use
glow
> > plugs. and by bad fuel I meant also in the cold. Towing is also better
than
> > using ether, some small diesels Ford, INT, GMC will vapor lock on that,
not
> > so much Cummins or Int. PHIL




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From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:23:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers

yeah, i am looking for a stout winch bumper, but i cant say i will be buying
one too soon, maybe over the summer, so if it goes through that they start
making them. inform me please..
nick
82 351w in a
85 f150 xl t-18 4x4 8.8" rear 3.55's

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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:07:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roger Lane excite.com>
Subject: Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd


On Mon, 8 May 2000 15:03:26 -0400, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

> Let's start a flame war, shall we ;)
> (LOTTSA STUFF SNIPPED)

Best starting fluid that I have found for older desiels is WD-40. Granted
my experience has been on Kenworths, Peterbuilts and the ocassional (yuck)
GM.

Roger

"Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your
regular duties."





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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 06:51:34 +1000
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Shift lever adjustment


chuck sanborn wrote:

> By the way, the shifting got so sloppy I have totally lost 1st
> and reverse. The floor shifter I was going to put in today, that
> was supposed to fit this application did not make allowances for
> the speedometer cable so right now I have only 2nd and 3rd.
> And the wife to hop out when reverse is called for...she pulls up
> on the rear lever :-)

Ahhh, the good old wife ..... Does she get to ride up front in the cab
or do you make her ride in the back with the dog ....??? ;-))

regards
Les
Lost in the land of OZ



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From: 2insane excite.com
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:15:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: More oomph at road speed?

-------------------------------
Al,
Of course, you are right on the money with the exhaust idea. Also a K and N
drop in replacement filter will help out too. And a chip would be advisable,

along with a shift kit for the transmission.
-------------------------------
I've done a little modifying on my truck and have not seen any great results
from it. I'm wondering if there is something to do or how could i get more
power? right now in my 89 4x4 f-150 302 i got the air sucking through a k&n,
mixing with gas being ignited by voltage from a msd coil and going through
ford 9mm wires(blue, looks nice) to newer spark plugs gapped at about .55
and then exiting out my homemade "performance exhaust" of only the 1st cat,
no second or muffler and coming out the stock side location.
i've thought about a chip but with the luck i'm having with this other stuff
i'm not so sure. the only power difference i've noticed is when i changed my
exhaust. it seems to run real smooth but with not very much more power. am i
doing something wrong? i can't even spin my tires out of a holeshot anymore,
that went away after i replaced my 70,000+ mile original spark plugs with
new ones.i was hoping for something better. i'm not expecting to launch the
front tires of the ground but with the money i put in i was expecting better
results.
with the modifying do u need to change the spark advance or something? i
think with lower backpressure this can change? but it's all computer
controlled i believe with the TFI right? or does it automatically adjust?
more fuel needs with lower backpressure to i assume. auto adjusting with the
02 sensors and what not or something needs to be changed there too(how)
upping fuel pressure i heard was something to be done also? yes, no, how?
alright, i've ate enough bandwidth with my ramblings. thanks for any and all
replys to this.
DK





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From: 2insane excite.com
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: More oomph at road speed?

-------------------------------
Al,
Of course, you are right on the money with the exhaust idea. Also a K and N
drop in replacement filter will help out too. And a chip would be advisable,

along with a shift kit for the transmission.
-------------------------------
I've done a little modifying on my truck and have not seen any great results
from it. I'm wondering if there is something to do or how could i get more
power? right now in my 89 4x4 f-150 302 i got the air sucking through a k&n,
mixing with gas being ignited by voltage from a msd coil and going through
ford 9mm wires(blue, looks nice) to newer spark plugs gapped at about .55
and then exiting out my homemade "performance exhaust" of only the 1st cat,
no second or muffler and coming out the stock side location.
i've thought about a chip but with the luck i'm having with this other stuff
i'm not so sure. the only power difference i've noticed is when i changed my
exhaust. it seems to run real smooth but with not very much more power. am i
doing something wrong? i can't even spin my tires out of a holeshot anymore,
that went away after i replaced my 70,000+ mile original spark plugs with
new ones.i was hoping for something better. i'm not expecting to launch the
front tires of the ground but with the money i put in i was expecting better
results.
with the modifying do u need to change the spark advance or something? i
think with lower backpressure this can change? but it's all computer
controlled i believe with the TFI right? or does it automatically adjust?
more fuel needs with lower backpressure too i assume. auto adjusting with
the 02 sensors and what not or something needs to be changed there too(how)
upping fuel pressure i heard was something to be done also? yes, no, how?
alright, i've ate enough bandwidth with my ramblings. thanks for any and all
replys to this.
DK





