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80-96-list Digest Tue, 18 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 064

In This Issue:
Re: Radius arm bushing
Re: Radius arm bushing
rear diff speed sensor
Confederate
92 F150 Dual fuel tanks filling each other
Check Engine LIght
Re: Radius arm bushing
Re: Shocking Static
Re: Electric fan problem
Re: Confederate
Re: a better carburetor ?
Re: 92 F150 Dual fuel tanks filling each other
Clutch Fan Conversion
Re: Engine Swappage
Re: MSD
Re: Check Engine LIght
Re: MSD
Re: Clutch Fan Conversion
Re: Check Engine LIght
Re: MSD
K&N stinks
Re: 1981F1504by4,300cu I6,SWB
Re: MSD
Re: 1981F1504by4,300cu I6,SWB

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From: "Chapman, David P" unisys.com>
Subject: Re: Radius arm bushing
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:53:03 -0400

I had the polyurethane bushings put in my 95 Bronco about two months back.
Greatly improved the handling (not that the rubber bushings wouldn't have as
the original ones were worn out). And I haven't had a single squeak.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Fairbairn [mailto:jfairbairn cyberus.ca]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:04 PM
To: ford trucks
Subject: [80-96-list] Radius arm bushing


I have to replace the radius arm bushings in my '96 F-150 4x4. Has anyone
gone to the polyurethane ones or the Ford factory replacements better?

Jeff


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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:11:10 -0500
From: r a n d a ch-advertising.com>
Subject: Re: Radius arm bushing

Ditto here as well.

Steve Randa

"Chapman, David P" wrote:
>
> I had the polyurethane bushings put in my 95 Bronco about two months back.
> Greatly improved the handling (not that the rubber bushings wouldn't have as
> the original ones were worn out). And I haven't had a single squeak.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Fairbairn [mailto:jfairbairn cyberus.ca]
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:04 PM
> To: ford trucks
> Subject: [80-96-list] Radius arm bushing
>
> I have to replace the radius arm bushings in my '96 F-150 4x4. Has anyone
> gone to the polyurethane ones or the Ford factory replacements better?
>
> Jeff
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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:39:09 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: rear diff speed sensor

hey all

A freind of mine picked up a 91 Bronco with a rear dyntrac 35 spline
dana 60 (5 lug) in it, 4.88 gears, 35" BFG muds and 351W/E4OD combo. The
custom rear has speed sensor in diff cover (yes cover :-)). He says it
is shifting way too early and the ABS is working funky (on bumpy roads).
This make sense as the 4.88 gears are very steep for 35" rubber. I'm
looking for some info on the speed sensor, how the ABS works (not
generally, specifically and how to disconnect it) and if the E4OD has a
speed sensor of it's own.

OX

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From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: Confederate
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:24:00 -0500


I hate it when I read stories about the blacks always trying to get the
confederate
memories and honors taken off of different statues and buildings.
If the NAACP knew that the Civil War was not totally fought about slavery
they would better understand, even blacks fought for the south because they
were treated VERY good. White people worked int eh fields right along side
them and most of the time ate with them too. It disgusts me that they wan't
all the flags and memoriabilia removed then want a day preserved to
celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. The Civil War changed history million times
over anything the black activists did. And also when they want to get repaid
for something their ancestors did (WORK) that they don't even do know, most
lower class blacks don't earn there money the hard they choose the easy way,
drugs,pimps,etc... Yes I know whites do too but we aren't complaining about
how the yanks treated us back in middle 1800's. People we have to move on
but fighting to get someone elses honor taking away then get you honor made
is NEVER gonna amount to anything, except another Civil War but the only
problem with that is no one cares about that anymore, and they should. We
have to fight to honor our ancestors and some of our great grandfathers that
fought to keep the south, and even though they lost the war, now they
realize how many poeple below the mason-dixie line still salute them and the
flag in honor for there courage and perseverance.

