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80-96-list Digest Sun, 16 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 063

In This Issue:
Re: Engine Swappage
Re: Shocking Static
Re: Engine Swappage
Re: Engine Swappage
Re: Engine Swappage
Re: Engine Swappage
Re: Engine Swappage
Re: Engine Swappage
Re: Engine Swappage
roller cam /Re: 347 stroker
Re: 5.8l Transplant and 347 Stroker
Duplicolor Liquid Bedliner
bronco tailgate
Electric fan problem
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Re: 347 stroker
Re: 347 stroker
Re: spark plugs for MSD
Re: MSD
Radius arm bushing
Re: Radius arm bushing
Re: Engine Swappage

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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:54:15 -0500
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage

Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cliffordperformance.com

more goodies there for 6 cyl engines than you can shake a stick at...

At 16-04-00 20:31, you wrote:

>Hey all,
> With all this talk of engine swappage...heh.
>I've been debating on dropping an 8 into my truck, a `95 F150 short
>cab/bed, its the baseline XL plus air and a sony Xplod stereo system
>(rocks :). But I'd like to get more power out of the 4.9L and 5speed
>combo, or if that isn't possible drop in a 302, not a 351, if the mpg
>drops below 16 or so I will have to start riding a bike, heh. Would the
>crated explorer V8 for $1400 be able to line up with the tranny and
>everything? What else would I need and what final cost would I be looking
>at (I'll be doing all the work at my friends, he has all the tools I could
>possibly need so dont count in labor)
>
>so yah, any ideas on getting power out of a `95 six banger? I know
>everyone will say get a K&N, exhaust, but I mean real power, as in what
>electric fan would be good? and does anyone make underdrive pulleys for
>this sucker? Oh and I've looked in every truck magazine and website and
>NO ONE makes headers for a I6...whats up with that?
>
>-Kevin
>
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Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8

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From: "Dave Harmier" pdq.net>
Subject: Re: Shocking Static
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:19:10 -0500

I learned a habit a LONG time ago to help with that.

> hi, i'd like to know if anyone else out there experiances a shock when
you
> get out of your car/truck, i knows its a static shock, but is there any
way
> to get rid of it? thankx for the help

I always have a hold of the metal part of my (or any) door as I get out.
Occasionaly I forget, and the ZAP always brings me back.
Grounding the truck with a strap or wire should do it too.

Dave H.
Houston (Gee it's Hot already!) TX

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From: Lingus0169

aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:22:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage

from what i heard, the 302 stock doesnt have a whole lot on the 300 six
banger stock, this is what my brother said. but from the looks of the gas
prices, dont bother putting in a 351, thats what i did, took out my 300 and
swapped in a 351, wow, my gas milage dropped, and its only a 2bbl, i am
looking for a smaller 2bbl, i have a motorcraft variable venturi e2tecca,2a1k
2 so if anyone out there has a smaller 2bbl and willing to trade, drop me a
note thankx..as for the products for the 300, go to clifford performance.
nick

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From: kb9odg.mark

juno.com
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:38:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage

Kevin,

Go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cliffordperformance.com they have everything for that
300 of yours. Headers, intakes, everything. And why isn't K&N and
exhaust real power? And how does an electric fan mean power? Ok, so the
engine won't have to turn the fan, get a clutch for it. I remember going
through this with someone on one of my lists, you can calculate the power
the alternator pulls from the engine in trying to turn the fan, vs. the
power used to turn the fan connected to the water pump. The difference
was almost nill. They [electric fans] have disadvantages too. At
highway speeds, they can acually reduce the amount of air going through
the radiator. Stick with your stock fan and get a clutch for it.

- Mark Reimers KB9ODG
'66 Bronco 170 I-6, 3-speed, 3.5" suspension lift, 3" body lift, 35"
tires ...
'87 F-150 XLT 4x2 300 I-6, 4-speed, stadium truck sounding, boring no
more

On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Kevin wrote:
> Hey all,
> With all this talk of engine swappage...heh.
> I've been debating on dropping an 8 into my truck, a `95 F150 short
> cab/bed, its the baseline XL plus air and a sony Xplod stereo system
> (rocks :). But I'd like to get more power out of the 4.9L and
> 5speed combo, or if that isn't possible drop in a 302, not a 351, if
> the mpg drops below 16 or so I will have to start riding a bike,
> heh. Would the crated explorer V8 for $1400 be able to line up with
> the tranny and everything? What else would I need and what final
> cost would I be looking at (I'll be doing all the work at my
> friends, he has all the tools I could possibly need so dont count in
> labor)
>
> so yah, any ideas on getting power out of a `95 six banger? I know
> everyone will say get a K&N, exhaust, but I mean real power, as in
> what electric fan would be good? and does anyone make underdrive
> pulleys for this sucker? Oh and I've looked in every truck magazine
> and website and NO ONE makes headers for a I6...whats up with that?
>
> -Kevin
>
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:46:40 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage

At 09:38 PM 4/16/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Stick with your stock fan and get a clutch for it.