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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:26:48 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Shift lever adjustment

At 06:51 AM 5/7/00 +1000, you wrote:
>..... Does she get to ride up front in the cab
>or do you make her ride in the back with the dog ....??? ;-))

Whaddumean....dog ride in the back....sheesh :-))





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Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 08:09:43 +1000
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: SEMA Action Network Legislative Alert



Shawn & Jennifer Clark wrote:
A big cut >>>>>

> I am an engineer, I like things with more power AND more efficiency. I
> also
> have worked on a few small energy savings projects and in doing so came to
> the realization that we (American citizens and corporations) do not
> properly value energy.

I never thought I would live long enough to see/hear a citizen of the USA ever
admit that !!!!;-))


> Personally, I don't mind paying fair value for
> something. If people want to oppose changing the CAFE standards because it
> will make it harder for them to buy larger and more powerful trucks, then I
> can understand and respect that.

Unfortunately, unless there is legislative change, my God, what am I saying!!,
there is no real reason automotive change apart from Style & Performance. Would
Ford or any other auto manufacturer voluntarily reduced the pollution levels of
the 60's if it wasn't for legislation ? It would be nice to think the changes
over the last 20-30 years were just because they are good guys, and enjoy
spending money on smog systems you don't want.- it just doesn't reflect
reality!! Even using our beloved Ford Trucks as an example, the differences in
pollution equipment appears to vary on a state by state and then
internationally, on a country by country basis, usually to comply with the
relevant Design Rules. No DR's ?? nothing fitted ... Hmmmm


> However, many of the other arguments
> thrown out are highly dubious.
>
> This is a real stretch and I really doubt it. USA Today analysis??? Not
> exactly experts and typical media analysis is rather simplistic rubbish
> when examining technical issues.

The first rule of media production, and with apologies to any TV producers on
this list, is to skew the argument to the left or right extreme, then compress
the logic to a 10 second sound bite. Makes it easy to use for station promos.
The last thing you want is a balanced argument and a situation where everyone
nods approval and moves on .....

A real big cut >>>>

> To top it off,
> having a good primary source of energy like fusion, would leave petroleum
> for me to use in my truck, sports car, etc... Unfortunately, it will not
> happen any time soon, only a tiny percentage of the population will support
> something like this...unless a crisis focuses their attention (WWII for the
> atom bomb, and Sputnik/arms race for the moon landing.) My countrymen are
> too concerned with the immediate to see the future. Most of them can't
> even spell fusion, don't understand the difference between CFC's and
> greenhouse gases, fail to understand the real time value of money, and
> think "four more years" is a looooong time.
>
> Shawn Clark
> e-mail: sd&jkclark tyler.net

Shawn,

As you may have gathered by now, I do agree with the major thrust of your
argument, whether the SEMA group is the right way to go, I don't know. I did
think your post would have provoked some sort of a response, or maybe it was
tooo well balanced, and produced the 'noddy effect' - see above - media
production.
The price of US fuel has to at least double to make alternatives more viable or
have the bowser cost linked to world parity pricing. Wow, didn't that sound
like a real good idea at the time, NOT. The reality is, we have learnt to live
with it in OZ. I'll bet more trucks would be using LPG if the price was 50% of
petrol, and you can't argue that the kits aren't available. IMHO the best
propane kits come from the USA. Especially if you are trying to use the word
'performance' in the same sentence. Yes even in OZ, LPG is still regarded as
taxi fuel, a sometime troublesome alternative to petrol. If the same time money
and effort had been spent developing alternatives, as has been spent on petrol,
the situation would be quite different.