Joel Thomas
Little Rock,AR

in regards to story on MSNBC
Joe Davidson, Editor








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From: ACMERCG aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:26:51 EDT
Subject: 92 F150 Dual fuel tanks filling each other

I've been having this problem for about a week now, if the front tank is
empty, the rear somehow fills it. Is there anyone on this list who has had a
similar problem? Did you find a solution? Maybe it could be related to my
front tank not reading at the Gauge? maybe the selector switch?

Thanks,

Joe
Lost in jersey

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:32:30 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Check Engine LIght

Did the 86, F150. 4.9L come with a Check Engine Light? I may have to
PROVE to the state smog certifiers that this trick never had a light and
therefore does not now need one to get a smog certificate.
If it did or did not, is there a anything I can referece to prove this fact?
Thanks,
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger


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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:36:19 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Radius arm bushing

At 08:11 AM 4/18/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Ditto here as well.
>
> > the original ones were worn out). And I haven't had a single squeak.


Hmmm, that must just go to show ya that they make the bushings
different for the truck :-)
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger


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From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:37:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Shocking Static

> I learned a habit a LONG time ago to help with that.
>
> > hi, i'd like to know if anyone else out there experiances a shock when
> you
> > get out of your car/truck, i knows its a static shock, but is there any
> way
> > to get rid of it? thankx for the help
>
> I always have a hold of the metal part of my (or any) door as I get out.
> Occasionaly I forget, and the ZAP always brings me back.
> Grounding the truck with a strap or wire should do it too.
>
> Dave H.
> Houston (Gee it's Hot already!) TX

C'mon Dave. The only zap you get when opening the door in
Houston is the 95% humidity hitting you in the face. More like a
brick wall hitting you :-O
Danny
fitz011 ev1.net

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From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:10:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Electric fan problem

> I apologize for the non truck vehicle post, but I'm running out of
> ideas.
>
> I'm experiencing problems with the cooling fan on an 86 Tempo.
> I have done the following :
>
> replaced fan motor
> the switch in the thermostat housing is good
> fan relay is good
>
> I checked the voltage at fan connector with the switch in the t-stat
> housing in the closed position, and there is approx. 8volts.
>
> I'm at a loss, is there a fusible link blown somewhere ? Any help would
> be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Sounds like a high resistance/corroded connection somewhere.
Start backing up from the connection you tested and check every
connection/wire until you see 12V. Check that relay also. Even a
good looking connector can be corroded internally, especially when
owners have cleaned the engine at high pressure type car washes.

Fusible links *usually* blow very well. Either full juice or none.

Don't forget to check voltage out of the intergrated relay board.

Danny
fitz011 ev1.net

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From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:22:06 EDT
Subject: Re: Confederate

Poor Joel! How embarassed he must have been when he realized he posted his
ramblings to the Ford Truck List. It must have been intended for some list
catering to simple minded racists. I hope he gets it right next time and
sticks to the subject of Fords here.

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: a better carburetor ?
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:44:42 -0400

> and its only a 2bbl, i am looking for a smaller 2bbl,
> i have a motorcraft variable venturi e2tecca,2a1k2
> so if anyone out there has a smaller 2bbl

Yech ... I've never liked those variable venturi carbs
much. Go to one of your local salvage yards and
spook around for a Motorcraft 2100 or 2150. Ford
used that as the standard 2V carb on almost everything
that took one, so they should be rather plentiful. I have
found that they are relatively easy maintenance, and
are usually adequate for all but the most demanding of
uses.



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From: "Wallace A. Gustafson" speedchoice.com>
Subject: Re: 92 F150 Dual fuel tanks filling each other
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:32:33 -0700

Call Ford Immediately -- There is an NTSB Safety Recall that has NOT been
done on your truck.