I agree, however Stewart Components has a different idea...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stewartcomponents.com/index.html

Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger

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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:55:43 -0400
From: flagship worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage

I've always been told that a good four barrel will give you better gas
mileage as long as you keep your foot out of the secondaries. I think
swapping for the smaller two barrel would be a mistake. Others may have
better information.

Lingus0169

aol.com wrote:
>
> from what i heard, the 302 stock doesnt have a whole lot on the 300 six
> banger stock, this is what my brother said. but from the looks of the gas
> prices, dont bother putting in a 351, thats what i did, took out my 300 and
> swapped in a 351, wow, my gas milage dropped, and its only a 2bbl, i am
> looking for a smaller 2bbl, i have a motorcraft variable venturi e2tecca,2a1k
> 2 so if anyone out there has a smaller 2bbl and willing to trade, drop me a
> note thankx..as for the products for the 300, go to clifford performance.
> nick
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:05:32 -0500
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage

I don't think the problem is the 2 bbl carb, per se, I think it is the fact
that it is the juncky variable venturi carb. Even when they were new they
were not that great. If you do not have to worry about emmisions checks,
I'd say go with the small standard 2 bbl carb from the same engine a few
years earlier.

At 16-04-00 21:55, you wrote:
>I've always been told that a good four barrel will give you better gas
>mileage as long as you keep your foot out of the secondaries. I think
>swapping for the smaller two barrel would be a mistake. Others may have
>better information.
>
>
>
>
>Lingus0169

aol.com wrote:
> >
> > from what i heard, the 302 stock doesnt have a whole lot on the 300 six
> > banger stock, this is what my brother said. but from the looks of the gas
> > prices, dont bother putting in a 351, thats what i did, took out my 300 and
> > swapped in a 351, wow, my gas milage dropped, and its only a 2bbl, i am
> > looking for a smaller 2bbl, i have a motorcraft variable venturi
> e2tecca,2a1k
> > 2 so if anyone out there has a smaller 2bbl and willing to trade,
> drop me a
> > note thankx..as for the products for the 300, go to clifford performance.
> > nick
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:04:39 EDT
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage

In a message dated 4/16/00 6:34:17 PM, listar

ford-trucks.com writes:

< < so yah, any ideas on getting power out of a `95 six banger? > >

see www.cliffordperformance.com, motto is 6=8

Alan
'82 F-150

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Zachary Colvin yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage

Kevin, check out clifford performance. They make
performance parts for inline engines. Their website
is at www.cliffordperformance.com

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From: "Vic Erwin" webdigs.com>
Subject: roller cam /Re: 347 stroker
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:38:22 -0500

You can do a hydraulic roller conversion, but you have to
get a custom cam because the lifters sit lower in the block.
Unless they've come out with some new lifters, I don't think
a Mustang hyd. roller cam will work in a non-roller block.
I'd definitely consider a conversion and use a custom cam if
its affordable enough.

-Vic

>I know a guy
>that just installed the Ford Racing roller kit in a 69 351
and he's
>loving it. If you've got the motor down that far, why not
spend a
>'little' extra and free up a few horses with a roller cam?

>> After thinking about recommending the Mustang cam, aren't
>> truck blocks non-roller blocks? If so it won't work.

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From: "Vic Erwin" webdigs.com>
Subject: Re: 5.8l Transplant and 347 Stroker
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:45:51 -0500

I think they're the same as the last 351w's were available.
95/96? Right before the current body style.

On my truck the swap should go pretty easy. I'll just have
to figure out what the motor comes with and what my truck
doesn't have that a 351 model should have. From what I can
tell, it'll be adapting the EFI to the 351 fuel rails, the
accessories and brackets, headers and a 351 speed density
computer.

-Vic

>I've seen that ad and am wondering what truck that came out
of. The ad said
>it was a fairly late model ('97?), after the new body style
F-150's were
>introduced. I thought the 351 was dumped with the new body
style trucks? Do
>they have computer harness to work with this late of
engine? I know that the
>Motorsports catalog shows harnesses for the 5.0 engine.
This would be really
>sweet for an upgrade, but it must be a formidable job with
all the smog
>plumbing (?).

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From: Brandon Wright communitytectonics.com>
Subject: Duplicolor Liquid Bedliner
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:43:05 -0400

I finally got around to painting on that Duplicolor bed liner on this past
Sunday. After I took EVERYTHING (toolboxes, air compressor, headache
rack,12yrs of dirt, etc.) out of the bed, we (Phil, Aaron, & myself) started
sanding (and drinking). I used the scuffing pad (provided in the kit) and
some coarse steel wool to remove the shine and rust off the bed. After that
I blew the dust out and cleaned all the surfaces with acetone. The paint
rolled on easy and dried quickly (dry to the touch in about 2hrs). There
were a few spots I missed (may have had a few too many) that were caught
with the second coat. I'm probably going to buy a pint of this stuff for
touchups and maybe the fender wells. I'll let everyone know how it holds
up. As of now I'm fairly impressed (for $35.00 at Wal-mart you can't go
wrong).
Brandon
P.S. I put the liner on a 1988 F150 SWB.