I don't think the Oil Co's would be wrapped in the fusion system. How often do
you have to 'fill up' ?? Every ten or so years ?? ;-)) The way some people
drive, how do you protect the reactor from damage, or do you turn every reactor
accident site into a toxic waste dump ? and can you still 'hot rod' a reactor
based truck ?? Ok, just kidding ....
I do appreciate your thoughts, and the effect it had on my fast fading grey
cells.

Just out of curiosity, what sort of fuel/energy saving systems were you
involved in, if your allowed to talk about it, that is.

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ



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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:35:21 -0700
From: "Ronald J. Myers" grasshoppernet.com>
Subject: Blue smoke 81 F250HD 4WD

I've got an 81 F250HD 4wd (Taint purty, but it's mine!) with a 351M.
After my trip to work, about 20 miles, if I shut the engine off and let
the truck sit for a while, say 20 minutes, and then restart it, I see a
large puff of blue smoke.
People have told me that this is a problem with the valve seals.
1. Is this right?
2. Is this worth fixing? Can I pull the valve covers, pressurize one
cylinder at a time and pull the rockers and
springs and replace them, or would you opt for other work and remove the

entire head.

Just bought another compression gauge, the one I have wouldn't reach
into the space and seal properly, so I
don't know what condition the engine is in. I see very little blow-by
at idle when I pull the oil fill cap, and the
air cleaner remains oil free for as long as I leave it in, but there is
a little
oil in the trap in the side of the air cleaner. (This engine has two
vacuum lines running to the covers, one with a PCV valve to the
passenger side cover and the other to the air cleaner body)

The truck was used when I bought it, 4 years ago, and the truck has
190,000 on it, but the previous owner (I bought it from a dealer and
located the previous owner afterward) said he was sure that it had a new

engine installed in it sometime before he got it. Consequently, I don't

know the mileage on the engine.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Joe Myers




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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:44:31 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Blue smoke 81 F250HD 4WD

At 06:35 PM 5/8/00 -0700, you wrote:
>People have told me that this is a problem with the valve seals.
>1. Is this right?
>2. Is this worth fixing? Can I pull the valve covers, pressurize one
>cylinder at a time and pull the rockers and
>springs and replace them, or would you opt for other work and remove the

If the smoke problem goes away it prolly is the valve stem seals..easy enough
fix and done mostly as you say. Don't bother pressurizing the cylinder,
thread some
1/8 rope in there then bring the piston to tdc. That will hold the
valves. Pull the
spring and replace the seals.
Chuck


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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:54:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: SEMA Action Network Legislative Alert

At 02:18 PM 5/6/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken,
>
>I hate to say this since I have only respect for the services you provide,
>but I disagree with most of the statements in this legislative alert.


I'm just forwarding it without comment. If I practice editorial
privilege and just forward some items and not others, people cry
foul and censorship. If I forward everything, others cry foul
because they may disagree.

Don't shoot the messenger. :-)

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts





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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:09:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd

On my 7.3 powerstroke, most every mouring when it has been around the
freezing point the truck will not start without out sitting there trying to
start letting it sit and then finally about ten minutes of letting the glow
plugs do the work it will finally turn over. Are there any remendies for
this? Another problem is no matter if it warm cold or just hot the truck
always blows white smoke at start up and just at start up. The truck is not
equipped with the plug in the wall feature to keep it warm wish it was. Any
suggestions for me had the truck for a yr. This is the first diesal i have
owned and dont know too much about them.

thanks much

Luke

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From: "Rob Sartorius" qwestinternet.net>
Subject: Swapping Transmissions?
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:29:48 -0500


Anybody got an idea how much I might spend in exchanging my 3 speed
auto tranny in my 1984 351 Ext Cab for an overdrive transmission? What
increase in mileage might I expect. I currently get 10-12 on the highway.
I think I have a 3.53 rear end.?
Rob Sartorius
Edmond, OK



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From: PSales264 aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:37:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd

Sounds like you have some worn-out glow plugs or the glow plug controller is
not working right. A check of that system should show which it is and it can
be repaired.
It should fix it very well. White smoke for a short time right after startup
is normal, normal operating temperature ends the smoke.