Wallace A. Gustafson
Cobra Racing & Engineering
1991 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible (Cobra & Police Interceptor
Modifications)
1991 Ford F-150 XLT Lariat

----- Original Message -----
From: aol.com>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:26 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] 92 F150 Dual fuel tanks filling each other


> I've been having this problem for about a week now, if the front tank is
> empty, the rear somehow fills it. Is there anyone on this list who has
had a
> similar problem? Did you find a solution? Maybe it could be related to
my
> front tank not reading at the Gauge? maybe the selector switch?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
> Lost in jersey
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From: Awfanning aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:03:50 EDT
Subject: Clutch Fan Conversion

In a message dated 4/18/00 5:16:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Mark Reimers
writes:

< < Stick with your stock fan and get a clutch for it. > >

What does it take to convert a 300 ci six with clutchless fan to one with a
clutch? I know, I know - a clutch! But seriously, what provides the input
to the clutch to tell it when to engage or disengage?

Alan Fanning
San Jose
'82 F-150 S'Cab w/300 ci engine

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:02:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage
From: Paul M Radecki juno.com>

RE: Electric fans. This month's Car Craft magazine (May 2000, pg 50) did
a credible power test on fans. Their Brand X small block dynoed at 495hp
(peak) with no fan, 494.4hp with a Black Magic electric, and 486.7hp with
a thermal clutch fan. The worst clutch fan tested outperformed the best
flex fan. The OE rigid fan made 449.0hp. YMMV.

RE: Clifford Performance. They have lots of cool stuff for older 300
sixes, but diddley-squat for late model (i.e. fuel injected) models.

RE: 351W vs 347 stroker. I am told that the main reasons to use a
stroked 302 rather than a 351W are the weight, clearance, and cooling
issues one must address when swapping a 351W-based motor into a
Fox-bodied Mustang. None of these is of any concern to truck folks, who
are blessed with huge engine bays. My 2 cents: get a 351W and spend the
extra cash on speed parts.

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 300ci
'73 F100 FE
________________________________________________________________





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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:49:09 +1000
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: MSD


Yes, But I'll leave the recommendations to this list's resident MSD Guru, Phred.

... still having fun in a ford....

Les
Lost in the land of OZ

BanksRVA aol.com wrote:

> I have been reading alot about the MSD. Is it really worth it? If so, I have
> an 82 with a 300 and an 82 351W. Which model units should I use?
> Joe


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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Re: Check Engine LIght
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:27:52 -0600

That year truck is difficult to say because it was a transitional model
year. It was a time when Ford was fazing out the Duraspark/carbureted system
and fazing in the EFI TFI-IV system.

If you look at your model year (MY) wiring harness and then look at an '87
or '88, you will note that most wire colors are different, your SPOUT (if
you have one) is different...
From what I have seen on the MY involving this transtion you can almost
expect anything. I hate having to specify applications without having the
ability to get someone to lift the hood and see what is really there.

So...if you have a carbureted engine but have the TFI-IV system, then you
probably have the 60-pin computer. It is located behind the parking brake
linkage and it goes through the firewall. The 60-pin computer connector
located inside the engine compartment does not have all pin locations
filled, so you only have 30-40 wires actually going into the computer.

If you have such a connector, pin 17 (Tan/with Red stip?)is the wire that
runs to the Self-Test connector, and is also the one that controls the
illumination of the "Check Engine" light (MIL - Malfuntion Indicator Light).

BUT if you have a wire coming out of this pin 17 location, that is not a
guarantee that have the MIL. Ford was anticipating its installation, might
of had the harness prepped but not the dash.
Duraspark system did not come with the Check Engine light (as far as I am
aware of).
Have you taken the dash off to see what's really back there? Was that not
a lot of ramblin to ask you that question? I do apologize to you and the
list readers.

Phred
1995 F-150 4X4, 5.0L, 5 speed, and 4 Bilstein shocks have been ordered,
Yahoo!! "Mama's, don't let your baby's grow up to be off-roaders..."