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From: "Strattcat" hotmail.com>
Subject: bronco tailgate
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:15:36 -0400

Thanks alot to you all,I have it going now ,thanks to the advice here,I will be back,catch you later.

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:44:04 -0500
Subject: Electric fan problem
From: Robert M Sands juno.com>

I apologize for the non truck vehicle post, but I'm running out of ideas.

I'm experiencing problems with the cooling fan on an 86 Tempo.
I have done the following :

replaced fan motor
the switch in the thermostat housing is good
fan relay is good

I checked the voltage at fan connector with the switch in the t-stat
housing in the closed position, and there is approx. 8volts.

I'm at a loss, is there a fusible link blown somewhere ? Any help would
be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:21:52 -0700
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:41:31 EDT
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:37:51 -0700
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From: FLR150

aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:41:51 EDT
Subject: Re: 347 stroker

In a message dated 4/14/00 10:41:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vic

webdigs.com
writes:

<< After thinking about recommending the Mustang cam, aren't
truck blocks non-roller blocks? If so it won't work.
>>
Be to differ. After 1994, all the "truck"(no such thing) blocks were rollers.
My 1994 5.0 block is a roller. And besides, he can get a new 351 short block
from Gene Evans Ford here in Atlanta for $1800. Put heads, a cam, and some
good fuel to it and he would be making power than the 347 would.
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck

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From: FLR150

aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:45:48 EDT
Subject: Re: 347 stroker

In a message dated 4/14/00 10:41:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vic

webdigs.com
writes:

<< I'll dress the front with the correct accessory
brackets, adapt the EFI and use a 351 speed density
computer >>
And why in he heck would you want to go SD? When you can get a massair
computer for it and have that much more adaptability later. Unless you plan
on running the Accel DFI or similar setup,(another $3+k).
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck

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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Re: spark plugs for MSD
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:54:35 -0600

On Saturday's listing DK wrote:

i was wondering what gap you guys with msd coils are running. i
recently put
on a msd coil on my 89 f-150 302 and will have the ford motosport
ignition
wires on as soon as i get to the local carquest to get some
dielectric
grease, but with the extra voltage should i open up the gap bigger
or leave
it as it is? i just put in new plugs aboout 10,000 miles ago at a
stock .44
gap, can i open it up to .55 or just .50 or what are some of you
guys
running?

I would just keep the factory gap with the set-up you are running. You
will/should be getting more energy to the plugs. What wire set did you get.
the Blue or the Red set?
Dielectric grease is good stuff, when applied correctly it keeps the energy
channel in the path you want it to go - the spark plug. I have used it on
the vane of the rotor near the conductor, thinking it will help avoid any
stray ionization from cross-firing. I usually use a Q-tip to apply the
stuff. If you are getting the stuff we sell, that little container will have
a lifetime supply, unless you are dealing with a large fleet of vehicles. Of
course if you are like me, you will misplace the container, and will end up
buying another later on... I think the marketing people count on that...

Phred KD5AQB
1995 F-150 4X4, propane or gasoline fed 5.0L with 5 on the floor and another
stick next to it that brings exciting events into our lives.

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From: BanksRVA

aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:56:12 EDT
Subject: Re: MSD

I have been reading alot about the MSD. Is it really worth it? If so, I have
an 82 with a 300 and an 82 351W. Which model units should I use?
Joe

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From: "Jeff Fairbairn" cyberus.ca>
Subject: Radius arm bushing
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:04:22 -0400

I have to replace the radius arm bushings in my '96 F-150 4x4. Has anyone
gone to the polyurethane ones or the Ford factory replacements better?

Jeff

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:20:24 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Radius arm bushing

At 05:04 PM 4/17/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I have to replace the radius arm bushings in my '96 F-150 4x4. Has anyone
>gone to the polyurethane ones or the Ford factory replacements better?

If the ones for the truck are like the ones for the Mustang/Falcons be prepared
for squeeks. Unless you go the graphite impregnated for the extra cost. I
think
I'll go back to Ford rubber on my shakle bushings. The noise drives me nuts!

Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1964 Falcon Sprint

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From: slikness

mindspring.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:07:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Engine Swappage

Yes you can calculate the hp it takes to move an electric fan and I would have to dig through my files and look it up. If it takes 18 amps to run the fan then when the fans are running, you are only using a maximum of 2 HP. Most of the time the fans will only run when you're idling through town. You will gain 15-20 hp by running electric fans over the stock fan without the fan clutch. The fan clutch will help some, but you will also save a lot of wear and tear on your water pump without having all the extra wieght hanging off the end of the pump bearing.

Slik

===================
... And how does an electric fan mean power? Ok, so the
engine won't have to turn the fan, get a clutch for it. I remember going through this with someone on one of my lists, you can calculate the power the alternator pulls from the engine in trying to turn the fan, vs. the power used to turn the fan connected to the water pump. The difference was almost nill. They [electric fans] have disadvantages too. At highway speeds, they can acually reduce the amount of air going through the radiator. Stick with your stock fan and get a clutch for it.

- Mark Reimers KB9ODG
======================

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