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80-96-list Digest Sun, 02 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 052

In This Issue:
Re: Idle Speed Motor
Re: Knocking and codes
Re: Idle Speed Motor
Re: Idle Speed Motor
Still want info on taking control of TC Lockup!!!
Fuel Pump Runs Constantly??
My lift kit
Re: Fuel Pump Runs Constantly??
Re: Knocking and codes
Re: ADMIN: CustomAuto
Re: ADMIN: CustomAuto
Computer Wire Harness (Extra plug?)
Re: Oil
Mystery Plug solved, but...
Re: Idle Speed Motor

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From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:14:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Idle Speed Motor

> >Chuckster, all you have to do is disconnect while running. It should
> >idle down a little.
>
> Thanks Danny!!
> I did disconnect it yesterday, more out of curiosity than anything else
> and it made not a bit of difference. Of course since then I have found
> out that my computer may not be working so there would be no difference
> in that case.
> I did get hold of another scanner today to run a second check on the
> computer but things ain't lookin good :-(

Chuck, I read what the mechanic told you and the ECM might be
trashed but something to think about: one *very* experienced
Ford/Lincoln tech I used to talk with said he's replaced about 3-4
Ford ECMs in the last 5-10 years. That low number comes from
what he says is a very reliable computer by Ford and the known
fact that less experienced techs just replace the thing to eliminate
it from the equation w/o tracing the real problem. This guy was
pretty anal about finding causes instead of following the usual
process of elimination method.

It sounds like your computer isn't doing a damn thing.
Power/ground/connection tracing seems relevant here. You might
have to get the Ford manual if you really want to track this down(a
Haynes/Chilton will be worthless here).

For example, read what Wayne mentions in his post...replaced 3
ECMs and didn't cure a thing.


Danny
fitz011 ev1.net

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From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:30:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Knocking and codes

> Well for the last 2 months I have been fighting a detonation problem of HUGE
> proportions. It will detonate on me without the chip in and of course not on
> the nitrous, crazy not stupid. But to run down all I have done, I have tried
> 3 different ECM's and I have changed the ICM. The codes it continues to throw
> are
> 213-SPOUT circuit open-but the funny part is, when I pull the spout, the
> motor will idle down and it drops the timing about 4 degrees, put the plug
> back in, it advances the timing back up 4 degrees and idles the motor back
> up....hmmm sounds like its working to me, THEN WHY THE CODE?
> 225 Knock sensor signal not detected during Dynamic Response test-
> I have changed the knock sensor, checked the voltage at the pins from the
> PCM, checked the voltage at the sensor plug itself.
> I have come to my wits end here. I am hoping this will get to a Ford tech on
> either if these lists or someone just lurking that knows of a way to help me.
> To all of you guys that have tried to help me already, thanks again. If you
> have anymore things for me to try, email me so I can try that too.
> Later,

Well, Wayne you sound like you know better than this but are you
erasing stored codes?
Danny
fitz011 ev1.net

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Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:19:32 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Idle Speed Motor

At 02:14 PM 4/2/00 -0500, you wrote:
>It sounds like your computer isn't doing a damn thing.
>Power/ground/connection tracing seems relevant here.

Danny,
Well, I thought that I would at least do a contiuity on the
STI connector to make sure the wires still go from one
end to the other and I have continuity there. However,
while checking for the pin locations for the other test
connector I saw a note that said "Do not use a DVOM"
to probe the ECM connector otherwise the connector will
be ruined'". "Use a breakout connector". This information
comes from Alldata.
Alldata does cannot find the work breakout connector on
it's search engine...What the hell is a breakout connector
and where do I find one.
A dumb question, this next one: Is a Volt/Ohm Meter the
same as a DVOM? Or can I use my V/O Meter to continue
tracking down possibilities with the worry of screwing up the
ECM connector?
As always a big thanks to ya'll



Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger


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Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:43:59 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Idle Speed Motor

At 02:19 PM 4/2/00 -0700, you wrote:
>...What the hell is a breakout connector
>and where do I find one.

Correction....that is supposed to be Breakout Box
Chuck


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From: "Dave Harmier" pdq.net>
Subject: Still want info on taking control of TC Lockup!!!
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:23:19 -0500

I am starting to believe that everything the E4OD behind my 7.3 is doing
wrong is TC related.
If I can toggle switch it out of service, it would tell the story.
Please????

Dave H.
90 F-350 Crew LB 7.3 (the Beast)
91 F-150 SC LB 5.8 (Dads)
92 F-150 SC SB 5.0 (My work truck til all bugs worked out of the Beast-
then Sisters)



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From: AWood70928 aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:58:56 EDT
Subject: Fuel Pump Runs Constantly??