------------------------------

From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:53:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd

thanks, for the info. i thought it was the glow plugs havent checked them
yet. well i didnt think that is what i was told.


luke

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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:15:34 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Swapping Transmissions?

The AOD has a .67 OD gear, the E4OD has a .71 OD. The autos without are at 1
to 1 at 3rd gear. A reduction of 23 to 33% in RPM is what you gain. So, the
math has to worked. You may see 3rd 4 MPG improvement. Depending on how you
drive.

Bob


Rob Sartorius wrote:

> Anybody got an idea how much I might spend in exchanging my 3 speed
> auto tranny in my 1984 351 Ext Cab for an overdrive transmission? What
> increase in mileage might I expect. I currently get 10-12 on the highway.
> I think I have a 3.53 rear end.?
> Rob Sartorius
> Edmond, OK
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Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:50:38 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd

> Let's start a flame war, shall we ;)
>
Now your talking!! Just for fun though.


> Side note: The PSD does inject fuel directly into the cylinders, hence the
> meaning of "direct inject."
>
Yes, but they have very different combustion chamber designs that require the
use of glow plugs for cold starting ease.


> Experience side note: Fix the problem. Thease trucks run great NEW!!!
>
I've been through the complete system from glow plugs, controller (early style)
and even a complete wiring harness and it still doesn't work properly. It
doesn't stop long enough to work on anyways. The ether works good enough for us.
The pickup is far from being NEW, but it is still very reliable for having
almost 300,000 hard miles on it.
Jason


>
>
> Disclaimer: I'm NOT an ANSI mechanic (nor a good speller). The
> following statement is from experience only:
>
> >From what I've seen on the farm, construction and a couple 6.9 diesels in
> action, an "either" dependent diesel basically wont start w/o either. Your
> right from one respect, you can drag it all day and probably not get it
> started. However, I have seen several 6.9's started with the old "tug"
> starter.
>
>
>
> A good (and old) alternative to either that won't screw up the rings is to
> take a rag soaked with gasoline, hold it over the intake manifold or turbo
> inlet (engine side of filter) while starting. Be careful as not to let the
> rag get sucked into the turbo. Does work on a cold 6.9 (well, low milage on
> anyway).
>
>
>
> -Cade
>
> > From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
> > Subject: Re: 460 and PSD: E40D or 5spd
> >
> > Unless a glow plug equipped engine is warm, it will not start without a
> > preheating aid. They are very necessary on a IH 6.9 or 7.3 or other IDI
> > engines(even the PSD DI engine needs them). Diesel engines that don't use
> glow
> > plugs (CAT, Cummins, Detroit) are different from the light truck variants
> > because they have different combustion chamber designs that build up heat
> much
> > quicker (and inject fuel directly into the cylinders) than a pre-chamber
> head
> > design therefore will start in most conditions with very few engine
> > revolutions. Around here, if the fuel is jelled to the point that the
> engine
> > will not start, the only way to get them running is to heat the fuel tanks
> > enough to get the engine running. And then letting the warm return fuel
> to
> > keep the fuel in the tanks from jelling.
> > You can vapor lock any Diesel engine if you use too much ether as a
> starting
> > aid. They are all affected, from light trucks on up to the large engines.
> Our
> > shop pickup (84 F250, 4x4 6.9) has had non working glow plugs for almost 2
> > years now. A 3-4 second blast of ether into the grille intake starts it
> every
> > time. Whether it's 70 or 30 below. We could tow this thing around the
> shop 20
> > times and it still wouldn't start without ether or functioning glow plugs,
> by
> > design.
> > Jason
> >
> > PSales264 aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Glow plugs make diesels start easier. They aren't necessary. and towing
> a
> > > truck that is cold will get it started where a battery and starter will
> be
> > > long gone. I've done it over and over with big trucks that do not use
> glow
> > > plugs. and by bad fuel I meant also in the cold. Towing is also better
> than
> > > using ether, some small diesels Ford, INT, GMC will vapor lock on that,
> not
> > > so much Cummins or Int. PHIL
>
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:16:42 -0500
From: a&b uab.campuscwix.net>
Subject: Re: Tow/Glow plug startup : was 460 and PSD: E40D or....


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