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80-96-list Digest Thu, 04 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 079

In This Issue:
Re: general ?
Oil pan repair
Re: general ?
Re: Brake Light switch
Re: general ?
Re: general ?
Re: general ?
SEMA Action Network Legislative Alert - U.S. House of
Re: general ?
Re: Bell sound at front wheel.
f250 diesel
Re: EFI 460 restrictor testing
High-Beam switch

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: general ?
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:39:03 -0400

> i have a 351w and i am looking on getting a 4bbl intake for it.
> ..will the 302 intake fit on it, or is it too different?

nope ... the intake for the 351W is wider than the 302 ...
you would need to look for a 85-86 era F-series with a
351W if yer looking for a stock 4V, otherwise there are
a number of aftermarket manufacturers that you can get
a 351W-4V from. Edelbrock seems to be the most
popular.



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From: "Navarra, Anthony" pepsi.com>
Subject: Oil pan repair
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:09:13 -0400

Thanks to "Serian" and "Joe; Lost in Jersey" for their tip on using epoxy to
plug the rust induced hole in the oil pan on my '89 F250. I bought gas tank
patch kit that came complete with sandpaper, fiberglass patch, epoxy and
applicator for $16 at the local CarQuest. I cleaned off the heavy grease
with a mixture of ammonia, bleach and water. The whole job took only 30
minutes.

I'm going to replace the oil pan soon and would appreciate any advice on
that job.

TIA
A.J Navarra
'89 F250 4x4 w/210k miles





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From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:02:30 EDT
Subject: Re: general ?

ok, thankx for clearing that up, 302 intake on a 351w, and i will prolly look
into a kit that includes a edelbrock intake, 600 cfm carb, air cleaner and
gaskets for round $350
nick

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Date: Thu, 04 May 00 15:59:16 -0800
From: Todd Mueller trifilm.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Light switch


One switch is the stoplamp switch and the other is the vacuum dump
valve switch (round w/white plunger). The troubleshoot chart is pretty
short. It has you...
1.apply brakes and observe stop lamps
2.Check dump valve
3.Check servo operation
4.Perform amplifier test
Since the stoplamps don't work you get stuck at step 1. You're then
supposed to check the stoplamp switch, supply circuit, fuses or bulbs.
Once you get the stoplamps working the next test is to measure the
battery voltage at the white-purple stripe
lead at the cruise control amplifier connector and then apply the
brakes activating the stoplamps and measure the voltage of the light
green wire on that same connector. The difference should not exceed
1.5 volts. If it does there's high resistance in the stoplamp circuit
and it must be corrected. Check for a burned out/corroded bulb or
socket or any suspect previous owner trailer wiring etc.
The RearABS is not mentioned as effecting the speed control circuit
but RABS does have the stoplamps in its circuit so they could share a
common problem. There is a RABS test connector under the dash. It's a
black-orange stripe lead with a male spade housed in a black plastic
connector bundled in all those wires that pass through the driver-side
firewall. With the truck running and the RABS light on if you ground
momentarily the RABS test connector you're supposed to be able to
obtain a flashout code from the RABS light. Flashout 11 is Stop Lamp
Switch Circuit Defective.
I've got the '90 Truck Shop Manuals so ask if none of that worked.

Todd W. M.
'87 Bronco



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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:45:55 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: general ?

Uhh, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE...
A 302 intake WILL NOT FIT ON A 351W!!!!

At 07:02 PM 5/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
>ok, thankx for clearing that up, 302 intake on a 351w, and i will prolly look
>into a kit that includes a edelbrock intake, 600 cfm carb, air cleaner and
>gaskets for round $350
>nick
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From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:54:01 EDT
Subject: Re: general ?

i know that the 302 wont fit...thats why im glad ur fellas cleared it up..
nick

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From: "Mike Persell" home.com>
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:29:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: general ?

That would be a tough vacuum leak to seal...

Mike



On Thu, 04 May 2000 16:45:55 -0700, chuck sanborn wrote:

>Uhh, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE...
>A 302 intake WILL NOT FIT ON A 351W!!!!
>
>At 07:02 PM 5/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
>>ok, thankx for clearing that up, 302 intake on a 351w, and i will prolly look
>>into a kit that includes a edelbrock intake, 600 cfm carb, air cleaner and
>>gaskets for round $350
>>nick
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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:58:26 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: SEMA Action Network Legislative Alert - U.S. House of

As some of you may have noticed by the main page of the Ford
Truck Enthusiasts web site, we recently joined SEMA. Just as
FTE got SEMA alerts as a club, it now received additional
alerts as a member. Following is an alert concerning CAFE
Standards:

LEGISLATIVE ALERT

U.S. House of Representatives to Consider Stricter
Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Standards

CAFE mandates that all manufacturers meet fuel economy targets for their
vehicle fleet. For the last several years, the automotive industry has
successfully fought to freeze the fleet fuel economy average at 27.5 mpg for
cars and 20.7 mpg for light trucks (SUV’s, pickups, minivans). Now, a few
members of the U.S. House of Representatives, in a misguided attempt to
reduce pollution, gas prices and U.S. dependence on foreign oil, are
actively seeking to end the current freeze on CAFE standards. If they are
successful, the effects on consumer choice, not to mention vehicle safety,
will be dramatic.