My 87 Bronco has developed a problem I could use some help on. It seems that
the frame rail mounted fuel pump wont shut off. It runs constantly. I've
disconnected the battery to stop it from running but any ideas on where to
start? Looking at the wiring diagrams I was thinking maybe the ignition
switch? But I don't seem to have power to anything else with the key off
(except things that don't go through the ignition switch like lights and
such), and the wipers don't work with the key off. All I know is that the
fuel pump relay is energized constantly. Maybe the relay? Stuck closed?
But it seems that even of it was, there would not be power to the pumps with
the ignition switch off. It's a new relay, replaced about two months ago.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Al
87 Bronco 300 I6

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From: "Nelson Vasconcelos" mindspring.com>
Subject: My lift kit
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:57:20 -0400

Hi Guys,
I've decided to go with a Skyjacker Class II 4" lift kit for my 1989
Ford F150 4x4 short bed. Has anyone had experience with this or any other
lift for a similar truck. How was the install, ride, handling on/off road. I
want to get this lift right the first time.

Thanks,

Nelson


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From: SlamedF150 aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:03:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump Runs Constantly??

tis prob ur relay by the air box....eh

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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:44:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Knocking and codes

In a message dated 4/2/00 3:37:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fitz011 ev1.net
writes:

<< Well, Wayne you sound like you know better than this but are you
erasing stored codes? >>
Yes I am erasing the old codes. I have the digital Actron scanner. It will
erase the codes automatically when prompted.
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 04:45:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Kudulis excite.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: CustomAuto

Ken,
Did you check this site out? The only trucks you can "dress" are the new
ones. I guess they consider our trucks obsolete.
Jim


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Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 23:43:37 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: CustomAuto

At 04:45 AM 4/2/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Ken,
>Did you check this site out? The only trucks you can "dress" are the new
>ones. I guess they consider our trucks obsolete.
>Jim

They told me that their adding vehicles as fast as they can, starting with the biggest markets first.

Ken



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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 07:24:30 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Computer Wire Harness (Extra plug?)

Before unplugging and removing the computer from the truck, I
noticed an extra plug bundled in the same harness. It looks like
it may be a (4pin) plug for some other device inside the cab but I
don't know. I checked to see if it would plug into the computer
someplace but there was no spot for it. It's a white plastic female
receptacle and I think it has four pins. Any one know what that
might be for?
Thanks,
Chuck
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1964 Falcon Sprint
1986 F150 six banger (Hers)


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From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Oil
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:15:20 -0500


>Why not use synthetic in a new engine? What does oil type have to do with
>rings "seating" (whatever that means)?

>How do you explain engines that come from the factory with synthetic in
>them like the Corvette? (Mobil 1)

first of all if you don't know what ring seating is then i wouldn't recommend
running synthetic from the start.
there are rings around the pistons that have to seat or you will have compression and oil burning problem in later miles on the engine or from the start.
synthetics sometimes don't let the rings seat evenly and flush
while the regualr oils have been doing it for years(perfectly)

another thing is.NEW cars and trucks especially corvettes are HEAVILY
ENGINEERED from the factory they are built to use that kind of oil.
some mercedez engines dont even have piston rings because they are so heavily
engineered.
so my dad,grandad...
used regular oil and so will I.
on my 1984 351W.
because if it ain't broke don't fix it. and also there are some Toyota LandCruisers
70's models that have the straight sixes that are running over 450,000 miles
with regualr maintenece on regualr oils.

AND did you know that some new cars escpecially hi-po corvettes(rattly trap)
eat oil when they get older. bu the customers usually don't know hot to check the oil so when they take it in to get the oil changed it is low but they just change it and fill it up again.
we have a 1996 Chevy impalaSS
with the LS1(I know.I know this is a ford list)
but we have been running regualr oil in it and it has 80,000 on it with no oil problems.



thanks,
Joel Thomas



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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:30:34 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Mystery Plug solved, but...

I found that the four pin receptace plug that I found is the
EEC Power Relay. But, it does not plug into anything!
The place that the diagrams show that it goes is occupied
by an empty, white plactic receptacle. The mystery connector
will fit into it.
Is this EEC Power Relay a closed loop type affair that does not
actually plug into anything? Is it that it does not need to plug
into anything?
Those of you with an 86, 300 cu in, if your aware of what it
is I'm talking about, please respond. Otherwise I just may go
out of my friggen mind trying to bring this whole mess together.
Thank you,
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1964 Falcon Sprint
1986 F150 six banger (Hers)


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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:48:37 EDT
Subject: Re: Idle Speed Motor

In a message dated 4/2/00 3:21:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fitz011ev1.net
writes:

<< For example, read what Wayne mentions in his post...replaced 3
ECMs and didn't cure a thing.
>>
You got that right. I am still tracking these gremlins. I have also changed
the TFI/ICM module. Still no luck. Next I am gonna pull my distributor apart
as the main ignition system ground ends at the distributor. Be playing
electrician until I find this irritating POS break or short in the wiring.
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck

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