-----Original Message-----
From: chuck sanborn [mailto:slammer deltanet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:31
To: Fred Moreno
Subject: Check Engine LIght


Fred,
I sent this to the group but thought I'd send directly to you as you seem
to be the "Knower of All Things" ;-)

Did the 86, F150. 4.9L come with a Check Engine Light? I may have to
PROVE to the state smog certifiers that this trick never had a light and
therefore does not now need one to get a smog certificate.
If it did or did not, is there a anything I can referece to prove this fact?
Thanks,
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger

------------------------------

From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Re: MSD
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:50:50 -0600



Joe wrote:
I have been reading alot about the MSD. Is it really worth it? If
so, I have
an 82 with a 300 and an 82 351W. Which model units should I use?

Well I wish I could say "satisfaction guaranteed or your money back" but
since Autotronic (my employer, and manufacturer/developer of MSD - I work in
a seperate division, the Alt. Fuels/Black sheep division) sells only to WD's
it is up to them, so check out the WD's own program. Most are pretty good.

However if your experience is anything like mine and a few others on the
list, I believe you will be happy with your purchase. I would recommend
getting any of the MSD 6 series. You can't go wrong. The MSD 5 series is
also a good buy, less money, but not a capacitive discharge system like the
6 series. If you would like a catalog to browse over, email me directly.

Phred
MSD 6 digital user - too many bells and whistles to play with.


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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:05:59 -0500
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: Clutch Fan Conversion

At 18-04-00 15:03, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/18/00 5:16:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Mark Reimers
>writes:
>
>< < Stick with your stock fan and get a clutch for it. > >
>
>What does it take to convert a 300 ci six with clutchless fan to one with a
>clutch? I know, I know - a clutch! But seriously, what provides the input
>to the clutch to tell it when to engage or disengage?

If you picked up a fan clutch at a junkyard or auto parts store, you would
see right away. The clutch is heat operated. When heat from the radiator
warms it up, the fan begins to spin closer to engine RPM. Before that (when
cool) it freewheels at an RPM much below the engine's.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8


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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:28:25 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Check Engine LIght

At 03:27 PM 4/18/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Have you taken the dash off to see what's really back there? Was that not
>a lot of ramblin to ask you that question? I do apologize to you and the
>list readers.

Never enough ramblin' to ask a specific question in hopes of a specific answer.
I do have the tan/red wire coming out of pin 17 as I ran a continuity check
on that pin to connector when I was first trying to sort out all the other
computer stuff. There is no light in the dash, just a hole where the light
would go. Of course there are a couple of other missing lights too. If I
got the light socket for that hole, and ran another tan/red wire off of the
pin 17 wire, wouldn't that give me the Check Engine Light that I may/may not
need?
Thanks Phred,
Chuck

Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger


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From: berninghausen2 juno.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:01:33 -0700
Subject: Re: MSD

With respect to Phred and in agreement with Les, I'd recommend the MSD.
I installed one almost 900 miles ago and over that distance I'm averaging
15.84 mpg with no highway miles (I don't get out much). Power is up,
SOTP (seat of the pants) feel has improved, starting (with the choke
wired open) is instant, and acceleration is better. Don't know what
might happen if I upgrade the stock wires or fiddle with the timing or
mixture. The curb idle jumped about 100-150 rpm; maybe if I dial that
back down, the mpg will improve (?). I chose the MSD5, figuring that
it's an adequate upgrade for an 82 300I6 with highway gears; you need to
select a model for your machine and its uses.

Naturally, as soon as I installed it, I saw a sale price on a Jacobs
package--go figure. Anybody have an opinion on whether I should have
gone that way?

Bill in Portland

On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:56:12 EDT BanksRVA aol.com writes:
> I have been reading alot about the MSD. Is it really worth it? If so,
> I have
> an 82 with a 300 and an 82 351W. Which model units should I use?
> Joe
>
________________________________________________________________





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Subject: K&N stinks
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 00 21:39:37 -0700
From: russ beebe halcyon.com>

Put a K&N filter on my'85 351 4bbl, and besides looking good (shiny
chrome) and sounding good (swooshy) and maybe getting more power, I'm
smelling some sort of fuel/exhaust gasses in the passenger compt. that I
didn't smell before. Also it doesn't idle as well on startup as with
orig. air filter setup. Is this normal? Rest of truck is stock. I put a
breather oil filler cap on the valve cover where it used to connect to
the air filter (and fill it with oil) that seems like it would be the
culprit... but what's the fix? Thanks for any tips.
-russ

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From: Mc Gregor JAMES mossgas.co.za>
Subject: Re: 1981F1504by4,300cu I6,SWB
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:25:11 +0200

I recently purchased this truck and is now starting to look it over.These
trucks are relatively rare in South Africa and sought after by those hauling
caravans or heavy boats.