Contact Your Federal Representatives to Oppose Lifting the CAFE Freeze

Higher CAFE Standards will…

Limit consumer choice in purchasing vehicles. Manufacturers will be forced
to make SUVs, light trucks and minivans more expensive, smaller, less
powerful, and less useful in terms of hauling and towing capacity.

Result in less vehicle availability and higher prices. Light trucks and SUV
’s, noted as “gas guzzlers,” will inevitably be phased out in order for
manufacturers to meet increasing government-mandated fuel economy standards.
In addition, CAFE increases in the light truck market will cost consumers up
to $2,750 in higher vehicle prices.

Lead to more deaths on our nation’s highways. Increased CAFE standards for
larger vehicles will force consumers into smaller cars with higher accident
fatality rates. A USA Today analysis found that “46,000 people have died in
crashes they would have survived in bigger heavier cars.” This works out to
“roughly 7,700 deaths for every mile per gallon gained” by driving smaller
cars (USA Today, July 2, 1999).

Higher CAFE Standards will not…

Improve on pollution. CAFE was enacted in 1975 to conserve fuel, not to
reduce carbon dioxide emissions. The idea that manmade CO2 emissions will
drastically reduce through higher CAFE standards is inaccurate. Even
doubling the fuel economy of new cars in the U.S. would reduce manmade CO2
emissions less than one percent worldwide.

Reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil. To date, CAFE and small cars have
done little to reduce gasoline consumption and the U.S. imports more foreign
oil today than when CAFE standards were first imposed.

Save the consumer money at the gas pump with more fuel efficient vehicles.
Total gas consumption depends on factors such as total miles traveled, the
make-up of the overall vehicle fleet and gasoline prices, NOT simply on new
vehicle mileage standards.

Contact your Member of the U.S. House of Representatives to oppose any
raising of CAFE standards. If you need assistance in determining who your
legislators are, this information can be obtained by calling the SEMA
Washington, D.C. office at 202/783-6007 or you can access this information
via the internet at www.sema.org/fedleg/legislatorrequest.

For assistance in turning this alert into a letter to a legislator, go to
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sema.org/consumer/fedleg/ and choose SEMA's link on "How to Lobby
Elected Officials."

Please fax a copy of your letters to us at 202/783-6024 or mail to: SEMA
Washington Office, 1317 F St., NW, Ste. 500, Washington, D.C. 20004, Attn:
Brian Caudill




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From: slikness mindspring.com
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:43:52 -0400
Subject: Re: general ?

That's the setup I've got and it runs great!


80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
> ok, thankx for clearing that up, 302 intake on a 351w, and i will prolly look into a kit that includes a edelbrock intake, 600 cfm carb, air cleaner and
gaskets for round $350
nick
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From: "Obert, Scott AT3" constellation.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: Bell sound at front wheel.
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:48:53 -0700

Thanks Dave! That was it! I guess you were right too Wayne, I guess I
needed that extra specific description from Dave to overcome my lack of
mechanical knowledge. Boy I feel dumb now. LOL

Thanks,
Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Harmier [SMTP:dharmier pdq.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:30 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Bell sound at front wheel.
>
> I can speak from absolute experience. It was a booger to find, but the
> washer that holds the bottom of the spring (as well as the radius rod to
> the I beam!) was quite loose. I think it was a 1 1/8" wrench, tightened
> it,
> and definitely felt and heard a difference. CHECK THAT BOLT!!!!
>
> Dave H.
> Houston
>
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Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 21:35:41 -0600
From: Mike Hand earthlink.net>
Subject: f250 diesel

I'm looking at a '90 f250 4x4 XLT extended cab (135k miles) with the
diesel engine and automatic transmission. The thing needs two new
batteries, but other than that, it appears to be in good shape with no
real problems. HOWEVER, I'm not as familiar with some other vehicles.
What should I look for? Look out for? I don't believe mileage is an
issue with the diesel engine, but what else is? Does this list have a
checklist I can read? Thanks in advance.
Mike
'94 Taurus SHO
'84 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
'69 Cessna 182.


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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 09:37:20 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: EFI 460 restrictor testing



Fred Moreno wrote:
>

> I'm familiar with the restrictor you mention, and have really enjoyed
> reading about your experiments. I'm jealous. BUT, you really ought to double
> check the idle speed setting when you remove the restrictor. I bring this
> up because you mentioned on one posting that it appeared to you the truck
> idled a little better, implying that something did change.

Actually it was suggested that another list memeber heard it would
idle really poorly with the restritor removed. I was just stating that I
could not really see any difference and that if anything, it felt a
little better. It was by no means a huge change and probably more in my
head than anything else, but it did not create and idle problem. Idle
speed could not have changed as the computer would just put it back to
normal anyway through the IAC valve.

> And check the ignition timing, not that I suspect it should change but I
> have been wrong before.

No way it would change since it's computer controlled unless you created
a huge vac leak (possible affecting MAP) and/or changed TPS setting
taking you out of idle voltage.

OX

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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 01:21:38 -0700
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: High-Beam switch

How does one go about changing the floor high-beam switch? Mine cuts the
high beams to mothing once and a while but a good boot to the side of the
switch fixes it. This is somewhat un-nerving while driving down a dark,
lonely back road.
Chris
'84 F150 w/ original rust!
351W on propane
NP 435
....


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