I need the folowing info:

- Specs on the truck ie engine power , gear ratios , torgue , expected fuel
consumption etc.
- Adresses of USs dealers wiling to freight parts to South Africa.
- Some advice on where to start looking for the cause of a high pitch noise
sometimes when I turn the steering , this becoming embarrasing.The truck
has an power steering but no airconditioner.
- Advice on potential problems to watch out for.

Regards

James McGregor
Mossel Bay
South Africa





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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:34:06 +1000
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: MSD

Hi Bill,

Glad to see someone else is happy with their purchase. I do believe it's
still a case of what you are trying to accomplish by it's installation. I'm
using MSD6al to ignite Propane fuel only. One of the things I have learnt,
with the help of others, is that there is no such thing as too much spark
when to comes to Propane. A sick ignition system outputting as little as 11k
will still fire a petrol mix, but useless starting or running an engine on
propane.
As some of you may already know 'Propane only' means no choke/ warm up fast
Idle cam. The last thing you need on a cold winters morning, is a dodgy
spark. My idea of cold is the appearance of frost on the ground, then head
north. I don't know how cold it gets for Chris in Canada, but I guess it
works Ok.
So any system that gets me close to that mystical 40k spark, over a .55 thou
gap, and not using platinum plugs, looks good to me, *regardless* of it being
a 300-I6, 5.0/5.8 Ltr Cleveland V8, or 6.9Ltr of V8 M/Benz engine. The basic
principle of the Otto cycle engine is the same regardless of size.

.... But I'm having fun in a Ford, 351 Cleveland on LPG & Water/Alcohol
Injection ....;-))

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ




berninghausen2 juno.com wrote:

> With respect to Phred and in agreement with Les, I'd recommend the MSD.
> I installed one almost 900 miles ago and over that distance I'm averaging
> 15.84 mpg with no highway miles (I don't get out much). Power is up,
> SOTP (seat of the pants) feel has improved, starting (with the choke
> wired open) is instant, and acceleration is better. Don't know what
> might happen if I upgrade the stock wires or fiddle with the timing or
> mixture. The curb idle jumped about 100-150 rpm; maybe if I dial that
> back down, the mpg will improve (?). I chose the MSD5, figuring that
> it's an adequate upgrade for an 82 300I6 with highway gears; you need to
> select a model for your machine and its uses.
>
> Naturally, as soon as I installed it, I saw a sale price on a Jacobs
> package--go figure. Anybody have an opinion on whether I should have
> gone that way?
>
> Bill in Portland
>


------------------------------

From: slikness mindspring.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:13:59 -0400
Subject: Re: 1981F1504by4,300cu I6,SWB

Well, the high pitch squeal is easy. That's your power steering belt. Just tighten it up. Loosen a couple of bolts on the power steering pump, pull the pump tighter, and tighten your bolts down.

We probably need some more info to get you truck specs. Give us the info on your door tag, do you have an automatic or stick, what size tires are you running, can you read the metal tag on the front of your rearend housing on the passengeer side of the truck? Give us as much as you can and we'll try to identify the rest for you.

Since you're obviously on the net. Do a search on the net for Ford parts. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford-outlet.com/ is one dealer that seems to ship everywhere. Also www.wrenchead.com and www.carparts.com are pretty good suppliers of parts.

Slik

80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
> I recently purchased this truck and is now starting to look it over.Thesetrucks are relatively rare in South Africa and sought after by those hauling
caravans or heavy boats.

I need the folowing info:

- Specs on the truck ie engine power , gear ratios , torgue , expected fuel